Anonymous
06/22/2023 10:28
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The inevitability grows stronger by the day!!!!
You know nato members are pushing for the Ukraine to be admitted to NATO. Plan is to incorporate them in to NATO by the end of the year.
Everyone agrees that NATO inclusion will only happen after the armed conflict. Everyone agrees the armed conflict will stagger along until at least 2024.
So I'll go out on a limb and say that you're very wrong.
President joe biden was blunt this month about Ukraine’s chances of joining nato. “I’m not going to make it easier,” he declared. Despite its bold fight against Russia, the country still has to prove itself: “Does it meet all the standards every other nation in nato does?” Joining the alliance, he insisted, “is not automatic”.
America thus finds itself unusually isolated in the transatlantic alliance it founded and that it has long dominated. It is the indispensable supporter of Ukraine’s war, providing the lion’s share of military aid (see chart). Yet it is now the most reluctant of the allies to admit Ukraine to nato.
https://www.economist.com/international/2023/06/21/nato-is-agonising-over-whether-to-let-ukraine-join
Biden isn’t as big of an idiot as people claim
He’s doing what he’s supposed to do - slow walk this conflict to bleed Russians
If ukr even has a sniff towards “breakout” into nato, Russia will nuke multiple Ukrainian cities.
I’m not Russian, I don’t really like eastern euros as a whole and think the eu has been weakened by expansion (im excited about the new Atlantic working group within the eu — Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark).
But Russia is not lying when they feel this is civilizational for them.
Biden deep down knows this hence why he has to balance between pushing matiriel but then walk back support at certain times
NP. I agree with this. I think the US is making the same mistake that it’s made since Vietnam: not understanding fully, or being wholly wrong about the enemy’s reasons for sending its sons to die & also believing technology (and PowerPoint) can win wars aka “the bomber will always get through”; surely if we provide our proxies with enough cool stuff they’ll easily win (in this case much of the cool stuff is actually decades old, previous generation equipment that was already mothballed).
As Russia drags this war on and on, it may come to pass that Ukrainians start to ask if Ukrainian victory is so important to the US, why is American soldiers’ blood not being spilled for our independence.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 10:09
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Complete nonsense on this thread lately.
The Ukrainian counteroffensive is struggling. Yes, I hope everyone expected that. It doesn't mean the war is over. It doesn't mean Ukraine has to accept a peace treaty and give all those occupied lands to Russia.
It means the conflict will drag into next year, and possibly 2025. Just like intelligence services of every NATO country warned about. We knew. But the media always wants quick resolutions, and therefore is chomping at the bit. Don't fall for it. We're in this for the long-term.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 10:00
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Zelensky the billionaire will live outside of the Ukraine for the rest of his life.
Bookmark this.
I believe Zelensky is a dual-citizen
Yeah he has implicit dual-citizenship along with many others in our government
Probably shares a citizenship with all the posters complaining about "bots."
Anonymous
06/22/2023 09:53
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Zelensky the billionaire will live outside of the Ukraine for the rest of his life.
Bookmark this.
I believe Zelensky is a dual-citizen
Yeah he has implicit dual-citizenship along with many others in our government
And a very nice villa in Italy to which he can retreat.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 09:53
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The inevitability grows stronger by the day!!!!
You know nato members are pushing for the Ukraine to be admitted to NATO. Plan is to incorporate them in to NATO by the end of the year.
Everyone agrees that NATO inclusion will only happen after the armed conflict. Everyone agrees the armed conflict will stagger along until at least 2024.
So I'll go out on a limb and say that you're very wrong.
President joe biden was blunt this month about Ukraine’s chances of joining nato. “I’m not going to make it easier,” he declared. Despite its bold fight against Russia, the country still has to prove itself: “Does it meet all the standards every other nation in nato does?” Joining the alliance, he insisted, “is not automatic”.
America thus finds itself unusually isolated in the transatlantic alliance it founded and that it has long dominated. It is the indispensable supporter of Ukraine’s war, providing the lion’s share of military aid (see chart). Yet it is now the most reluctant of the allies to admit Ukraine to nato.
https://www.economist.com/international/2023/06/21/nato-is-agonising-over-whether-to-let-ukraine-join
Biden isn’t as big of an idiot as people claim
He’s doing what he’s supposed to do - slow walk this conflict to bleed Russians
If ukr even has a sniff towards “breakout” into nato, Russia will nuke multiple Ukrainian cities.
I’m not Russian, I don’t really like eastern euros as a whole and think the eu has been weakened by expansion (im excited about the new Atlantic working group within the eu — Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark).
But Russia is not lying when they feel this is civilizational for them.
Biden deep down knows this hence why he has to balance between pushing matiriel but then walk back support at certain times
Anonymous
06/22/2023 09:51
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
still waiting for this to end...unfortunately no end in sight
Anonymous
06/22/2023 09:49
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Zelensky the billionaire will live outside of the Ukraine for the rest of his life.
Bookmark this.
I believe Zelensky is a dual-citizen
Yeah he has implicit dual-citizenship along with many others in our government
Anonymous
06/22/2023 09:49
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The inevitability grows stronger by the day!!!!
You know nato members are pushing for the Ukraine to be admitted to NATO. Plan is to incorporate them in to NATO by the end of the year.
Everyone agrees that NATO inclusion will only happen after the armed conflict. Everyone agrees the armed conflict will stagger along until at least 2024.
So I'll go out on a limb and say that you're very wrong.
President joe biden was blunt this month about Ukraine’s chances of joining nato. “I’m not going to make it easier,” he declared. Despite its bold fight against Russia, the country still has to prove itself: “Does it meet all the standards every other nation in nato does?” Joining the alliance, he insisted, “is not automatic”.
America thus finds itself unusually isolated in the transatlantic alliance it founded and that it has long dominated. It is the indispensable supporter of Ukraine’s war, providing the lion’s share of military aid (see chart). Yet it is now the most reluctant of the allies to admit Ukraine to nato.
https://www.economist.com/international/2023/06/21/nato-is-agonising-over-whether-to-let-ukraine-join
Anonymous
06/22/2023 09:47
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Counter offensive is effectively over.
Whitehouse has a never ending money tree by depreciating all equipment to zero, retrospectively.
YOU, the us and European taxpayer are paying for this nonsensical war over a border region between Russia and a country with negligible history as an independent country in the last two hundred years.
Someone is making money/ who do you think?
Wow. Sure sounds like you are ambivalent about all this. Wonder why? Maybe because you’re a Russian propaganda bot or paid shill trying to lower overall morale. Putin’s admitted he wants to drag this out because he believes the west will get tired of it and move on.
You’d love that, wouldntcha? Imagine all the grain and the access to the Black Sea, etc Russia would gain from taking over Ukraine. Of course, you “just want peace” and “they’re all Russian speaking people anyway”. It’s not that you’re a sniveling coward or a shill or bot, but that you’re a peace monger simply interested in what’s best for everyone.
It is strictly verboten to be ambivalent about all this. Only one point of view is allowed. It is not censorship at all, it is simply that only one point of view is correct. Therefore everything else is verboten.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 09:42
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
There are so many bots posting nonsensical Russian propaganda on this thread it should probably be shut down.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 09:40
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Counter offensive is effectively over.
Whitehouse has a never ending money tree by depreciating all equipment to zero, retrospectively.
YOU, the us and European taxpayer are paying for this nonsensical war over a border region between Russia and a country with negligible history as an independent country in the last two hundred years.
Someone is making money/ who do you think?
Wow. Sure sounds like you are ambivalent about all this. Wonder why? Maybe because you’re a Russian propaganda bot or paid shill trying to lower overall morale. Putin’s admitted he wants to drag this out because he believes the west will get tired of it and move on.
You’d love that, wouldntcha? Imagine all the grain and the access to the Black Sea, etc Russia would gain from taking over Ukraine. Of course, you “just want peace” and “they’re all Russian speaking people anyway”. It’s not that you’re a sniveling coward or a shill or bot, but that you’re a peace monger simply interested in what’s best for everyone.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 09:37
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Vlad and Igor are busy on DCUM this morning. Must have been a rough day for the Russian army 😆
Anonymous
06/22/2023 09:35
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:A post-mortem of sort from ZeRada:
"Complete absence of surprise effect. The APU went where they were expected. Why the h*** did the speakers of the OP announce an offensive there in six months? The question is open.
2️⃣Mistakes in the general planning of the operation. Kharkov relaxed. The command expected that the battle of the Sea of Azov would be the same easy walk. There are no tactical surprises at all‼️
3️⃣Underestimation of the engineer-sapper training of the enemy. Conspiracy theorists even wrote that the Russian Armed Forces carried out mining covertly. This, of course, is nonsense. It’s just that even theoretically SUCH total mining was not calculated, although the Tsar trench was visible even from space.
4️⃣The RF Armed Forces were able to produce and accumulate a sufficient amount of guided weapons, both ground and air based. The equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that passed the first minefields was met by Kornets and their counterparts.
5️⃣Echeloned EW front cover by the defenders. Combined-arms systems are also operating, and, which was completely unexpected, trench EW of the RF Armed Forces, which were not often seen before. The Armed Forces of Ukraine faced a loss of communication during the offensive, and FPV drones were ineffective.
6️⃣Massive use of guided bombs. Even at the stage of preparing the offensive, the Aerospace Forces knocked out warehouses and accumulations of equipment with UABs and KABs, preventing them from concentrating normally for a full-fledged strike. Residents of Berdyansk and Primorsk say that after the start of the Sushka offensive, they began to fly even more often. The Aerospace Forces do not spare for the key targets of planning bombs.
7️⃣ Alligators. Ka-52 are back in the game. Since the beginning of the great war, they have been written off by drone aficionados. But during the offensive, they were able to fully cover their troops, as if in a shooting range, knocking out the armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with impunity. Arestovich's stories about 6 downed Alligats are not confirmed by anything at all, except for his and Malyar's statements.
8️⃣Deficiency of air defense. A couple of months before the start of the offensive, the command of the Russian Federation declared the main priority of the radar and air defense systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. During this time, they managed to knock out a large number of complexes and their components. Therefore, when the offensive began, the infantry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on the contrary, was left without cover. During the Battle of the Sea of Azov, not a single helicopter was shot down.
9️⃣ The human factor. One and a half years of war are beginning to affect the quality of personnel. Mariupol and Bakhmut, Lisichansk and Severodonetsk, Marinka and Vuhledar - the Armed Forces of Ukraine have lost a huge number of military personnel, volunteers and ideological fighters. Tankers and attack aircraft, even trained in the West, but consisting of mobilized citizens simply do not want to die. They sometimes break and abandon equipment (as the world press wrote about), refuse to follow orders.
Any subsequent offensive actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine MUST take into account the above factors. Otherwise, this will continue to be not an offensive, but the destruction of our own troops."
Reposting Russian propagandist telegram channels?
Anonymous
06/22/2023 09:33
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Zelensky the billionaire will live outside of the Ukraine for the rest of his life.
Bookmark this.
I believe Zelensky is a dual-citizen
Anonymous
06/22/2023 08:12
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
A post-mortem of sort from ZeRada:
"Complete absence of surprise effect. The APU went where they were expected. Why the h*** did the speakers of the OP announce an offensive there in six months? The question is open.
2️⃣Mistakes in the general planning of the operation. Kharkov relaxed. The command expected that the battle of the Sea of Azov would be the same easy walk. There are no tactical surprises at all‼️
3️⃣Underestimation of the engineer-sapper training of the enemy. Conspiracy theorists even wrote that the Russian Armed Forces carried out mining covertly. This, of course, is nonsense. It’s just that even theoretically SUCH total mining was not calculated, although the Tsar trench was visible even from space.
4️⃣The RF Armed Forces were able to produce and accumulate a sufficient amount of guided weapons, both ground and air based. The equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that passed the first minefields was met by Kornets and their counterparts.
5️⃣Echeloned EW front cover by the defenders. Combined-arms systems are also operating, and, which was completely unexpected, trench EW of the RF Armed Forces, which were not often seen before. The Armed Forces of Ukraine faced a loss of communication during the offensive, and FPV drones were ineffective.
6️⃣Massive use of guided bombs. Even at the stage of preparing the offensive, the Aerospace Forces knocked out warehouses and accumulations of equipment with UABs and KABs, preventing them from concentrating normally for a full-fledged strike. Residents of Berdyansk and Primorsk say that after the start of the Sushka offensive, they began to fly even more often. The Aerospace Forces do not spare for the key targets of planning bombs.
7️⃣ Alligators. Ka-52 are back in the game. Since the beginning of the great war, they have been written off by drone aficionados. But during the offensive, they were able to fully cover their troops, as if in a shooting range, knocking out the armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with impunity. Arestovich's stories about 6 downed Alligats are not confirmed by anything at all, except for his and Malyar's statements.
8️⃣Deficiency of air defense. A couple of months before the start of the offensive, the command of the Russian Federation declared the main priority of the radar and air defense systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. During this time, they managed to knock out a large number of complexes and their components. Therefore, when the offensive began, the infantry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on the contrary, was left without cover. During the Battle of the Sea of Azov, not a single helicopter was shot down.
9️⃣ The human factor. One and a half years of war are beginning to affect the quality of personnel. Mariupol and Bakhmut, Lisichansk and Severodonetsk, Marinka and Vuhledar - the Armed Forces of Ukraine have lost a huge number of military personnel, volunteers and ideological fighters. Tankers and attack aircraft, even trained in the West, but consisting of mobilized citizens simply do not want to die. They sometimes break and abandon equipment (as the world press wrote about), refuse to follow orders.
Any subsequent offensive actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine MUST take into account the above factors. Otherwise, this will continue to be not an offensive, but the destruction of our own troops."
"Complete absence of surprise effect. The APU went where they were expected. Why the h*** did the speakers of the OP announce an offensive there in six months? The question is open.
2️⃣Mistakes in the general planning of the operation. Kharkov relaxed. The command expected that the battle of the Sea of Azov would be the same easy walk. There are no tactical surprises at all‼️
3️⃣Underestimation of the engineer-sapper training of the enemy. Conspiracy theorists even wrote that the Russian Armed Forces carried out mining covertly. This, of course, is nonsense. It’s just that even theoretically SUCH total mining was not calculated, although the Tsar trench was visible even from space.
4️⃣The RF Armed Forces were able to produce and accumulate a sufficient amount of guided weapons, both ground and air based. The equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that passed the first minefields was met by Kornets and their counterparts.
5️⃣Echeloned EW front cover by the defenders. Combined-arms systems are also operating, and, which was completely unexpected, trench EW of the RF Armed Forces, which were not often seen before. The Armed Forces of Ukraine faced a loss of communication during the offensive, and FPV drones were ineffective.
6️⃣Massive use of guided bombs. Even at the stage of preparing the offensive, the Aerospace Forces knocked out warehouses and accumulations of equipment with UABs and KABs, preventing them from concentrating normally for a full-fledged strike. Residents of Berdyansk and Primorsk say that after the start of the Sushka offensive, they began to fly even more often. The Aerospace Forces do not spare for the key targets of planning bombs.
7️⃣ Alligators. Ka-52 are back in the game. Since the beginning of the great war, they have been written off by drone aficionados. But during the offensive, they were able to fully cover their troops, as if in a shooting range, knocking out the armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with impunity. Arestovich's stories about 6 downed Alligats are not confirmed by anything at all, except for his and Malyar's statements.
8️⃣Deficiency of air defense. A couple of months before the start of the offensive, the command of the Russian Federation declared the main priority of the radar and air defense systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. During this time, they managed to knock out a large number of complexes and their components. Therefore, when the offensive began, the infantry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on the contrary, was left without cover. During the Battle of the Sea of Azov, not a single helicopter was shot down.
9️⃣ The human factor. One and a half years of war are beginning to affect the quality of personnel. Mariupol and Bakhmut, Lisichansk and Severodonetsk, Marinka and Vuhledar - the Armed Forces of Ukraine have lost a huge number of military personnel, volunteers and ideological fighters. Tankers and attack aircraft, even trained in the West, but consisting of mobilized citizens simply do not want to die. They sometimes break and abandon equipment (as the world press wrote about), refuse to follow orders.
Any subsequent offensive actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine MUST take into account the above factors. Otherwise, this will continue to be not an offensive, but the destruction of our own troops."