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Anonymous wrote:http://www.chicagonow.com/little-kids-big-city/2011/08/is-your-child-ready-for-first-grade-1979-edition/

Great list about what incoming 1st graders USED to be expected to do....much less academic, more more competent at life:

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"This book was first published in 1979, so I have to say it comes across as quite dated at times. So let's take a look, shall we? The idea here is that about 10 yesses out of this list of 12 would indicate readiness for 1st grade.

1. Will your child be six years, six months or older when he begins first grade and starts receiving reading instruction?

2. Does your child have two to five permanent or second teeth?

3. Can you child tell, in such a way that his speech is understood by a school crossing guard or policeman, where he lives?

4. Can he draw and color and stay within the lines of the design being colored?

5. Can he stand on one foot with eyes closed for five to ten seconds?

6. Can he ride a small two-wheeled bicycle without helper wheels?

7. Can he tell left hand from right?

8. Can he travel alone in the neighborhood (four to eight blocks) to store, school, playground, or to a friend's home?

9. Can he be away from you all day without being upset?

10. Can he repeat an eight- to ten-word sentence, if you say it once, as "The boy ran all the way home from the store"?

11. Can he count eight to ten pennies correctly?

12. Does your child try to write or copy letters or numbers?

Heavens to Betsy. And Common Core is so massively developmentally inappropriate and light years ahead of that. Let's see...

Count 8 to 10 pennies vs. Count to 20 in Common Core. Ummm.... nope, not really a leap

Try to write or copy letters or numbers vs. print many upper and lower case letters in Common Core. Umm.... nope, not really a leap there either

The stuff in Common Core is mostly what was expected of kids growing up in the 1960s and 1970s.

Total leap. But you understand little about childhood development, which you make clearer with every post.

The difference between 10 and 20 is huge. And they want kids reading out of Kindergarten.

The requirements have been shoved down more than a year -- anyone with half a brain can see that.

Um, EXCUSE ME?

Shoved more than a year? So you are saying kids shouldn't be able to count to 20 until 2nd grade????

That all they accomplish throughout 1st grade is getting from counting from 8-10 to counting to 20?

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS???

Oh, thank you yet again for demonstrating ALL THAT IS WRONG WITH EDUCATION THESE DAYS.

You just keep proving how fucked up the anti-CCers are, again and again, and again. You are single-handedly doing even more harm to the anti-CCers than even the pro-CCers could do.

So I thank you for that.

So that book is from 1979. Those were indeed the norms for ENTERING 1st grade.

I started school in 1966. Kindergarten was a half day. We learned the alphabet, the sounds they made. We learned our numbers up to 10 and the one to one correlation. We listened to story books, played games, went to the library, had music, recess.

In first grade we started Dick and Jane books, started working with adding and subtracting numbers up to 10.

Second grade we started adding and subtracting two digit numbers.

So yes, Common Core has absolutely shoved everything down a year.

It's a change for the worse, and that is borne out every day across the country. I was just talking to a mom today who told me her child now hates school because of the way Common Core math is taught.

Those are the facts.

If you actually read the standards, there's not a year difference.

You're wrong. Here's the K standard. Remember the 1979 standard said be familiar with 1 - 10.

CCSS.Math.Content.K.CC.B.5
Count to answer "how many?" questions about as many as 20 things arranged in a line, a rectangular array, or a circle, or as many as 10 things in a scattered configuration; given a number from 1-20, count out that many objects.

LMAO! Sorry, but it does not take an entire year to get from counting to 10 to counting to 20. Not even remotely.

Thanks for playing, try again soon.

Wow, you are a bit unhinged, aren't you?

Kindergarten wasn't even a requirement in many states until recently. So yes, all these kindergarten standards from Common Core today are first grade learning in the 50s, 60s and 70s.

And six states till don't require kindergarten:

http://thinkprogress.org/education/2014/02/26/3331631/day-kindergarten/


You may think that all students have equal access to kindergarten when they reach age five. Yet six states — Alaska, Idaho, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania — don’t have any law requiring school districts to provide any kindergarten at all, according to a report from the New America Education Policy Program.

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"Their kid hates school now because of the way Common Core math is taught" - as though that kid actually has any basis for comparison to how math was taught before Common Core. How does he know how math would have been taught before Common Core? HE WOULDN'T. HE NEVER HAD IT.

Please, spare us the "those are facts" nonsense.

This absolutely happened to my middle-schooler. They DO know the difference because one year they had the older curriculum and the next year a new "Common Core" aligned curriculum was brought in.

You are full of shit.

Full of shit, eh? As though there's "Common Core Curriculum" that is a canned script off that comes of the Common Core shelf to be presented by teachers. Sorry, NO... That ain't how it works. That isn't how teaching works AT ALL.

Yep, your are TOTALLY full of shit. And yes there are canned scripts to follow -- just look at NYEngage in New York, where teachers follow tightly scripted lessons to cram all the Common Core Standards in.

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Of course not all in the same day. It's the weekly schedule. What's your point?

You get my point. You just don't like it.

Of course not all in the same day. It's the weekly schedule. What's your point?

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The kindergarten schedule at my child's school (about 20% FARMS and 15% ESOL) shows music, art, science, social studies, centers, and PE, as well as a literacy block and a math block.

All in the same day? Impressive. And Doubtful.

The kindergarten schedule at my child's school (about 20% FARMS and 15% ESOL) shows music, art, science, social studies, centers, and PE, as well as a literacy block and a math block.

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Yes, of course. What is your point?

You obviously have not taught K with the current standards.

Yes, of course. What is your point?

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mean that there is no time in the day for a block center? Wow. How much time were the kids spending at the block center?

Have you been in a K class?

mean that there is no time in the day for a block center? Wow. How much time were the kids spending at the block center?

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Anonymous wrote:What is lost in K:

When I taught K, I had a block center. At the beginning of the year, the kids built their own separate towers. By the end of the year, they were working together to build elaborate cities. No more.


I don't understand. Because of the Common Core standards, it is no longer possible to have a block center? Or: Because of the Common Core standards, the students no longer work together to build elaborate cities? What am I missing?

Do you have the concept of time in a day?

Anonymous wrote:What is lost in K:

When I taught K, I had a block center. At the beginning of the year, the kids built their own separate towers. By the end of the year, they were working together to build elaborate cities. No more.


I don't understand. Because of the Common Core standards, it is no longer possible to have a block center? Or: Because of the Common Core standards, the students no longer work together to build elaborate cities? What am I missing?

Anonymous wrote:What is lost in K:

When I taught K, I had a block center. At the beginning of the year, the kids built their own separate towers. By the end of the year, they were working together to build elaborate cities. No more.

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There are curricula with canned scripts that are aligned to the Common Core standards. That's not a Common Core standards issue, though. Nothing in the Common Core standards requires a canned script.

Also, there are curricula with canned scripts that have nothing to do with the Common Core standards -- for example, see Direct Instruction, which started decades before the development of the Common Core.

Please go count the standards for each grade level. To cover all those standards leave almost no time for anything else. What a mess.