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Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

I can’t believe she’s able to give interviews at this point. I assume she is still in shock but she seems very composed on CNN. Just a tough time to be in the spotlight after losing her son.

I think it's ghastly for reporters to interview the next of kin so soon after a tragic death but viewers eat it up.

Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

I can’t believe she’s able to give interviews at this point. I assume she is still in shock but she seems very composed on CNN. Just a tough time to be in the spotlight after losing her son.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

CNN article/interview with the mother:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/world/christine-dawood-interview-titan-submersible-scli-intl/index.html

I find this choppy and poorly written. I do feel terrible for her and her family.

But I also heard this story on NPR this morning and can't help but think how much of a difference $500k would make to a family like this:

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184268046/migrant-dad-trying-to-help-his-ill-child-is-one-of-many-presume-dead-in-ship-sin

Yes it all feels so wasteful and tragic. All the money to get in the submersible, all the resources spent on the search effort and now to recover the wreckage, etc. The end result is five lives lost. All of those resources could have literally changed people’s lives who are suffering.

Well, I don't see it as money wasted. Underwater tourism was (and still is) unregulated sector. This incident will bring more regulations so it doesn't happen again.

I see it as money not well spent. Underwater tourism regulation is not how I would prefer tax dollars spent as opposed to things that actually help our citizens.

I just watched Deepsea Challenge, and Cameron lost 2 people to a helicopter crash on his big dive trip, and went ahead with a deep dive after a piece broke off his sub, because he didn't want to abort the mission.

Cameron talks hp safety, but also took some unnecessary risks.
So I'm slightly less convinced now that Cameron is the voice of reason vs Stockton Rush.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

CNN article/interview with the mother:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/world/christine-dawood-interview-titan-submersible-scli-intl/index.html

I find this choppy and poorly written. I do feel terrible for her and her family.

But I also heard this story on NPR this morning and can't help but think how much of a difference $500k would make to a family like this:

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184268046/migrant-dad-trying-to-help-his-ill-child-is-one-of-many-presume-dead-in-ship-sin

Yes it all feels so wasteful and tragic. All the money to get in the submersible, all the resources spent on the search effort and now to recover the wreckage, etc. The end result is five lives lost. All of those resources could have literally changed people’s lives who are suffering.

Well, I don't see it as money wasted. Underwater tourism was (and still is) unregulated sector. This incident will bring more regulations so it doesn't happen again.

It seems as though they got around the regulation issue, because it was in international waters, and because the craft was built in one country and launched from another. I wonder how those issues will be addressed.

Those are (and many more) the issues this incident will bubble up. The are many issues CEO bypassed - from poor engineering, regs, lack of testing...etc. Someone should be asking how this thing even hit the water to begin with??

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

CNN article/interview with the mother:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/world/christine-dawood-interview-titan-submersible-scli-intl/index.html

I find this choppy and poorly written. I do feel terrible for her and her family.

But I also heard this story on NPR this morning and can't help but think how much of a difference $500k would make to a family like this:

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184268046/migrant-dad-trying-to-help-his-ill-child-is-one-of-many-presume-dead-in-ship-sin

Yes it all feels so wasteful and tragic. All the money to get in the submersible, all the resources spent on the search effort and now to recover the wreckage, etc. The end result is five lives lost. All of those resources could have literally changed people’s lives who are suffering.

Well, I don't see it as money wasted. Underwater tourism was (and still is) unregulated sector. This incident will bring more regulations so it doesn't happen again.

It seems as though they got around the regulation issue, because it was in international waters, and because the craft was built in one country and launched from another. I wonder how those issues will be addressed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

CNN article/interview with the mother:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/world/christine-dawood-interview-titan-submersible-scli-intl/index.html

I find this choppy and poorly written. I do feel terrible for her and her family.

But I also heard this story on NPR this morning and can't help but think how much of a difference $500k would make to a family like this:

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184268046/migrant-dad-trying-to-help-his-ill-child-is-one-of-many-presume-dead-in-ship-sin

Yes it all feels so wasteful and tragic. All the money to get in the submersible, all the resources spent on the search effort and now to recover the wreckage, etc. The end result is five lives lost. All of those resources could have literally changed people’s lives who are suffering.

Well, I don't see it as money wasted. Underwater tourism was (and still is) unregulated sector. This incident will bring more regulations so it doesn't happen again.

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Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

CNN article/interview with the mother:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/world/christine-dawood-interview-titan-submersible-scli-intl/index.html

I find this choppy and poorly written. I do feel terrible for her and her family.

But I also heard this story on NPR this morning and can't help but think how much of a difference $500k would make to a family like this:

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184268046/migrant-dad-trying-to-help-his-ill-child-is-one-of-many-presume-dead-in-ship-sin

Yes it all feels so wasteful and tragic. All the money to get in the submersible, all the resources spent on the search effort and now to recover the wreckage, etc. The end result is five lives lost. All of those resources could have literally changed people’s lives who are suffering.

Well, the mother said the boy was very excited. In fact, when the couple had first signed up to go (pre-COVID) the boy was disappointed that he could not go because he was under 18. So, when he was now eligible, she have him her originally reserved seat.

That just shows posters should not go all in based on one anecdote (i.e. condemning the dad because the aunt said the boy did not want to go). Things in real life are nuanced people. There are no saints or villains.

My heart goes out to the woman. She did say that her husband and son were so happy when they said goodbye to her. Joking around and excited. That tells me in part, that the danger had not been presented clearly to them (or that it did not land). But, at least she could be comforted by remembering them in a happy state.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea why people feel compelled to explore life at the extremes like deep sea and space when we have an absolute miracle in front of us right here in the middle of the curve where humans are uniquely adapted to live.

That’s certainly one way to think of it, but I’m sure you enjoy air travel, driving a car, led lights, relatively inexpensive gasoline etc - all things that were made possible by crazed people pushing the limits and not taking no for an answer. I’m pretty risk averse, but I think that, along with intelligence, curiosity, opposable thumbs, and reliance on social communities, a certain amount of risk taking enabled humans to live in that “middle of the curve” that most of us enjoy.

And honestly, we are not actually “uniquely adapted” to live there. Take away our technology, our clothes, our electricity, our plumbing, our transportation and most of us would probably starve or die of exposure. We took risks, invented power grids, furnaces, air conditioning, Apple Watches, and here we are.

I think you mean here (?) and yes we are. We are uniquely adapted to live on Earth. Sure, not in extreme temperature regions and such, but we've been able to innovate and survive for ages because we're uniquely adapted (and belong) here.

Do you live in North America? Depending on the current theories, the reason people are here is because their ancestors took an enormous risk by either walking across a land bridge into the great unknown to escape the encroaching ice, or getting in a rickety boat across a vast ocean with no guarantee of ever seeing land again. For much of human history, taking enormous risks is part of living. Millions of women walk miles to get clean water, even today. The drive that made Polynesians traverse the ocean in canoes is the same drive that made the first cosmonauts climb into a rocket and made Jonas Salk try out his polio vaccine on his own son. We have vaccines and water filtration and satellites from risk taking that help us live comfortably, but can you imagine life without those? Wouldn’t be so comfortable.

I do live in North America and no--I can't really imagine life with all the amenities we have today but if the amenities were to suddenly vanish most of us would be fine. We'd just have to find other ways to keep surviving.

That said, there's no doubt that risks have afforded us the ability to live more comfortable lives. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "uniquely adapted" but what it means to me is that humans are able to live on this planet. We can breathe and exist here. Of course we need to find the right climate and adapt accordingly. And of course we need to find food and water. But we have the ability to live and thrive here. It's because of this unique adaptation that the great risk takers were able to focus on so many different things.
We are not uniquely adapted to living in space or living in water. We aren't "space creatures" or fish.

How is climbing into a submarine any different than getting into a steel tube, pumping it up full of air, then ascending to an altitude where the oxygen concentration is 5%? Flying at 35k feet is no different from space travel in that we can’t survive in either place. Whether the oxygen concentration is 5% or 0%, the result is the same. Depressurization would kill us.

Before commercial flying became safe, people experimented with pressurized suits and dared to dream of going up to an uninhabitable altitude.

I just think your perspective is narrow. People have always pushed the boundaries of what is possible and it doesn’t have to be your cup of tea, but the things we take for granted, like scuba diving and flying across the Atlantic, were once considered just as outlandish as getting in a deep sea submarine seems to you today. By the way, people have been diving as deep or deeper than the doomed sub since 1960.

Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

CNN article/interview with the mother:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/world/christine-dawood-interview-titan-submersible-scli-intl/index.html

I find this choppy and poorly written. I do feel terrible for her and her family.

But I also heard this story on NPR this morning and can't help but think how much of a difference $500k would make to a family like this:

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184268046/migrant-dad-trying-to-help-his-ill-child-is-one-of-many-presume-dead-in-ship-sin

The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

Rip idiots.

Sad for the kid.

(I’m no longer breaking the 48 hour rule)

It’s been 48 hours, just coming back to say the CEO was selfish and cocky, but I feel bad for everyone else. I feel like PH Nargolet should have known better, but I guess he wanted an adventure. How awful for the 19 year old!