Anonymous wrote:This is a good, if horrific, summary of all that is at stake with the striking down of Roe v Wade.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/05/opinion/election-abortion-roe-women.html

This isn’t hyperbole. Laws that privilege fetuses over those who carry them haven’t just relegated women to second-class citizenship, they have also led to the denial of lifesaving care in case after case. In‌ affidavits, Ohio health care providers reported having to comfort a sobbing cancer patient who was refused an abortion, and seeing at least three patients who threatened to commit suicide after being denied abortions.

In August, a woman in Texas who was denied an abortion for an unviable pregnancy ended up in the intensive care unit with sepsis. Another Texas woman, pregnant and in failing health, was recently told she shouldn’t come back unless she had a condition as severe as liver failure or stroke. A woman in Wisconsin was left bleeding for more than 10 days after an incomplete miscarriage just days after the Supreme Court’s decision; a doctor ‌in Texas was told not to treat an ectopic pregnancy until it ruptured.

And then there are the stories of women forced to endure doomed pregnancies. Nancy Davis, a mother of three in Louisiana, ‌was denied an abortion even though her fetus was missing part of its head. Chelsea Stovall in Arkansas, who was 19 weeks pregnant when she found out that her daughter wouldn’t survive, was also refused treatment. After traveling 400 miles to get an abortion, she told a local reporter, “I should be able to say goodbye to her where I want to.”

Those are just the adults. ‌This summer, Republicans insisted the story of a raped and pregnant 10-year-old in Ohio‌ was a hoax, and later tried to paint the girl’s experience as a tragic anomaly. In fact dozens of girls in Ohio 14 years old and under had abortions in 2021. In neighboring Kentucky, more than a dozen children aged 14 or younger had abortions last year; two 9-year-olds needed abortions in the past few years. These are victimized children who will now be forced to carry pregnancies, perilous for their small bodies, or leave their home state for care.

The impact of abortion bans goes far beyond horrific individual stories; they’ve had a cascading effect into countless areas of Americans’ lives. I spoke to a young woman struggling with infertility in Tennessee, for example, whose state representative told her that I.V.F. doctors could be prosecuted under the abortion ban there for discarding unused embryos (a common part of the I.V.F. process). “We just want to be parents,” she told me.

Abortion bans have also put birth control access in danger. For years, conservative legislators and organizations laid the groundwork to falsely characterize some forms of contraception as abortifacients. This distortion has already started to hurt women in states with abortion bans: Because of the law’s ambiguity in Missouri, a chain of hospitals there briefly stopped providing emergency contraception, with a spokesperson explaining, “We simply cannot put our clinicians in a position that might result in criminal prosecution.”

Republicans’ abortion laws have even led to a crisis in care in states where abortion is legal. Doctors are so overwhelmed with patients from other states that some clinics have weekslong waiting lists, which, along with the logistical hurdles out-of-state patients face, has led to later abortions — which Republicans claim to oppose. ‌

And on and on - I only quoted some of the piece, there's more horror included in it.

This dystopia is all on Republicans. Vote them out.

This isn’t hyperbole. Laws that privilege fetuses over those who carry them haven’t just relegated women to second-class citizenship, they have also led to the denial of lifesaving care in case after case. In‌ affidavits, Ohio health care providers reported having to comfort a sobbing cancer patient who was refused an abortion, and seeing at least three patients who threatened to commit suicide after being denied abortions.

In August, a woman in Texas who was denied an abortion for an unviable pregnancy ended up in the intensive care unit with sepsis. Another Texas woman, pregnant and in failing health, was recently told she shouldn’t come back unless she had a condition as severe as liver failure or stroke. A woman in Wisconsin was left bleeding for more than 10 days after an incomplete miscarriage just days after the Supreme Court’s decision; a doctor ‌in Texas was told not to treat an ectopic pregnancy until it ruptured.

And then there are the stories of women forced to endure doomed pregnancies. Nancy Davis, a mother of three in Louisiana, ‌was denied an abortion even though her fetus was missing part of its head. Chelsea Stovall in Arkansas, who was 19 weeks pregnant when she found out that her daughter wouldn’t survive, was also refused treatment. After traveling 400 miles to get an abortion, she told a local reporter, “I should be able to say goodbye to her where I want to.”

Those are just the adults. ‌This summer, Republicans insisted the story of a raped and pregnant 10-year-old in Ohio‌ was a hoax, and later tried to paint the girl’s experience as a tragic anomaly. In fact dozens of girls in Ohio 14 years old and under had abortions in 2021. In neighboring Kentucky, more than a dozen children aged 14 or younger had abortions last year; two 9-year-olds needed abortions in the past few years. These are victimized children who will now be forced to carry pregnancies, perilous for their small bodies, or leave their home state for care.

The impact of abortion bans goes far beyond horrific individual stories; they’ve had a cascading effect into countless areas of Americans’ lives. I spoke to a young woman struggling with infertility in Tennessee, for example, whose state representative told her that I.V.F. doctors could be prosecuted under the abortion ban there for discarding unused embryos (a common part of the I.V.F. process). “We just want to be parents,” she told me.

Abortion bans have also put birth control access in danger. For years, conservative legislators and organizations laid the groundwork to falsely characterize some forms of contraception as abortifacients. This distortion has already started to hurt women in states with abortion bans: Because of the law’s ambiguity in Missouri, a chain of hospitals there briefly stopped providing emergency contraception, with a spokesperson explaining, “We simply cannot put our clinicians in a position that might result in criminal prosecution.”

Republicans’ abortion laws have even led to a crisis in care in states where abortion is legal. Doctors are so overwhelmed with patients from other states that some clinics have weekslong waiting lists, which, along with the logistical hurdles out-of-state patients face, has led to later abortions — which Republicans claim to oppose. ‌

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GOP will have to start making babies in the lab because it is clear that both men and women are less and less excited about having children for many reasons.

In the meantime, Men can really help here by wearing a freaking condom. In most cases men are the ones refusing to wear protections. Most women in most circumstances will always opt for protections.

Again. For the cheap seats.
Choices are for men, not women.
Men get to choose.
Women must abide.


It’s the kernel of truth at that gooey center of this debate.

Anonymous wrote:GOP will have to start making babies in the lab because it is clear that both men and women are less and less excited about having children for many reasons.

In the meantime, Men can really help here by wearing a freaking condom. In most cases men are the ones refusing to wear protections. Most women in most circumstances will always opt for protections.

Anonymous wrote:GOP will have to start making babies in the lab because it is clear that both men and women are less and less excited about having children for many reasons.

In the meantime, Men can really help here by wearing a freaking condom. In most cases men are the ones refusing to wear protections. Most women in most circumstances will always opt for protections.

Anonymous wrote:Rural women have a hard enough time accessing OBGYN care as it is. This is a mess.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of what we write here matters.

There will be a Red Wave.

MAGA will get its wish from bounty hunting women to rape panels for 10 years old to the economy collapsing.

Trump will never be prosecuted nor one fake elector or the 147 house republicans that were and still are attempting a coup.

I am begging every one but MAGA to wake the hell up and get your ducks in a row because the US will not be fit for women, and minorities. Your life as you knew it is gone and we have MAGA Idiots to blame.

I do not say this lightly nor am I wrong. I wish I was.

We have Merrick Garland the lead law enforcer of the US protecting his cronies that is clear.

Trump is running 2024 and he will be reelected count on it. Not because the majority wants him because Republicans cheat.

What are you doing to get your ducks in a row? It feels like not much can be done.

Anonymous wrote:None of what we write here matters.

There will be a Red Wave.

MAGA will get its wish from bounty hunting women to rape panels for 10 years old to the economy collapsing.

Trump will never be prosecuted nor one fake elector or the 147 house republicans that were and still are attempting a coup.

I am begging every one but MAGA to wake the hell up and get your ducks in a row because the US will not be fit for women, and minorities. Your life as you knew it is gone and we have MAGA Idiots to blame.

I do not say this lightly nor am I wrong. I wish I was.

We have Merrick Garland the lead law enforcer of the US protecting his cronies that is clear.

Trump is running 2024 and he will be reelected count on it. Not because the majority wants him because Republicans cheat.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of what we write here matters.

There will be a Red Wave.

MAGA will get its wish from bounty hunting women to rape panels for 10 years old to the economy collapsing.

Trump will never be prosecuted nor one fake elector or the 147 house republicans that were and still are attempting a coup.

I am begging every one but MAGA to wake the hell up and get your ducks in a row because the US will not be fit for women, and minorities. Your life as you knew it is gone and we have MAGA Idiots to blame.

I do not say this lightly nor am I wrong. I wish I was.

We have Merrick Garland the lead law enforcer of the US protecting his cronies that is clear.

Trump is running 2024 and he will be reelected count on it. Not because the majority wants him because Republicans cheat.

I thought you must be exaggerating, rape panels, wut? So google says: https://democrats.org/news/maga-hot-mic-north-carolina-gop-house-candidate-bo-hines/

Anonymous wrote:None of what we write here matters.

There will be a Red Wave.

MAGA will get its wish from bounty hunting women to rape panels for 10 years old to the economy collapsing.

Trump will never be prosecuted nor one fake elector or the 147 house republicans that were and still are attempting a coup.

I am begging every one but MAGA to wake the hell up and get your ducks in a row because the US will not be fit for women, and minorities. Your life as you knew it is gone and we have MAGA Idiots to blame.

I do not say this lightly nor am I wrong. I wish I was.

We have Merrick Garland the lead law enforcer of the US protecting his cronies that is clear.

Trump is running 2024 and he will be reelected count on it. Not because the majority wants him because Republicans cheat.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rural women have a hard enough time accessing OBGYN care as it is. This is a mess.

The people they voted for are doing what they promised to do. Tots and pears

Anonymous wrote:Rural women have a hard enough time accessing OBGYN care as it is. This is a mess.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The LEPFP strikes again:

"But I didn't think they would eat MY face!"

This is a great message and I commend her for going public with it.

Yes, but WHY do these people have to actually experience these things in order to comprehend them? Have they no imagination? No empathy?