Anonymous
09/04/2021 12:09
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DCUM never, ever disappoints. Now taking aim at hikers as some kind of deranged obsessives. Pretty much the most innocuous activity that one can do.
Never change DCUMers!
Yes, 110 degree / 9 mile summer hikes on a mountain with a new born and a dog are totally innocuous activities. They all died.
Newborn? Who had a newborn?
NP, but are you purposely being dense? The baby was 9 months to a year old (have seen conflicting reports) but the point is that she was a baby. It is not a prudent or sensible idea to take a baby that age and a furry dog on a steep, challenging, 8-mile hike on a day where temperatures were supposed to go well above 100F. It’s just not, for a number of reasons. It’s certainly not an “innocuous activity.” You can say that without victim blaming or suggesting that they deserved to die for making a stupid decision.
Baby just turned 1 year old in August. Oski was 8-years-old (Aussie/Akita mix—both double-coated). Double-coated dogs keep cool bc of their natural insulation.
Anonymous
09/04/2021 11:54
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DCUM never, ever disappoints. Now taking aim at hikers as some kind of deranged obsessives. Pretty much the most innocuous activity that one can do.
Never change DCUMers!
Yes, 110 degree / 9 mile summer hikes on a mountain with a new born and a dog are totally innocuous activities. They all died.
Newborn? Who had a newborn?
NP, but are you purposely being dense? The baby was 9 months to a year old (have seen conflicting reports) but the point is that she was a baby. It is not a prudent or sensible idea to take a baby that age and a furry dog on a steep, challenging, 8-mile hike on a day where temperatures were supposed to go well above 100F. It’s just not, for a number of reasons. It’s certainly not an “innocuous activity.” You can say that without victim blaming or suggesting that they deserved to die for making a stupid decision.
Anonymous
09/04/2021 11:44
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:The sheriff is a politician, like all politicians, they love mugging for cameras. I wouldn't trust a thing out of his mouth, he's loving the attention and sensationalism.
In his latest comments on the case, he didn’t mention the case until more than 12 minutes into his press conference. Talked about other local cases and some raffle. If he was grandstanding, he would have mentioned this first and given more info. He’s a small town sheriff and hasn’t seen anything like this. He’s involved the FBI, the state water boards, toxicology from all over the country, vets at UC Davis, etc.
Anonymous
09/04/2021 09:43
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DCUM never, ever disappoints. Now taking aim at hikers as some kind of deranged obsessives. Pretty much the most innocuous activity that one can do.
Never change DCUMers!
Yes, 110 degree / 9 mile summer hikes on a mountain with a new born and a dog are totally innocuous activities. They all died.
Newborn? Who had a newborn?
Anonymous
09/04/2021 09:31
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Looks like a very challenging trail fir a family in the heat.
Anonymous
09/04/2021 09:30
Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From Webleuths:
As an Incident Commander said during an Incident Team meeting for fighting the Ferguson Fire in 2018, “You may know that some of the peaks and gulches in this area have “Devil” in their name. There is a reason for that; the terrain is incredibly rugged and steep.”
Sleuth poster: Here is a video of a hiker doing the Hite Cove trail:
Adding this extra link because additional videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuo8jSRPfwKkTvhP1WVtH6g
Another sleuth' response to video:
Great find. There's actually more than one video there.
Totally the wrong trail to be on in summer. Not at all a trail for beginners. Catastrophic for an unleashed dog (they'd head straight down one of those steeps to the river).
I love to hike but looking at that video and adding dog + baby + heat. No way I would consider doing that. I just kept thinking turn around turn around
Umm yeah, that looks like a pretty typical california hike so not sure what the point is here. People who think that is extreme must not be hikers.
Agree. I was envisioning not a cut trail, but a very rough barely-there trail with boulders you had to climb over and that sort of thing. This doesn't seem bad at all - although I wouldn't do it in 109degree weather.
Anonymous
09/04/2021 09:15
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:DCUM never, ever disappoints. Now taking aim at hikers as some kind of deranged obsessives. Pretty much the most innocuous activity that one can do.
Never change DCUMers!
Yes, 110 degree / 9 mile summer hikes on a mountain with a new born and a dog are totally innocuous activities. They all died.
Anonymous
09/04/2021 07:48
Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else read the article today in the NYTimes? I was about the mystery surrounding the deaths, and odd to me because it did not mention heat/heat exhaustion as a possible cause of death (while mentioning a lot of other possibilities).
Yes. Because the deaths are obviously not heat-related. But this is DCUM, where we just cannot stop blaming the victims for poor decision-making aka bad parenting. It's what we do.
Heat stroke is the most logical cause out of everything that has been discussed. Attributing this to the heat is not automatically calling them bad parents. The author of the NYT article probably didn't realize the details of the current hike, like the fact that it was very different than the guided tours that they previously did, and would be much more difficult with the dog and baby (not that I am blaming the parents for this).
Anonymous
09/04/2021 06:20
Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
I posted the Websleuths video that you're all in an uproar about. Despite your outrage, one common trail element from start to finish is that the majority of the trail is very narrow (single file) with sporadic openings near river and elsewhere.
There are two trails at the start. To support a pp that enlightened us on the possibility of choosing the wrong trail, I posted a map showing where their car was parked relative to the two trail start options. To the left of their parked vehicle is Hites Cove Road, the easier path that loops around to the river with steep inclines at Devil's Gulch Savage-Lundy. OR to the right of their parked vehicle is Hites Cove Trail (not Road) where one would follow the trail and descend Devil's Gulch Savage-Lundy, loop to river and around to exit on Hites Cove Road
Below is a link to the satellite map view. Search terms: Hites Cove Devils Gulch Savage-Lundy. Don't use an apostrophe in the word Devils because it populates a different map on my end, maybe not yours.
When you view link, it will show the default satellite view. Use two fingers to zoom in/out, and move the map left/right. To the left, you'll see Hites Cove Road trail start, surrounding area, Darrah Park, heliport. To the right you'll see Hites Cove Trail (not Road). Zooming as much as GMap allows will show you the terrain of Savage-Lundy/Devil's Gulch.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KJUNDbrf8Q6CeV837
At no point in this thread have I victim blamed or posted without data. To the screamers of, "that's not the trail they were on" - well they started on one of the two trails mentioned above. Take what you will from that video. My take is a very narrow trail, and a very tempting downward trot for Oski to the water. But, we don't know if he was leashed or not, other than when they were found. I'll repeat what I said in one earlier comment, a series of events led to their demise which likely culminated in heat stroke. None of these events are mutually exclusive and the latter doesn't overpower the former. Regardless 💔
There are two trails at the start. To support a pp that enlightened us on the possibility of choosing the wrong trail, I posted a map showing where their car was parked relative to the two trail start options. To the left of their parked vehicle is Hites Cove Road, the easier path that loops around to the river with steep inclines at Devil's Gulch Savage-Lundy. OR to the right of their parked vehicle is Hites Cove Trail (not Road) where one would follow the trail and descend Devil's Gulch Savage-Lundy, loop to river and around to exit on Hites Cove Road
Below is a link to the satellite map view. Search terms: Hites Cove Devils Gulch Savage-Lundy. Don't use an apostrophe in the word Devils because it populates a different map on my end, maybe not yours.
When you view link, it will show the default satellite view. Use two fingers to zoom in/out, and move the map left/right. To the left, you'll see Hites Cove Road trail start, surrounding area, Darrah Park, heliport. To the right you'll see Hites Cove Trail (not Road). Zooming as much as GMap allows will show you the terrain of Savage-Lundy/Devil's Gulch.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KJUNDbrf8Q6CeV837
At no point in this thread have I victim blamed or posted without data. To the screamers of, "that's not the trail they were on" - well they started on one of the two trails mentioned above. Take what you will from that video. My take is a very narrow trail, and a very tempting downward trot for Oski to the water. But, we don't know if he was leashed or not, other than when they were found. I'll repeat what I said in one earlier comment, a series of events led to their demise which likely culminated in heat stroke. None of these events are mutually exclusive and the latter doesn't overpower the former. Regardless 💔
Anonymous
09/04/2021 00:27
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The more I read about this couple and the "hiking" community, everyone involved sounds mentally ill. No different than psycho runners who look 20 years older than they are because they're so addicted to breaking their bodies racking up miles. These hiking people sound generally nuts, cringey, and super performative. And they constantly brag about their most "dangerous" hikes. I suspect had they made it, they would have bragged for years how they did this hike in hyper extreme temperatures. That reckless risk was probably part of the thrill. Do that crap on your own time, don't drag an innocent baby and dog.
What do you do for exercise and what do you do for fun? Are you fit and a normal weight?
Not PP, but I understand what PP is saying.
I'm following a couple on social media who are thru-hiking the CDT. They started in May and now have about 600 miles to go. To watch their transformation is pretty astonishing. They both look so aged after hiking 2400 miles!
Also, not sure if anyone here follows Allison Gary of the blog Wardrobe Oxygen, but her husband went vegan a few years ago and the decline in his looks is crazy. His skin just seems to hang now and he looks much older than he used to in the face.
and all that matters is how you look. Check your values.
Anonymous
09/04/2021 00:15
Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else read the article today in the NYTimes? I was about the mystery surrounding the deaths, and odd to me because it did not mention heat/heat exhaustion as a possible cause of death (while mentioning a lot of other possibilities).
Yes. Because the deaths are obviously not heat-related. But this is DCUM, where we just cannot stop blaming the victims for poor decision-making aka bad parenting. It's what we do.
Exactly.
Facts are irrelevant.
Anonymous
09/03/2021 21:40
Subject: What happened to this California family?
DCUM never, ever disappoints. Now taking aim at hikers as some kind of deranged obsessives. Pretty much the most innocuous activity that one can do.
Never change DCUMers!
Never change DCUMers!
Anonymous
09/03/2021 21:34
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The more I read about this couple and the "hiking" community, everyone involved sounds mentally ill. No different than psycho runners who look 20 years older than they are because they're so addicted to breaking their bodies racking up miles. These hiking people sound generally nuts, cringey, and super performative. And they constantly brag about their most "dangerous" hikes. I suspect had they made it, they would have bragged for years how they did this hike in hyper extreme temperatures. That reckless risk was probably part of the thrill. Do that crap on your own time, don't drag an innocent baby and dog.
What do you do for exercise and what do you do for fun? Are you fit and a normal weight?
Not PP, but I understand what PP is saying.
I'm following a couple on social media who are thru-hiking the CDT. They started in May and now have about 600 miles to go. To watch their transformation is pretty astonishing. They both look so aged after hiking 2400 miles!
Also, not sure if anyone here follows Allison Gary of the blog Wardrobe Oxygen, but her husband went vegan a few years ago and the decline in his looks is crazy. His skin just seems to hang now and he looks much older than he used to in the face.
Anonymous
09/03/2021 21:01
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The more I read about this couple and the "hiking" community, everyone involved sounds mentally ill. No different than psycho runners who look 20 years older than they are because they're so addicted to breaking their bodies racking up miles. These hiking people sound generally nuts, cringey, and super performative. And they constantly brag about their most "dangerous" hikes. I suspect had they made it, they would have bragged for years how they did this hike in hyper extreme temperatures. That reckless risk was probably part of the thrill. Do that crap on your own time, don't drag an innocent baby and dog.
What do you do for exercise and what do you do for fun? Are you fit and a normal weight?
I'm a healthy weight and love to walk and jog. But I still recognize there are mentally ill runners obsessed with racking up miles. And I've read enough about this hiking industry to see it's full of kooks eager to brag about their latest thrill-seeking behavior. You don't take an innocent baby and innocent dog on a trek like this. It's a safe bet the dog or the baby is how they got into trouble.
That's a dumb bet.
Unless you think that the park director was lying about the reason to close the forest.
Anonymous
09/03/2021 20:49
Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The more I read about this couple and the "hiking" community, everyone involved sounds mentally ill. No different than psycho runners who look 20 years older than they are because they're so addicted to breaking their bodies racking up miles. These hiking people sound generally nuts, cringey, and super performative. And they constantly brag about their most "dangerous" hikes. I suspect had they made it, they would have bragged for years how they did this hike in hyper extreme temperatures. That reckless risk was probably part of the thrill. Do that crap on your own time, don't drag an innocent baby and dog.
What do you do for exercise and what do you do for fun? Are you fit and a normal weight?
I'm a healthy weight and love to walk and jog. But I still recognize there are mentally ill runners obsessed with racking up miles. And I've read enough about this hiking industry to see it's full of kooks eager to brag about their latest thrill-seeking behavior. You don't take an innocent baby and innocent dog on a trek like this. It's a safe bet the dog or the baby is how they got into trouble.
Hiking industry? haha Nobody is getting rich off hiking boots and water bottles.