Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I woke up today with a terrible thought: What if Manchin and Sinema switch parties.

They won't, will they? If they did that and Warnock wins reelection then they would def be worse off than they are now. But if Walker wins, and both of them switched, it would make the difference. It would have to be both, though.

I guess there's some part of me worried that the constant hectoring at them is going to make them susceptible to whatever McTurtle can offer.

Talk me down, will you?

Manchin will not switch. He wins reelection by getting the Democratic votes and some of the moderate Republican vote. If he switches parties, that will be his last term in office. He cannot win a Republican primary in WV. He will be primaried from the right and lose. However, if he stays as a Democrat, he is essentially assured of reelection.

Sinema is in office until 2026 and based on her flipflopping, and the fact that she has changed many of her positions in office from when
she campaigned, she may be an underdog in the 2026 primaries. Her position in-state is precarious for her reelection, but she's safe for the next 4 years.

Am I doing my math wrong? Isn't Sinema up for reelection in 2024? She was elected in 2018... right?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I woke up today with a terrible thought: What if Manchin and Sinema switch parties.

They won't, will they? If they did that and Warnock wins reelection then they would def be worse off than they are now. But if Walker wins, and both of them switched, it would make the difference. It would have to be both, though.

I guess there's some part of me worried that the constant hectoring at them is going to make them susceptible to whatever McTurtle can offer.

Talk me down, will you?

That would be a giant f u to the Dems and independents that voted them in as democratic senators. Do senators actually switch parties in the middle of their elected term? That is shameful.

Yeah I don't see how switching now would help them if they want to get re-elected. Maybe it would help Manchin since WV is so red, but chances are he would be primaried by someone to his right if he were an R and lose. For Sinema switching really would not make sense. AZ just elected a Democrat to the Senate. Her voting base includes people who will not vote for an R. She can't afford to lose them.

Sinema would also lose a Republican primary in AZ. As evidenced by Lake and Masters, you have to be completely batsh*t to win the Republican primary in that state.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I woke up today with a terrible thought: What if Manchin and Sinema switch parties.

They won't, will they? If they did that and Warnock wins reelection then they would def be worse off than they are now. But if Walker wins, and both of them switched, it would make the difference. It would have to be both, though.

I guess there's some part of me worried that the constant hectoring at them is going to make them susceptible to whatever McTurtle can offer.

Talk me down, will you?

Manchin will not switch. He wins reelection by getting the Democratic votes and some of the moderate Republican vote. If he switches parties, that will be his last term in office. He cannot win a Republican primary in WV. He will be primaried from the right and lose. However, if he stays as a Democrat, he is essentially assured of reelection.

Sinema is in office until 2026 and based on her flipflopping, and the fact that she has changed many of her positions in office from when she campaigned, she may be an underdog in the 2026 primaries. Her position in-state is precarious for her reelection, but she's safe for the next 4 years.

This is the PP - and phew, yes, what you are saying makes sense.

I just feel like we're in the horror movie where we think we've vanquished the monster, only there's still half an hour left in the movie to go.

Of course that's the situation Biden still has two years in office with a Republican slim margin lead in the House. McCarthy as Speaker (or worse, one of the Trump MAGA candidates) is going to be difficult. The January 6 committee is going to be disbanded and anything that is not completed by the holidays will be canceled. McConnell is a thorn in the Senate's paw. He will be as divisive and obstructive as possible and even as the minority leader, he can be difficult. With the most political SCOTUS that we've had in history, this is a very antagonistic government for Biden.

Biden is going to have the second half of his term in office waiting for the other shoe to drop every day.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I woke up today with a terrible thought: What if Manchin and Sinema switch parties.

They won't, will they? If they did that and Warnock wins reelection then they would def be worse off than they are now. But if Walker wins, and both of them switched, it would make the difference. It would have to be both, though.

I guess there's some part of me worried that the constant hectoring at them is going to make them susceptible to whatever McTurtle can offer.

Talk me down, will you?

If they switch parties, they lose all the power they hold right now. They would both be just another Rep. Right now they can both get a LOT more attention by being conservative Dems.

But if them switching would be enough to put Rs in charge, I'm sure McConnell would give them anything they want. So one more reason to make sure/hope like heck that Warnock wins.

What can he give them though? Biden is still president, so he can veto any attempt to reward them via legislation and he control nominations. I guess he could give them some committee chair, but that doesn't seem like much. They are both much better off being Dems while Biden is president. If they were going to switch, they would have done it during the last two years.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I woke up today with a terrible thought: What if Manchin and Sinema switch parties.

They won't, will they? If they did that and Warnock wins reelection then they would def be worse off than they are now. But if Walker wins, and both of them switched, it would make the difference. It would have to be both, though.

I guess there's some part of me worried that the constant hectoring at them is going to make them susceptible to whatever McTurtle can offer.

Talk me down, will you?

Manchin will not switch. He wins reelection by getting the Democratic votes and some of the moderate Republican vote. If he switches parties, that will be his last term in office. He cannot win a Republican primary in WV. He will be primaried from the right and lose. However, if he stays as a Democrat, he is essentially assured of reelection.

Sinema is in office until 2026 and based on her flipflopping, and the fact that she has changed many of her positions in office from when she campaigned, she may be an underdog in the 2026 primaries. Her position in-state is precarious for her reelection, but she's safe for the next 4 years.

This is the PP - and phew, yes, what you are saying makes sense.

I just feel like we're in the horror movie where we think we've vanquished the monster, only there's still half an hour left in the movie to go.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I woke up today with a terrible thought: What if Manchin and Sinema switch parties.

They won't, will they? If they did that and Warnock wins reelection then they would def be worse off than they are now. But if Walker wins, and both of them switched, it would make the difference. It would have to be both, though.

I guess there's some part of me worried that the constant hectoring at them is going to make them susceptible to whatever McTurtle can offer.

Talk me down, will you?

That would be a giant f u to the Dems and independents that voted them in as democratic senators. Do senators actually switch parties in the middle of their elected term? That is shameful.

Yeah I don't see how switching now would help them if they want to get re-elected. Maybe it would help Manchin since WV is so red, but chances are he would be primaried by someone to his right if he were an R and lose. For Sinema switching really would not make sense. AZ just elected a Democrat to the Senate. Her voting base includes people who will not vote for an R. She can't afford to lose them.

Anonymous wrote:I woke up today with a terrible thought: What if Manchin and Sinema switch parties.

They won't, will they? If they did that and Warnock wins reelection then they would def be worse off than they are now. But if Walker wins, and both of them switched, it would make the difference. It would have to be both, though.

I guess there's some part of me worried that the constant hectoring at them is going to make them susceptible to whatever McTurtle can offer.

Talk me down, will you?

Manchin will not switch. He wins reelection by getting the Democratic votes and some of the moderate Republican vote. If he switches parties, that will be his last term in office. He cannot win a Republican primary in WV. He will be primaried from the right and lose. However, if he stays as a Democrat, he is essentially assured of reelection.

Sinema is in office until 2026 and based on her flipflopping, and the fact that she has changed many of her positions in office from when she campaigned, she may be an underdog in the 2026 primaries. Her position in-state is precarious for her reelection, but she's safe for the next 4 years.

Anonymous wrote:I woke up today with a terrible thought: What if Manchin and Sinema switch parties.

They won't, will they? If they did that and Warnock wins reelection then they would def be worse off than they are now. But if Walker wins, and both of them switched, it would make the difference. It would have to be both, though.

I guess there's some part of me worried that the constant hectoring at them is going to make them susceptible to whatever McTurtle can offer.

Talk me down, will you?

That would be a giant f u to the Dems and independents that voted them in as democratic senators. Do senators actually switch parties in the middle of their elected term? That is shameful.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I woke up today with a terrible thought: What if Manchin and Sinema switch parties.

They won't, will they? If they did that and Warnock wins reelection then they would def be worse off than they are now. But if Walker wins, and both of them switched, it would make the difference. It would have to be both, though.

I guess there's some part of me worried that the constant hectoring at them is going to make them susceptible to whatever McTurtle can offer.

Talk me down, will you?

If they switch parties, they lose all the power they hold right now. They would both be just another Rep. Right now they can both get a LOT more attention by being conservative Dems.

But if them switching would be enough to put Rs in charge, I'm sure McConnell would give them anything they want. So one more reason to make sure/hope like heck that Warnock wins.

Anonymous wrote:I woke up today with a terrible thought: What if Manchin and Sinema switch parties.

They won't, will they? If they did that and Warnock wins reelection then they would def be worse off than they are now. But if Walker wins, and both of them switched, it would make the difference. It would have to be both, though.

I guess there's some part of me worried that the constant hectoring at them is going to make them susceptible to whatever McTurtle can offer.

Talk me down, will you?

If they switch parties, they lose all the power they hold right now. They would both be just another Rep. Right now they can both get a LOT more attention by being conservative Dems.

I woke up today with a terrible thought: What if Manchin and Sinema switch parties.

They won't, will they? If they did that and Warnock wins reelection then they would def be worse off than they are now. But if Walker wins, and both of them switched, it would make the difference. It would have to be both, though.

I guess there's some part of me worried that the constant hectoring at them is going to make them susceptible to whatever McTurtle can offer.

Talk me down, will you?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to see the faces of Micheal Moore, Bill Kristol and that Rosenberg guy tomorrow morning.

Hey, PP, following up here. so how’d you like *dem*faces?

Ha ha! I’m a Democrat and I apologized on another thread. I thought we were in for a repeat of 2016, so I’m very glad I’m the one who was wrong.

Lol 😂 all good!

Anonymous wrote:My mission is to make sure Hawley loses in 2024.
He must go.

Heading to his church this week. Flyers printed.

Then MO same.

And his twat wife is going to be disbarred.

Disbarred for what?

My mission is to make sure Hawley loses in 2024.
He must go.

Heading to his church this week. Flyers printed.

Then MO same.

And his twat wife is going to be disbarred.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to see the faces of Micheal Moore, Bill Kristol and that Rosenberg guy tomorrow morning.

Hey, PP, following up here. so how’d you like *dem*faces?

Ha ha! I’m a Democrat and I apologized on another thread. I thought we were in for a repeat of 2016, so I’m very glad I’m the one who was wrong.