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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the new maps I could see Lees Corner and most of Bull Run moving to Westfield.

Lees Corner's boundaries are basically adjacent to Chantilly.

It's basically across the street (50) from Chantilly. Closest elementary school except Greenbriar West. Less than one mile.

If you want to play the who is closer game, it'd be Rocky Run that is closer than Franklin. Therefore, Lees Corner via Franklin is more likely to be moved out of Chantilly than anyone else after Oak Hill. I don't think that would happen, maybe a portion of kids who could walk to Chantilly are rezoned to Rocky Run themselves given under enrollment there, if anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the new maps I could see Lees Corner and most of Bull Run moving to Westfield.

Lees Corner's boundaries are basically adjacent to Chantilly.

It's basically across the street (50) from Chantilly. Closest elementary school except Greenbriar West. Less than one mile.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why McLean HD goes around Pimmit Hills? It makes no sense as it puts it on an island, while under scenario 4 there is a McLean island to the east of the Marshall HS district.

Part of Pimmit Hills walks to Marshall. Technically, if assigned, part of Pimmit Hills would walk to McLean. Instead of splitting the neighborhood, everyone is sent to Marshall. McLean doesn’t have the capacity to take the whole neighborhood, even if they dropped the Timber Lane island.

Under Scenarios 1-3 part of Pimmit Hills was supposed to go to McLean HS, so clearly they understand that a portion can walk to McLean. It seems very odd to do a complete 180.

Actually the portion that could walk to McLean has never been recommended for McLean HS. It’s a portion of Westgate that’s across Magarity from the Commons of McLean. The McLean assigned portion of Westgate are walkers. If they understood that portion, they’d have split the neighborhood by Griffith Rd. Then the Lemon Road and Westgate splits would have been more evenly split, and they’d pick up McLean walkers without losing Marshall ones.

That was my thought. Use Griffin and Peabody as they offer a nice cut off area for McLean. It eliminates the peninsula area of Pimmit Hills(which is surrounded by McLean boundary) and I do not think would add a lot of students.

Based on the Kent Garden study, it would move about 100 students from Marshall to McLean. McLean would be at 105% capacity with modulars. It would make Lemon Road about 40/60 McLean/Marshall split and Westgate a 35/65 split.

The only way I see them doing it (aside from pure apathy at appeasing any and all requests) is if Kilmer capacity can’t be resolved through Thoreau, which I don’t think is the case.

Assuming TOV gets their way and the Wolftrap/Westbriar swap is undone, Kilmer’s boundaries will essentially look like Marshall’s existing boundaries without the Stenwood cutout. That would put both Kilmer and Thoreau at around 103% each (if my math on the current Kilmer split is correct… Thru states 12% to Madison in their change log.) So they’d both be “in the clear” capacity wise.

I don’t see them pushing McLean to their capacity threshold (105%) to get Kilmer capacity under 100% but it’s not outside the realm of possibility. Especially since Madison rejected modeling the Thoreau-Marshall students to Madison because they worried it would add too much capacity (it wouldn’t.)

Unless you're on the BRAC and have access to data not available to most, it seems like it would be hard to know the impact of this proposal with any certainty. The numbers for the SPAs in the Kent Gardens study were for K-6 enrollment, not the high school enrollments. You can pro-rate, but it's quite imprecise since there are KG families who may go private for high school or only start sending their kids to public school in high school. Also, Thru and the BRAC still appear to be working with September 2024 numbers and it's unclear they will update to use fall 2025 numbers.

The initial proposals for Marshall and McLean were so bad that I think they've been beating a retreat ever since. Insofar as Scenario 4 is concerned, Longfellow/McLean just lose the Spring Hill island in Tysons, and those families won't complain about moving to Cooper/Langley with the other 62% at Spring Hill. The Marshall boundaries still seem to be up in the air. The Madison parents in Vienna are fighting a move to Marshall, there's a group of Lemon Road parents pushing now to get moved from Marshall to McLean after other Lemon Road parents fought earlier to stay at Marshall and not move to McLean, and Scenario 4 leaves the Westbriar island even more isolated.

That group of Lemon Road parents is taking it a step further and aggressively lobbying to push the LR families in the townhomes and apartments next to Marshall out of Lemon Road, under the flimsy guise of eliminating a split feeder… conveniently omitting the fact that as an AAP center, LR will remain a split feeder.

I don't think that group of Marshall parents will get much traction, but I also don't think they were motivated by a desire to push kids in apartments and townhouses out of their elementary school because they live in apartments and townhouses, which you seemed to be suggesting. I think they just wanted to eliminate what they saw as the impediment to getting Lemon Road rezoned to McLean, as proposed in Scenario 3, since it was the parents who lived near Marshall in those townhouses and apartments who objected the most.

But there are lots of connected pieces and, if they got their way, they might be putting Timber Lane north of Route 29 back in play to move to Falls Church, and that group appears to have prevailed.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why McLean HD goes around Pimmit Hills? It makes no sense as it puts it on an island, while under scenario 4 there is a McLean island to the east of the Marshall HS district.

Part of Pimmit Hills walks to Marshall. Technically, if assigned, part of Pimmit Hills would walk to McLean. Instead of splitting the neighborhood, everyone is sent to Marshall. McLean doesn’t have the capacity to take the whole neighborhood, even if they dropped the Timber Lane island.

Under Scenarios 1-3 part of Pimmit Hills was supposed to go to McLean HS, so clearly they understand that a portion can walk to McLean. It seems very odd to do a complete 180.

Actually the portion that could walk to McLean has never been recommended for McLean HS. It’s a portion of Westgate that’s across Magarity from the Commons of McLean. The McLean assigned portion of Westgate are walkers. If they understood that portion, they’d have split the neighborhood by Griffith Rd. Then the Lemon Road and Westgate splits would have been more evenly split, and they’d pick up McLean walkers without losing Marshall ones.

That was my thought. Use Griffin and Peabody as they offer a nice cut off area for McLean. It eliminates the peninsula area of Pimmit Hills(which is surrounded by McLean boundary) and I do not think would add a lot of students.

Based on the Kent Garden study, it would move about 100 students from Marshall to McLean. McLean would be at 105% capacity with modulars. It would make Lemon Road about 40/60 McLean/Marshall split and Westgate a 35/65 split.

The only way I see them doing it (aside from pure apathy at appeasing any and all requests) is if Kilmer capacity can’t be resolved through Thoreau, which I don’t think is the case.

Assuming TOV gets their way and the Wolftrap/Westbriar swap is undone, Kilmer’s boundaries will essentially look like Marshall’s existing boundaries without the Stenwood cutout. That would put both Kilmer and Thoreau at around 103% each (if my math on the current Kilmer split is correct… Thru states 12% to Madison in their change log.) So they’d both be “in the clear” capacity wise.

I don’t see them pushing McLean to their capacity threshold (105%) to get Kilmer capacity under 100% but it’s not outside the realm of possibility. Especially since Madison rejected modeling the Thoreau-Marshall students to Madison because they worried it would add too much capacity (it wouldn’t.)

Unless you're on the BRAC and have access to data not available to most, it seems like it would be hard to know the impact of this proposal with any certainty. The numbers for the SPAs in the Kent Gardens study were for K-6 enrollment, not the high school enrollments. You can pro-rate, but it's quite imprecise since there are KG families who may go private for high school or only start sending their kids to public school in high school. Also, Thru and the BRAC still appear to be working with September 2024 numbers and it's unclear they will update to use fall 2025 numbers.

The initial proposals for Marshall and McLean were so bad that I think they've been beating a retreat ever since. Insofar as Scenario 4 is concerned, Longfellow/McLean just lose the Spring Hill island in Tysons, and those families won't complain about moving to Cooper/Langley with the other 62% at Spring Hill. The Marshall boundaries still seem to be up in the air. The Madison parents in Vienna are fighting a move to Marshall, there's a group of Lemon Road parents pushing now to get moved from Marshall to McLean after other Lemon Road parents fought earlier to stay at Marshall and not move to McLean, and Scenario 4 leaves the Westbriar island even more isolated.

That group of Lemon Road parents is taking it a step further and aggressively lobbying to push the LR families in the townhomes and apartments next to Marshall out of Lemon Road, under the flimsy guise of eliminating a split feeder… conveniently omitting the fact that as an AAP center, LR will remain a split feeder.

They’re being pretty short sighted. I would like to think that most Lemon Road families don’t want the townhouses and apartments across RT-7 reassigned. The Pimmit Hills families just want to go to McLean. They’re arguing for the split feeder to be eliminated, when they should be advocating for a more even split. The current strategy is either going to move other people’s kids to Freedom Hill or get the Idylwood neighborhood moved to Marshall, and then they’ll scream their heads off about getting moved. It’s a pretty pointless exercise that would be undone by draft 6 and hurt a lot of feelings in the process.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the new maps I could see Lees Corner and most of Bull Run moving to Westfield.

Lees Corner's boundaries are basically adjacent to Chantilly.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know the western part of the county as well as the southeastern, but when South County opened the ensuing boundary changes left Lee (Lewis) with a high-poverty population. Is there a risk that this could happen to a school like Westfield?

Westfield currently has nine feeder schools. Four are straight feeders, and five are split feeders.

Schools most likely to move to KAA are bolded. If these schools move to KAA, then they'll need to backfill Westfield and it could end up with a higher percentage of lower-income kids.

FARMS percentages at Westfield and Westfield feeders last year:

Coates 53.8 (current split with Herndon)
London Towne 47.2
Bull Run 43.1 (current split with Centreville)
Virginia Run 37.5
Deer Park 34.3
WESTFIELD 31.3
McNair Upper 29.4
Cub Run 22.9 (current split with Chantilly)
Floris 13.7 (current split with South Lakes)
Oak Hill 9.2 (current split with Chantilly)

I don’t think Westfield gets many kids from Floris or Oak Hill currently. The biggest feeders for Westfield are Coates, McNair, London Towne, Virginia Run, Deer Park, and Cub Run.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they moving kids to west springfield from lewis?

Moving the Rolling Valley Lewis students to WSHS and moving other neighborhoods out of WSHS to make room for the Lewis kids has been the Springfield representative's biggest rezoning priority since FCPS started revising policy 8130.

So who is it? Which family supported Anderson or is close to Anderson’s family if this is the case?

We were told that she was advocating for this group because some groups can’t organize and spend time advocating like our group. It was a very surprising statement, because we are also households of busy working parents, who are federal workers, military, teachers, etc. We don’t have any more resources than this RVES pocket.

So, equity??

That doesn't make sense.

That RV neighborhood is just as wealthy as the rest of 22152 and has a similar demographic as the rest of WSHS.

DP. Whenever the school board hears that a community doesn’t want something, they immediately pretend that there is some other silent community who wants the opposite. That way, they can justify screwing over the first community.

For the most part, they just keep revising the proposals to reflect the last group of noisy parents who chewed their ear off. Not sure the end result will be anything like what they claimed they wanted to accomplish.

Comprehensive boundary review is a shitty game of musical chairs.

Every boundary review is musical chairs because every boundary review shifts seats in a zero sum environment.

That's an odd statement. How is it a zero sum environment when they get money every few years for capital projects and boundary changes can be one-way? It's not like they move kids out of every school they move kids into.

School A loses 100 kids.

School B receives the 100 kids.

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Or School L loses 20 kids

+

School WS gains 80 kids

= + 60 kids

Or

School JM loses 90 kids

+

School GCM gains 60 kids

= - 30 kids

The kids don’t magically cease to exist with a boundary change. They go to a different school.

If you want to talk general patterns of population/enrollment shifting, that’s a different point all together.

DP. I know families who have ceased to exist in Fairfax county schools because of the boundary review.

Imagine uprooting your family because your kids have the slightest chance of having to go to school with poor kids. Amazing.

Imagine sending your child to another school based on IB/AP because of lack of opportunity for advanced instruction.

Imagine how sending your high achieving kids to a high school will lead to it being a better school and probably drive the need for more advanced classes.

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Anonymous wrote:My BRAC members do not respond , how do I get my voice heard ?

Of course they don't. They don't represent the community, they just represent themselves.

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the new maps I could see Lees Corner and most of Bull Run moving to Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why McLean HD goes around Pimmit Hills? It makes no sense as it puts it on an island, while under scenario 4 there is a McLean island to the east of the Marshall HS district.

Part of Pimmit Hills walks to Marshall. Technically, if assigned, part of Pimmit Hills would walk to McLean. Instead of splitting the neighborhood, everyone is sent to Marshall. McLean doesn’t have the capacity to take the whole neighborhood, even if they dropped the Timber Lane island.

Under Scenarios 1-3 part of Pimmit Hills was supposed to go to McLean HS, so clearly they understand that a portion can walk to McLean. It seems very odd to do a complete 180.

Actually the portion that could walk to McLean has never been recommended for McLean HS. It’s a portion of Westgate that’s across Magarity from the Commons of McLean. The McLean assigned portion of Westgate are walkers. If they understood that portion, they’d have split the neighborhood by Griffith Rd. Then the Lemon Road and Westgate splits would have been more evenly split, and they’d pick up McLean walkers without losing Marshall ones.

That was my thought. Use Griffin and Peabody as they offer a nice cut off area for McLean. It eliminates the peninsula area of Pimmit Hills(which is surrounded by McLean boundary) and I do not think would add a lot of students.

Based on the Kent Garden study, it would move about 100 students from Marshall to McLean. McLean would be at 105% capacity with modulars. It would make Lemon Road about 40/60 McLean/Marshall split and Westgate a 35/65 split.

The only way I see them doing it (aside from pure apathy at appeasing any and all requests) is if Kilmer capacity can’t be resolved through Thoreau, which I don’t think is the case.

Assuming TOV gets their way and the Wolftrap/Westbriar swap is undone, Kilmer’s boundaries will essentially look like Marshall’s existing boundaries without the Stenwood cutout. That would put both Kilmer and Thoreau at around 103% each (if my math on the current Kilmer split is correct… Thru states 12% to Madison in their change log.) So they’d both be “in the clear” capacity wise.

I don’t see them pushing McLean to their capacity threshold (105%) to get Kilmer capacity under 100% but it’s not outside the realm of possibility. Especially since Madison rejected modeling the Thoreau-Marshall students to Madison because they worried it would add too much capacity (it wouldn’t.)

Unless you're on the BRAC and have access to data not available to most, it seems like it would be hard to know the impact of this proposal with any certainty. The numbers for the SPAs in the Kent Gardens study were for K-6 enrollment, not the high school enrollments. You can pro-rate, but it's quite imprecise since there are KG families who may go private for high school or only start sending their kids to public school in high school. Also, Thru and the BRAC still appear to be working with September 2024 numbers and it's unclear they will update to use fall 2025 numbers.

The initial proposals for Marshall and McLean were so bad that I think they've been beating a retreat ever since. Insofar as Scenario 4 is concerned, Longfellow/McLean just lose the Spring Hill island in Tysons, and those families won't complain about moving to Cooper/Langley with the other 62% at Spring Hill. The Marshall boundaries still seem to be up in the air. The Madison parents in Vienna are fighting a move to Marshall, there's a group of Lemon Road parents pushing now to get moved from Marshall to McLean after other Lemon Road parents fought earlier to stay at Marshall and not move to McLean, and Scenario 4 leaves the Westbriar island even more isolated.

That group of Lemon Road parents is taking it a step further and aggressively lobbying to push the LR families in the townhomes and apartments next to Marshall out of Lemon Road, under the flimsy guise of eliminating a split feeder… conveniently omitting the fact that as an AAP center, LR will remain a split feeder.

Anonymous wrote:My BRAC members do not respond , how do I get my voice heard ?

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they moving kids to west springfield from lewis?

Moving the Rolling Valley Lewis students to WSHS and moving other neighborhoods out of WSHS to make room for the Lewis kids has been the Springfield representative's biggest rezoning priority since FCPS started revising policy 8130.

So who is it? Which family supported Anderson or is close to Anderson’s family if this is the case?

We were told that she was advocating for this group because some groups can’t organize and spend time advocating like our group. It was a very surprising statement, because we are also households of busy working parents, who are federal workers, military, teachers, etc. We don’t have any more resources than this RVES pocket.

So, equity??

That doesn't make sense.

That RV neighborhood is just as wealthy as the rest of 22152 and has a similar demographic as the rest of WSHS.

DP. Whenever the school board hears that a community doesn’t want something, they immediately pretend that there is some other silent community who wants the opposite. That way, they can justify screwing over the first community.

For the most part, they just keep revising the proposals to reflect the last group of noisy parents who chewed their ear off. Not sure the end result will be anything like what they claimed they wanted to accomplish.

Comprehensive boundary review is a shitty game of musical chairs.

Every boundary review is musical chairs because every boundary review shifts seats in a zero sum environment.

That's an odd statement. How is it a zero sum environment when they get money every few years for capital projects and boundary changes can be one-way? It's not like they move kids out of every school they move kids into.

School A loses 100 kids.

School B receives the 100 kids.

-100 from school A

+

+100 to school B

=

0

Or School L loses 20 kids

+

School WS gains 80 kids

= + 60 kids

Or

School JM loses 90 kids

+

School GCM gains 60 kids

= - 30 kids

The kids don’t magically cease to exist with a boundary change. They go to a different school.

If you want to talk general patterns of population/enrollment shifting, that’s a different point all together.

DP. I know families who have ceased to exist in Fairfax county schools because of the boundary review.

Imagine uprooting your family because your kids have the slightest chance of having to go to school with poor kids. Amazing.

Imagine sending your child to another school based on IB/AP because of lack of opportunity for advanced instruction.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they moving kids to west springfield from lewis?

Moving the Rolling Valley Lewis students to WSHS and moving other neighborhoods out of WSHS to make room for the Lewis kids has been the Springfield representative's biggest rezoning priority since FCPS started revising policy 8130.

So who is it? Which family supported Anderson or is close to Anderson’s family if this is the case?

We were told that she was advocating for this group because some groups can’t organize and spend time advocating like our group. It was a very surprising statement, because we are also households of busy working parents, who are federal workers, military, teachers, etc. We don’t have any more resources than this RVES pocket.

So, equity??

That doesn't make sense.

That RV neighborhood is just as wealthy as the rest of 22152 and has a similar demographic as the rest of WSHS.

DP. Whenever the school board hears that a community doesn’t want something, they immediately pretend that there is some other silent community who wants the opposite. That way, they can justify screwing over the first community.

For the most part, they just keep revising the proposals to reflect the last group of noisy parents who chewed their ear off. Not sure the end result will be anything like what they claimed they wanted to accomplish.

Comprehensive boundary review is a shitty game of musical chairs.

Every boundary review is musical chairs because every boundary review shifts seats in a zero sum environment.

That's an odd statement. How is it a zero sum environment when they get money every few years for capital projects and boundary changes can be one-way? It's not like they move kids out of every school they move kids into.

School A loses 100 kids.

School B receives the 100 kids.

-100 from school A

+

+100 to school B

=

0

Or School L loses 20 kids

+

School WS gains 80 kids

= + 60 kids

Or

School JM loses 90 kids

+

School GCM gains 60 kids

= - 30 kids

The kids don’t magically cease to exist with a boundary change. They go to a different school.

If you want to talk general patterns of population/enrollment shifting, that’s a different point all together.

DP. I know families who have ceased to exist in Fairfax county schools because of the boundary review.

Frankly, that's better for us. They're still paying taxes and there are fewer kids which means more money for my kid.

What is, how to be penny-wise and pound-foolish, Alex.

(And some moved out of the county altogether.)

Just because 5 wealthy families you know moved away "because of the schools" doesn't mean they all are. There's not going to be a mass exodus of wealthy families from Fairfax County because of the boundary changes. Is there a possibility that the Herndon families that go to Langley will move to Loudoun when they get redistricted in five years? Yes, absolutely but that's also not that many people (even though it seems like a lot because they are so vocal). You really need to relax.

Did they solve the Herndon high student’s murder from last week yet? Is there an ongoing threat to that community still?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know the western part of the county as well as the southeastern, but when South County opened the ensuing boundary changes left Lee (Lewis) with a high-poverty population. Is there a risk that this could happen to a school like Westfield?

Westfield currently has nine feeder schools. Four are straight feeders, and five are split feeders.

Schools most likely to move to KAA are bolded. If these schools move to KAA, then they'll need to backfill Westfield and it could end up with a higher percentage of lower-income kids.

FARMS percentages at Westfield and Westfield feeders last year:

Coates 53.8 (current split with Herndon)
London Towne 47.2
Bull Run 43.1 (current split with Centreville)
Virginia Run 37.5
Deer Park 34.3
WESTFIELD 31.3
McNair Upper 29.4
Cub Run 22.9 (current split with Chantilly)
Floris 13.7 (current split with South Lakes)
Oak Hill 9.2 (current split with Chantilly)

I don’t think Westfield gets many kids from Floris or Oak Hill currently. The biggest feeders for Westfield are Coates, McNair, London Towne, Virginia Run, Deer Park, and Cub Run.