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Anonymous wrote:I agree with cusack that it’s telling how many governments and journalists rushed to the aid of this foolish party while hundreds of refugees sank in the Mediterranean. Guess poor lives don’t matter. We don’t send taxpayer funded rescue teams to mt Everest for lost climbers so Why is my money being spent in this recovery effort?

These are two incomparable things. The Titan involved an American thought to be trapped and running out of oxygen in a submarine for days off the North American coast.

That's different than a migrant boat capsizing off the coast of Greece or Italy. And they get migrant boats continuously and do rescues.

Loss of life is loss regardless of where in the world or who for sure, but you can't compare these 2 different things like it's the same.

+100

As Phil Leotardo once said, they are “apples and bowling balls”

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone dies. At least vaporizing yourself in an experimental carbon fiber tube is a pretty unique and interesting way to go.

Vaporizing?

That implies heat. This sub was 10000 ft underwater in near freezing temperatures. Good luck vaporizing anything.

You must’ve studied science at trump university.

The immense pressure of water entering the capsule would pulverize any living matter in the sub. We are talking surface of the sun temps. Gone. Nothing left. Literally E=mC^2

Maybe a little PV=nRT too.

A lot of T

Exponentially increasing V = exponentially increasing T

Typo:
Exponentially increasing P = exponentially increasing T

Followed by...
decreasing V = decreasing T

It’s gruesome, but the Byford dolphin incident is as close as I can think of known outcome in somewhat similar circumstances. It was a decompressive, rather than a compressive incident, and it was from 9 atm to 1 atm. Other vessels have imploded, like the uss thresher, but no one survived and there is a lot of uncertainty about what really happened. Don’t read about Byford dolphin if you are at all squeamish. The titan sub imploded with an external pressure of 500 atm to 1 atm. It’s hard to wrap your mind around a reaction that happens magnitudes faster than human reaction.

Yeah, I read the autopsy report. It’s interesting that 3 of the divers’ bodies seemed intact and only 1 was shredded. I guess diver 4 lessened the impact for the others.

None seemed burned.

The pressure caused the fourth diver to be pushed/pulled through the partially opened door, hence why he was not intact.

Right. Seems like the other divers would have pulled through as well. Or at least moved from their position towards the opening. Two were still in their beds.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone dies. At least vaporizing yourself in an experimental carbon fiber tube is a pretty unique and interesting way to go.

Vaporizing?

That implies heat. This sub was 10000 ft underwater in near freezing temperatures. Good luck vaporizing anything.

You must’ve studied science at trump university.

The immense pressure of water entering the capsule would pulverize any living matter in the sub. We are talking surface of the sun temps. Gone. Nothing left. Literally E=mC^2

Maybe a little PV=nRT too.

A lot of T

Exponentially increasing V = exponentially increasing T

Typo:
Exponentially increasing P = exponentially increasing T

Followed by...
decreasing V = decreasing T

PV = nRT doesn't describe this problem well since the ending volume would be hard to estimate. It's easier to use the potential energy on the surface of the hull.

The surface area of the carbon fiber hull was approximately 66 meters^2, the surface area of a cylinder 3m x 7m.

At a depth of 6,000 ft, the pressure on the hull is about 200 bar (one bar for every 10 meters)

That's 20 newtons/meter^2, or 1.32e9 newtons of pressure on the carbon fiber hull.

Assuming the hull collapses radially at a distance of 1.5m, that's about 2e9 newton meters, aka 2e9 joules.

1 ton of TNT contains roughly 4e9 joules.

It's unlikely that the hull collapse was perfect, but the energy of the implosion was the equivalent of detonating hundreds of pounds of TNT.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone dies. At least vaporizing yourself in an experimental carbon fiber tube is a pretty unique and interesting way to go.

Vaporizing?

That implies heat. This sub was 10000 ft underwater in near freezing temperatures. Good luck vaporizing anything.

You must’ve studied science at trump university.

The immense pressure of water entering the capsule would pulverize any living matter in the sub. We are talking surface of the sun temps. Gone. Nothing left. Literally E=mC^2

Maybe a little PV=nRT too.

A lot of T

Exponentially increasing V = exponentially increasing T

Typo:
Exponentially increasing P = exponentially increasing T

Followed by...
decreasing V = decreasing T

It’s gruesome, but the Byford dolphin incident is as close as I can think of known outcome in somewhat similar circumstances. It was a decompressive, rather than a compressive incident, and it was from 9 atm to 1 atm. Other vessels have imploded, like the uss thresher, but no one survived and there is a lot of uncertainty about what really happened. Don’t read about Byford dolphin if you are at all squeamish. The titan sub imploded with an external pressure of 500 atm to 1 atm. It’s hard to wrap your mind around a reaction that happens magnitudes faster than human reaction.

Yeah, I read the autopsy report. It’s interesting that 3 of the divers’ bodies seemed intact and only 1 was shredded. I guess diver 4 lessened the impact for the others.

None seemed burned.

The pressure caused the fourth diver to be pushed/pulled through the partially opened door, hence why he was not intact.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone dies. At least vaporizing yourself in an experimental carbon fiber tube is a pretty unique and interesting way to go.

Vaporizing?

That implies heat. This sub was 10000 ft underwater in near freezing temperatures. Good luck vaporizing anything.

You must’ve studied science at trump university.

The immense pressure of water entering the capsule would pulverize any living matter in the sub. We are talking surface of the sun temps. Gone. Nothing left. Literally E=mC^2

Maybe a little PV=nRT too.

A lot of T

Exponentially increasing V = exponentially increasing T

Typo:
Exponentially increasing P = exponentially increasing T

Followed by...
decreasing V = decreasing T

It’s gruesome, but the Byford dolphin incident is as close as I can think of known outcome in somewhat similar circumstances. It was a decompressive, rather than a compressive incident, and it was from 9 atm to 1 atm. Other vessels have imploded, like the uss thresher, but no one survived and there is a lot of uncertainty about what really happened. Don’t read about Byford dolphin if you are at all squeamish. The titan sub imploded with an external pressure of 500 atm to 1 atm. It’s hard to wrap your mind around a reaction that happens magnitudes faster than human reaction.

Yeah, I read the autopsy report. It’s interesting that 3 of the divers’ bodies seemed intact and only 1 was shredded. I guess diver 4 lessened the impact for the others.

None seemed burned.

Anonymous wrote:I saw online that since the victims all perished when the vessel imploded that it is very likely none of them knew what hit them.

In other words, there was no time for their brains to even process that they were about to die.

That is a huge relief to hear since imagining them all trapped for days in a cold, dark vessel with disappearing oxygen and no food sounded like the epitome of the worst way to die.

Didn't James Cameron say that they were trying to surface when it imploded? They knew something was wrong and I'm sure they were quite aware they were going to die. But at least it was quick so probably not painful.

Anonymous wrote:I saw online that since the victims all perished when the vessel imploded that it is very likely none of them knew what hit them.

In other words, there was no time for their brains to even process that they were about to die.

That is a huge relief to hear since imagining them all trapped for days in a cold, dark vessel with disappearing oxygen and no food sounded like the epitome of the worst way to die.

Yes, they pulverized themselves in an experimental carbon fiber tube at the bottom of the ocean while the entire world watched on live TV. Incredibly prestigious way to go out!

I saw online that since the victims all perished when the vessel imploded that it is very likely none of them knew what hit them.

In other words, there was no time for their brains to even process that they were about to die.

That is a huge relief to hear since imagining them all trapped for days in a cold, dark vessel with disappearing oxygen and no food sounded like the epitome of the worst way to die.

It seems this story has captured international interest.

The five lost at sea will be memorialized at two Titanic museums in the U.S.
Their names will be etched in a memorial wall at both locations.

Anonymous wrote:I agree with cusack that it’s telling how many governments and journalists rushed to the aid of this foolish party while hundreds of refugees sank in the Mediterranean. Guess poor lives don’t matter. We don’t send taxpayer funded rescue teams to mt Everest for lost climbers so Why is my money being spent in this recovery effort?

These are two incomparable things. The Titan involved an American thought to be trapped and running out of oxygen in a submarine for days off the North American coast.

That's different than a migrant boat capsizing off the coast of Greece or Italy. And they get migrant boats continuously and do rescues.

Loss of life is loss regardless of where in the world or who for sure, but you can't compare these 2 different things like it's the same.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read 140 pages but… have they found bodies?

Unlikely, given what that amount of pressure does to bodies.

There will be no bodies. Maybe trace amounts of DNA, but at that point, who cares what's in a water sample?

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OSHA exists for a reason.

The GOP guts it for a reason

Anonymous wrote:journalists rushed to the aid of this foolish party

How did journalists physically rush to the aid of this foolish party? Get a grip.

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read 140 pages but… have they found bodies?

They won't. They were pulverized.

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read 140 pages but… have they found bodies?

Unlikely, given what that amount of pressure does to bodies.