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Anonymous wrote:I think most kids would feel insulted if they were redshirted; like their parents thought they weren't smart enough to be on a normal schedule.

I know my son would. He'd be embarrassed to tell other people how old he was turning.

Doesn't this depend on the kid's birthday? My kid wasn't redshirted but gets upset that she is always the youngest. She gets left out of summer camps with age cutoffs and plays down a level in team sports (the right age, but lower grade, so not with her classmates). It's very frustrating to her. If we lived in Maryland she'd be in the lower grade, but we're in Virginia with a Sept 30th cutoff. If anything, she's embarrassed by her birthday now because she doesn't like being the youngest.

She's not having to go those summer camps any later in her life. She's just completing her education earlier in her life. She'd be playing with the same sports teams that she is in this moment in time even if she were a grade below. The only difference is that she would be less educated.

Yeah, but she's being left out. Her whole girl scout troop signed up for camp together. She is the only one who can't go because she's too young. Her besties from preschool signed up for swim team. She can't be at their practice because she swims with the lower age group. Her best friend from school wanted her to sign up for the same day camp that includes a trip to a water park, but she can't because she doesn't make the age cutoff. I promise you that she doesn't care one but how educated she is for being 7, but she absolutely cares about being with her classmates. And no, it doesn't make her feel better when I tell her she can go next year with a group of kids she doesn't know from the grade behind her.

Well, it's difficult to view the world objectively at the age of 7. She will learn to adopt that line of thinking one day though.

Anonymous wrote:No kid thinks other kids were “held back”. Schools don’t hold kids back any more. That’s not a thing.

Yes, plenty of kids think that, or they think they’re “slow.” Sorry, defensive redshirt mom.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, but they are also learning US History as a 18 year old while all of their classmates are 17.

They learned geoemetry when they were 15 when all of their classmates were 14.

They feel dumb because they are the oldest and learning the same things most of their peers a year younger are learning.

Why? because their parents didn't think they could compete with kids their own age, so gave them the "gift of time" so they could be a year older and more mature when learning as compared to their peers.

Huh? My non redshirted kids turn 18 in the fall of senior year. It’s totally normal. The birthdays span at least 12 months in a school year. The kids don’t all have spring birthdays. Did you do any math in school? Pretty sure you are the dumb one.

Yes, your non red shirted kid turns 18 during their senior year. A redshirted kid would turn 19 during their senior year (further towards the end of the year, granted)

My non-redshirted kid turns 18 a month after she starts college. She turns 19 as a sophomore.

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Anonymous wrote:I think most kids would feel insulted if they were redshirted; like their parents thought they weren't smart enough to be on a normal schedule.

I know my son would. He'd be embarrassed to tell other people how old he was turning.

Doesn't this depend on the kid's birthday? My kid wasn't redshirted but gets upset that she is always the youngest. She gets left out of summer camps with age cutoffs and plays down a level in team sports (the right age, but lower grade, so not with her classmates). It's very frustrating to her. If we lived in Maryland she'd be in the lower grade, but we're in Virginia with a Sept 30th cutoff. If anything, she's embarrassed by her birthday now because she doesn't like being the youngest.

She's not having to go those summer camps any later in her life. She's just completing her education earlier in her life. She'd be playing with the same sports teams that she is in this moment in time even if she were a grade below. The only difference is that she would be less educated.

Yeah, but she's being left out. Her whole girl scout troop signed up for camp together. She is the only one who can't go because she's too young. Her besties from preschool signed up for swim team. She can't be at their practice because she swims with the lower age group. Her best friend from school wanted her to sign up for the same day camp that includes a trip to a water park, but she can't because she doesn't make the age cutoff. I promise you that she doesn't care one but how educated she is for being 7, but she absolutely cares about being with her classmates. And no, it doesn't make her feel better when I tell her she can go next year with a group of kids she doesn't know from the grade behind her.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, but they are also learning US History as a 18 year old while all of their classmates are 17.

They learned geoemetry when they were 15 when all of their classmates were 14.

They feel dumb because they are the oldest and learning the same things most of their peers a year younger are learning.

Why? because their parents didn't think they could compete with kids their own age, so gave them the "gift of time" so they could be a year older and more mature when learning as compared to their peers.

Huh? My non redshirted kids turn 18 in the fall of senior year. It’s totally normal. The birthdays span at least 12 months in a school year. The kids don’t all have spring birthdays. Did you do any math in school? Pretty sure you are the dumb one.

Yes, your non red shirted kid turns 18 during their senior year. A redshirted kid would turn 19 during their senior year (further towards the end of the year, granted)

US History is traditionally a junior year course.

Who is the dumb one?

Anonymous wrote:Right, but they are also learning US History as a 18 year old while all of their classmates are 17.

They learned geoemetry when they were 15 when all of their classmates were 14.

They feel dumb because they are the oldest and learning the same things most of their peers a year younger are learning.

Why? because their parents didn't think they could compete with kids their own age, so gave them the "gift of time" so they could be a year older and more mature when learning as compared to their peers.

Huh? My non redshirted kids turn 18 in the fall of senior year. It’s totally normal. The birthdays span at least 12 months in a school year. The kids don’t all have spring birthdays. Did you do any math in school? Pretty sure you are the dumb one.

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Anonymous wrote:I think most kids would feel insulted if they were redshirted; like their parents thought they weren't smart enough to be on a normal schedule.

I know my son would. He'd be embarrassed to tell other people how old he was turning.

You have no idea what he would do. I know loads of redshirted kids including one of my own. This has never been an issue. But you won't be convinced, you're living in your own fantasy world.

I have seen this play out in middle and high school. Why is Bobby already driving as a freshman? Sure it is cool for a week, but then everyone realizes, Bobby is a year older. Strange.

I saw it during kindergarten. My DD went to a birthday party in April/May. The boy had a big number 7 on his cake. I was surprised and my DD asked me why her friend was turning 7. She had just 6 in April and she had been to a lot of parties that school year when kids were turning 6. Kids know how old they are supposed to be turning and when a kid is a full year older than them, they wonder why.

If I had redshirted my daughter she would have started K at 5 turning 6. She would have turned 7 in 1st grade, instead of 2nd.

Ok, and if someone with a birthday a few months earlier redshirts, their kid starts K already at age 6 and turns 7 at the end of the school year- in June for example, if you’re in Maryland with a Sept 1 cutoff

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Anonymous wrote:I think most kids would feel insulted if they were redshirted; like their parents thought they weren't smart enough to be on a normal schedule.

I know my son would. He'd be embarrassed to tell other people how old he was turning.

Doesn't this depend on the kid's birthday? My kid wasn't redshirted but gets upset that she is always the youngest. She gets left out of summer camps with age cutoffs and plays down a level in team sports (the right age, but lower grade, so not with her classmates). It's very frustrating to her. If we lived in Maryland she'd be in the lower grade, but we're in Virginia with a Sept 30th cutoff. If anything, she's embarrassed by her birthday now because she doesn't like being the youngest.

She's not having to go those summer camps any later in her life. She's just completing her education earlier in her life. She'd be playing with the same sports teams that she is in this moment in time even if she were a grade below. The only difference is that she would be less educated.

Right, but they are also learning US History as a 18 year old while all of their classmates are 17.

They learned geoemetry when they were 15 when all of their classmates were 14.

They feel dumb because they are the oldest and learning the same things most of their peers a year younger are learning.

Why? because their parents didn't think they could compete with kids their own age, so gave them the "gift of time" so they could be a year older and more mature when learning as compared to their peers.

Anonymous wrote:The older boys in middle school and early high school tended to be bigger, more athletic, the girls liked them, and they got to drive sooner.

They did NOT drive sooner, not really. They still got their licenses at 16, the only difference being they were 10th graders instead of 11th graders. This is an argument I hear all the time. In reality, how old is someone will be at a given point in time is set in stone at their birth, while where they're going to be in their school at a given point in time can vary, but people like you act like it's the other way around. Someone born in October of 2016 will be able to drive in October of 2032, regardless of whether they're a 10th grader or an 11th grader at that point, and drink on October of 2037, regardless of whether they're a college junior or a college senior at that point. The set of people in the world who can drive and drink before and after them will be the same no matter what

A redshirted student be able to drive and drink sooner. They'll just achieve all their educational milestones, such as graduating from high school and college, later. If you want your kid to "drive sooner". that would really mean wanting them to drive before they're 15-and-a-half and wanting to drive independently before they're 16. If that's the case, just make sure there are no officers around when they get behind the wheel. I think it's much more embarrassing to be the only one in your age group who doesn't have a high school diploma or a college degree than it is to be the only one in your graduating class who doesn't have a driver's license or the right to go into bars. So, the correct to phrase the hold part of your statement would be, "they were less educated than most of their peers by the time they got to drive".

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Anonymous wrote:I think most kids would feel insulted if they were redshirted; like their parents thought they weren't smart enough to be on a normal schedule.

I know my son would. He'd be embarrassed to tell other people how old he was turning.

You have no idea what he would do. I know loads of redshirted kids including one of my own. This has never been an issue. But you won't be convinced, you're living in your own fantasy world.

I have seen this play out in middle and high school. Why is Bobby already driving as a freshman? Sure it is cool for a week, but then everyone realizes, Bobby is a year older. Strange.

I saw it during kindergarten. My DD went to a birthday party in April/May. The boy had a big number 7 on his cake. I was surprised and my DD asked me why her friend was turning 7. She had just 6 in April and she had been to a lot of parties that school year when kids were turning 6. Kids know how old they are supposed to be turning and when a kid is a full year older than them, they wonder why.

If I had redshirted my daughter she would have started K at 5 turning 6. She would have turned 7 in 1st grade, instead of 2nd.

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Anonymous wrote:I think most kids would feel insulted if they were redshirted; like their parents thought they weren't smart enough to be on a normal schedule.

I know my son would. He'd be embarrassed to tell other people how old he was turning.

You have no idea what he would do. I know loads of redshirted kids including one of my own. This has never been an issue. But you won't be convinced, you're living in your own fantasy world.

I have seen this play out in middle and high school. Why is Bobby already driving as a freshman? Sure it is cool for a week, but then everyone realizes, Bobby is a year older. Strange.

I saw it during kindergarten. My DD went to a birthday party in April/May. The boy had a big number 7 on his cake. I was surprised and my DD asked me why her friend was turning 7. She had just 6 in April and she had been to a lot of parties that school year when kids were turning 6. Kids know how old they are supposed to be turning and when a kid is a full year older than them, they wonder why.

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Anonymous wrote:I think most kids would feel insulted if they were redshirted; like their parents thought they weren't smart enough to be on a normal schedule.

I know my son would. He'd be embarrassed to tell other people how old he was turning.

Doesn't this depend on the kid's birthday? My kid wasn't redshirted but gets upset that she is always the youngest. She gets left out of summer camps with age cutoffs and plays down a level in team sports (the right age, but lower grade, so not with her classmates). It's very frustrating to her. If we lived in Maryland she'd be in the lower grade, but we're in Virginia with a Sept 30th cutoff. If anything, she's embarrassed by her birthday now because she doesn't like being the youngest.

Anonymous wrote:No kid thinks other kids were “held back”. Schools don’t hold kids back any more. That’s not a thing.

Which makes it even weirder that a parent would do it to their kid voluntarily. They simply believe their kid HAS to have that extra year so they can compete with kids a year younger once in the classroom.