Instead of saying no and being paralyzed with the enormous undertaking reparations would be, focus on the how.

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Anonymous wrote:How much do people think they should get in reparations? How "black" does one need to be to get reparations? If I have a great great grandparent that was black, does that mean I get reparations even if I have a Chinese grandparent and three seemingly white other grandparents? Are we going to genetically test people?

She addresses eligibility in her essay.

Perhaps you can share that information then because doing a find on “eligibility” turns up nothing. Again, how much MONEY do you want?

Perhaps you can read it.

It’s a freaking manifesto that’s way TLDR.

Anonymous wrote:I believe in reparations, but just don't think it's possible. I just want equity in economic and housing policies. Real equity. Affirmative Action benefited white women the most, but got a bad rap. I think we need to rethink Affirmative Action.

White women are a marginalized group, so....

Anonymous wrote:So we have that same racist Chinese immigrant pp going on and on about his tough life, and why he supports Trump. I called him a deplorable on another thread and I am calling him deplorable here too. Why Jeff did not block him years ago is beyond me.
So insane he is that he is in favor of Trump to avoid dictatorship regime!

Different Chinese poster.

Back in China, we don't have the same sort of social services you see here. You can't go any work anywhere you want, purchase property or have your kids go to public school anywhere you want legally, you are actually tied to a certain area via the Hukuo, or residency system. This has lead to a huge problem of urban poverty as the government was trying not to let everyone move to the cities, and massive abuse of migrants who do move.

Average classroom size in China is usually well over 50 kids, though many of my classes as a child had 80+ kids. The government didn't provide us with free lunch, IEPs etc. In the college system you have to test into your major and school. You can't easily change majors. Corruption is much higher on all levels.

If you grow up in this country, you've hit the global lottery. There are huge advantages that many should take advantage of here, but don't. This is why we sign up for every eligble program we can once we come here, so our kids are well fed and taken care of so they can focus on academics.

Anonymous wrote:I absolutely agree that systemic racism in nearly all aspects of society have put African Americans at a significant disadvantage in life. And I think I agree with the essay's assertion that the wealth gap is a fairly large part of why it is hard for public policies to break free of the vicious cycle we're in.

The article spent a lot of time arguing why reparations are important (and perhaps "fair") but didn't make much of an argument that particular types of reparations (such as the cash payments it calls for) would actually help. If anything, the article's assertion that much of this comes down to a wealth gap makes me think that cash payments *wouldn't* help. I don't think it's realistic to think that lump sum payments on that scale would be: 1) politically or financially feasible, or 2) particularly likely to have a long-term impact.

+1. The author says only that "Congress" will pay. There's no real suggestion for how Congress should structure the taxes to obtain that money, how much would be sufficient, or how long the payments should be made. Also, it glosses over the global problem of wealth inequality generally. If we give astronomical wealth to 100 black families and then give the rest of the black population the same meager levels (but admittedly better than many black families enjoy) of wealth white people generally have, is that sufficient?

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Anonymous wrote:Let's start with Democrats to fund this reparations since we know that they're the party of slavery. Obama should sell his Hawaii, Martha's Vineyard and DC homes, which will be approximately $35 million to seed this fund. Dont get me started on Oprah...

Funny, you only suggest two black people.

His mom is multi-generational American White, and his dad was born in Kenya so he was never subject to slavery. Obama is therefore the beneficiary of past slavery against African Americans, as the logic goes.

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Anonymous wrote:How much do people think they should get in reparations? How "black" does one need to be to get reparations? If I have a great great grandparent that was black, does that mean I get reparations even if I have a Chinese grandparent and three seemingly white other grandparents? Are we going to genetically test people?

She addresses eligibility in her essay.

Not very well.

I absolutely agree that systemic racism in nearly all aspects of society have put African Americans at a significant disadvantage in life. And I think I agree with the essay's assertion that the wealth gap is a fairly large part of why it is hard for public policies to break free of the vicious cycle we're in.

The article spent a lot of time arguing why reparations are important (and perhaps "fair") but didn't make much of an argument that particular types of reparations (such as the cash payments it calls for) would actually help. If anything, the article's assertion that much of this comes down to a wealth gap makes me think that cash payments *wouldn't* help. I don't think it's realistic to think that lump sum payments on that scale would be: 1) politically or financially feasible, or 2) particularly likely to have a long-term impact.

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Anonymous wrote:So we have that same racist Chinese immigrant pp going on and on about his tough life, and why he supports Trump. I called him a deplorable on another thread and I am calling him deplorable here too. Why Jeff did not block him years ago is beyond me.
So insane he is that he is in favor of Trump to avoid dictatorship regime!

Jeff has already deleted pages of dialog relevant to the title of this thread...not enough for you? You realize this is an anonymous discussion board right? Maybe you should sign in to the political discussion board that requires a username.

It wasn’t relevant to the OP at all. You are welcome to start your own thread.

Just as you are welcome to create a thread whose title is relevant to the discussion you want to lead. If you create a thread titled "It's time for reparations" you'd better be prepared to discuss exactly that.

Anonymous wrote:Let's start with Democrats to fund this reparations since we know that they're the party of slavery. Obama should sell his Hawaii, Martha's Vineyard and DC homes, which will be approximately $35 million to seed this fund. Dont get me started on Oprah...

Democrat was the party of slavery? How many Democrats were there in the 17th and 18th century?

Anonymous wrote:Ultimately, there are some problems in the black community that only the black community can fix. And white liberals are sending the message that everything is white people’s fault and that black people don’t have to change anything. This will just result in more of the same and nothing will ever change, even if a bunch of money is thrown at the problems.

I think there are some problems in the black community that only the black community can fix. But, it's probably not for white people to make too much of those problems. Too often that's an excuse white people use for doing nothing. That said, there might be more comfort among reluctant whites to take something like reparations seriously if it was part of a two pronged approach where the black community was making efforts to address those issues internally. (And, for all I know, there is such an effort - prioritize education, long-term saving, self-policing to reduce criminal activity or whatever they view the internal problems as being.)

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Anonymous wrote:Ultimately, there are some problems in the black community that only the black community can fix. And white liberals are sending the message that everything is white people’s fault and that black people don’t have to change anything. This will just result in more of the same and nothing will ever change, even if a bunch of money is thrown at the problems.

How can the black community fix the wealth gap/economic inequality on its own?

Maybe they can ask Asians how they did it. Maybe a cross-race mentorship program or something.

Yeah. And maybe they can teach Asians and other recent immigrant communities to fight for their rights instead of running away to another country.

Thanks for demonstrating why African American community is so prone to failure. When shown an example of success, you respond with ridicule and dismissal, as if Africans have stopped "running away" to the US. Enjoy your broken neighborhoods filled with poverty, drugs, and violence.

Why are you assuming PP is African American who live in a broken neighborhood? It was a rude response but I'm not sure why you are assuming anything about PP's race and neighborhood.

Hmm, you are right, should not have assumed. My fault.

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Anonymous wrote:So we have that same racist Chinese immigrant pp going on and on about his tough life, and why he supports Trump. I called him a deplorable on another thread and I am calling him deplorable here too. Why Jeff did not block him years ago is beyond me.
So insane he is that he is in favor of Trump to avoid dictatorship regime!

Jeff has already deleted pages of dialog relevant to the title of this thread...not enough for you? You realize this is an anonymous discussion board right? Maybe you should sign in to the political discussion board that requires a username.

It wasn’t relevant to the OP at all. You are welcome to start your own thread.

DP, yes it was. But you have a very strange idea of what discussion means do not surprised.

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Anonymous wrote:So we have that same racist Chinese immigrant pp going on and on about his tough life, and why he supports Trump. I called him a deplorable on another thread and I am calling him deplorable here too. Why Jeff did not block him years ago is beyond me.
So insane he is that he is in favor of Trump to avoid dictatorship regime!

Jeff has already deleted pages of dialog relevant to the title of this thread...not enough for you? You realize this is an anonymous discussion board right? Maybe you should sign in to the political discussion board that requires a username.

It wasn’t relevant to the OP at all. You are welcome to start your own thread.

Anonymous wrote:So we have that same racist Chinese immigrant pp going on and on about his tough life, and why he supports Trump. I called him a deplorable on another thread and I am calling him deplorable here too. Why Jeff did not block him years ago is beyond me.
So insane he is that he is in favor of Trump to avoid dictatorship regime!

Oh wow, I didn't know I got under your skin so much. Go ahead and call me a deplorable and a racist, people like you are big on labels but come up shy in content. Enjoy your time in the shallow end of the pool.