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Anonymous wrote:He is an ADULT. Let him deal with it!!!!

This.

You have to stop now or you’ll feel compelled to speak to his supervisor at his first real job.

This is obviously a mom. A man would not be concerned with this shit.

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My point is, college kids know, even if we don’t, even if it was different when we were there or we think it should be different. The college kids know to check the due date and know what it means.

I relayed OP's story to my DS (rising sophomore) and his not-so-professional opinion is that the professor is a d*ck.

He got credit for something that was technically late just this week. It was a different situation - the professor changed the deadline the day before it was due (from Tuesday midnight to Tuesday noon, not realizing that students enrolled in one online summer class are not checking Canvas religiously - there was no email or notification). Son had done three parts early, but initially had a zero on the 4th because he did it Tuesday evening. The professor went back and graded it and bumped his grade back up to an A- from a B.

My point is, college kids know, even if we don’t, even if it was different when we were there or we think it should be different. The college kids know to check the due date and know what it means.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing this to speeding or filing taxes. It's neither of those things.

The student has probably heard "don't wait until the last minute" hundreds of times in their life, but they've just finally learned the lesson.

Of course, he shouldn't have waited until the last minute. No one is arguing that. The question is - what is the last minute? Does it end at 11:59:00 or 11:59:59? And clearly people interpret that differently. Otherwise there wouldn't be 15 pages of responses.

I have two kids in two different colleges. I let them read the OP. Neither one was surprised. They said professors set a time and that is it. One said that 11:59:00 is a common deadline at his school. He’s taking a summer class right now and has an assignment due today. When he came downstairs earlier, I asked him when his assignment was due. He said 11:59:59. He said the whole thing.

My point is, college kids know, even if we don’t, even if it was different when we were there or we think it should be different. The college kids know to check the due date and know what it means.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing this to speeding or filing taxes. It's neither of those things.

The student has probably heard "don't wait until the last minute" hundreds of times in their life, but they've just finally learned the lesson.

Of course, he shouldn't have waited until the last minute. No one is arguing that. The question is - what is the last minute? Does it end at 11:59:00 or 11:59:59? And clearly people interpret that differently. Otherwise there wouldn't be 15 pages of responses.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a counterexample for OP's situation. I am professor who also posts a midnight due date on my final class project. All these years I did not realize that it really was an 11:59pm due time (don't ask how I got confused on that). The only reason I ever realized it is that last year, a student e-mailed me that they had submitted the assignment one minute late, got the notification that it was a late submission, and wanted to make sure I knew it was their fault and not the fault of their other group members. They volunteered to personally take the full grade penalty for the entire team.

Well, little did the students know that I don't care at all if the assignment is a few minutes late, or really even a few hours late. I didn't penalize the student or the group. BUT, I quite admired this student for accepting responsibility, reaching out to me immediately and volunteering to take one for their team without any expectation or request for leniency.

Unfortunately, it's very rare to see people taking personal responsibility anymore. More commonly, we have people like OP

I had a few profs who thought they were God-like. These are typically weak people, double-chin fat slobs most wouldn’t hang with in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing this to speeding or filing taxes. It's neither of those things.

The student has probably heard "don't wait until the last minute" hundreds of times in their life, but they've just finally learned the lesson.

Of course, he shouldn't have waited until the last minute. No one is arguing that. The question is - what is the last minute? Does it end at 11:59:00 or 11:59:59? And clearly people interpret that differently. Otherwise there wouldn't be 15 pages of responses.

Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing this to speeding or filing taxes. It's neither of those things.

The student has probably heard "don't wait until the last minute" hundreds of times in their life, but they've just finally learned the lesson.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a counterexample for OP's situation. I am professor who also posts a midnight due date on my final class project. All these years I did not realize that it really was an 11:59pm due time (don't ask how I got confused on that). The only reason I ever realized it is that last year, a student e-mailed me that they had submitted the assignment one minute late, got the notification that it was a late submission, and wanted to make sure I knew it was their fault and not the fault of their other group members. They volunteered to personally take the full grade penalty for the entire team.

Well, little did the students know that I don't care at all if the assignment is a few minutes late, or really even a few hours late. I didn't penalize the student or the group. BUT, I quite admired this student for accepting responsibility, reaching out to me immediately and volunteering to take one for their team without any expectation or request for leniency.

Unfortunately, it's very rare to see people taking personal responsibility anymore. More commonly, we have people like OP

Also, maybe this has been said (I didn't read through this entire thread), but does OP really think that "higher ups" can do anything? Did you actually think professors have a boss? We have a department chair and dean that we elect, and there's very little they can do about issues like this. I'd have to go on some kind of insane racist rant in the middle of class or have a complete mental breakdown and fail the entire class for the school to step in and do anything. Professors are, to a large extent, their own bosses.

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A cop that tickets everyone at 65.1 is not being consistent. S/he’s showing inexperience.

I think cops ticketing everyone at 65.1 is the very definition of consistent. Perhaps English is not your first language?

No cop ever gives out tickets to EVERYONE who sports over 65 mph. Maybe you are not an American to know this. That’s a rookie mistake trying to ticket EVERYONE who goes over 65.

To go back to the example earlier in the thread, the problem with "discretion" is that it can be abused. I don't think everyone who goes 65.1 should be ticketed, but we know from data around traffic stops that Black and brown Americans are exponentially more likely to be pulled over for going 67 in a 65, or for having a tail-light out. These are pretext stops. Then, Black and brown Americans are more likely to have their cars searched after one of those pretext stops, even though whites are more likely to have contraband.

I actually prefer the professor's system with no discretion, since discretion can be and is abused.

Anonymous wrote:Here's a counterexample for OP's situation. I am professor who also posts a midnight due date on my final class project. All these years I did not realize that it really was an 11:59pm due time (don't ask how I got confused on that). The only reason I ever realized it is that last year, a student e-mailed me that they had submitted the assignment one minute late, got the notification that it was a late submission, and wanted to make sure I knew it was their fault and not the fault of their other group members. They volunteered to personally take the full grade penalty for the entire team.

Well, little did the students know that I don't care at all if the assignment is a few minutes late, or really even a few hours late. I didn't penalize the student or the group. BUT, I quite admired this student for accepting responsibility, reaching out to me immediately and volunteering to take one for their team without any expectation or request for leniency.

Unfortunately, it's very rare to see people taking personal responsibility anymore. More commonly, we have people like OP