Anonymous
06/02/2020 18:07
Subject: Re:Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Mandatory requirements......or what?
It would be good to know the legal landscape here.
Virginia Dept of Health is making their own rules. Pools in other states are not as restrictive. Given such an overwhelming crisis one group of people should not be so powerful.
So arbitrary. The rules for athletic activities allow for contact between family members and incidental contact between non-family members. A family should be able to use a cordoned off section of an outdoor pool.
Did somebody on the governor’s team have a bad experience at a pool as a kid?
No, the governor just wants complete control of Virginia while he floats in his personal
Pool and we watch our family and friends in other states return to sports, friends, pools, etc
Anyway, our pool is doing phase 1 now and based on our membership and the deck space we have and the creativity of our board president, I don’t see how we can’t work around this and make it work while following these guidelines. He said groups of 50 so why can’t that be done on a pool deck? He even said chairs can be used.
I don’t see where it requires a pool deck to reduce capacity, but to play nice we could do 50.
Anonymous
06/02/2020 18:05
Subject: Re:Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Mandatory requirements......or what?
It would be good to know the legal landscape here.
Virginia Dept of Health is making their own rules. Pools in other states are not as restrictive. Given such an overwhelming crisis one group of people should not be so powerful.
So arbitrary. The rules for athletic activities allow for contact between family members and incidental contact between non-family members. A family should be able to use a cordoned off section of an outdoor pool.
Did somebody on the governor’s team have a bad experience at a pool as a kid?
No, the governor just wants complete control of Virginia while he floats in his personal
Pool and we watch our family and friends in other states return to sports, friends, pools, etc
Anyway, our pool is doing phase 1 now and based on our membership and the deck space we have and the creativity of our board president, I don’t see how we can’t work around this and make it work while following these guidelines. He said groups of 50 so why can’t that be done on a pool deck? He even said chairs can be used.
We are doing Phase 1 too and are being a bit broad in our definition of a “lap lane” and “laps”. Still, it is all with common sense.
Anonymous
06/02/2020 18:01
Subject: Re:Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Mandatory requirements......or what?
It would be good to know the legal landscape here.
Virginia Dept of Health is making their own rules. Pools in other states are not as restrictive. Given such an overwhelming crisis one group of people should not be so powerful.
So arbitrary. The rules for athletic activities allow for contact between family members and incidental contact between non-family members. A family should be able to use a cordoned off section of an outdoor pool.
Did somebody on the governor’s team have a bad experience at a pool as a kid?
No, the governor just wants complete control of Virginia while he floats in his personal
Pool and we watch our family and friends in other states return to sports, friends, pools, etc
Anyway, our pool is doing phase 1 now and based on our membership and the deck space we have and the creativity of our board president, I don’t see how we can’t work around this and make it work while following these guidelines. He said groups of 50 so why can’t that be done on a pool deck? He even said chairs can be used.
Anonymous
06/02/2020 17:58
Subject: Re:Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
Anonymous wrote:Mandatory requirements......or what?
It would be good to know the legal landscape here.
Virginia Dept of Health is making their own rules. Pools in other states are not as restrictive. Given such an overwhelming crisis one group of people should not be so powerful.
So arbitrary. The rules for athletic activities allow for contact between family members and incidental contact between non-family members. A family should be able to use a cordoned off section of an outdoor pool.
Did somebody on the governor’s team have a bad experience at a pool as a kid?
Anonymous
06/02/2020 17:48
Subject: Re:Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
Mandatory requirements......or what?
It would be good to know the legal landscape here.
Virginia Dept of Health is making their own rules. Pools in other states are not as restrictive. Given such an overwhelming crisis one group of people should not be so powerful.
It would be good to know the legal landscape here.
Virginia Dept of Health is making their own rules. Pools in other states are not as restrictive. Given such an overwhelming crisis one group of people should not be so powerful.
Anonymous
06/02/2020 17:32
Subject: Re:Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
Anonymous wrote:These are just guidelines. Guidelines are recommendations. One group (the Governor and department of Health) should not have This much power over every facet of our lives. They have power over how we can open schools, when we can open restaurants, and how we can open pools. This is too much power for one group. What if they are wrong! Or what if they are just overly cautious people by nature.
I wish there could be some consolidated push-back At the community pool level to acknowledge the recommendations, determine they are not practical and may not be warranted, and then Allow pool members to sign waivers and have a normal summer. Strength in numbers.
I think there may be push back, but the section about pools specifically says: Mandatory Requirements:
Why indoor and outdoor pools are lumped together is beyond me.
Anonymous
06/02/2020 17:25
Subject: Re:Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
These are just guidelines. Guidelines are recommendations. One group (the Governor and department of Health) should not have This much power over every facet of our lives. They have power over how we can open schools, when we can open restaurants, and how we can open pools. This is too much power for one group. What if they are wrong! Or what if they are just overly cautious people by nature.
I wish there could be some consolidated push-back At the community pool level to acknowledge the recommendations, determine they are not practical and may not be warranted, and then Allow pool members to sign waivers and have a normal summer. Strength in numbers.
I wish there could be some consolidated push-back At the community pool level to acknowledge the recommendations, determine they are not practical and may not be warranted, and then Allow pool members to sign waivers and have a normal summer. Strength in numbers.
Anonymous
06/02/2020 17:19
Subject: Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think outdoor pools got screwed.
https://www.governor.virginia.gov/media/governorvirginiagov/governor-of-virginia/pdf/Virginia-Forward-Phase-Two-Guidelines.pdf
Well it does say seating provided. Right now our pool isn’t doing seating. But this could potentially mean a family can take turns in the lane and sit on deck.
That’s a good point.
So a family can’t reserve a baby pool?
no- it specifically disallows 'splash pads'
These are stupid guidelines. Its hard to figure out what is intended. The incentive is to kind of ignore them- everything is 'exercise' which, quite frankly, it is.
Right. I was thinking a baby pool doesn’t allow for exercise, but you are right. To a two year old it is very good exercise.
Anonymous
06/02/2020 17:07
Subject: Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
splash pads would be county run. Likely not a baby pool. Although these guidelines do restrict free movement between big pool and baby pool.
But, the more I think about it, pools can get quite creative. And with crowds of 50 and moving around ropes, there are plenty of ways to follow rules and make it work.
But, the more I think about it, pools can get quite creative. And with crowds of 50 and moving around ropes, there are plenty of ways to follow rules and make it work.
Anonymous
06/02/2020 16:56
Subject: Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think outdoor pools got screwed.
https://www.governor.virginia.gov/media/governorvirginiagov/governor-of-virginia/pdf/Virginia-Forward-Phase-Two-Guidelines.pdf
Well it does say seating provided. Right now our pool isn’t doing seating. But this could potentially mean a family can take turns in the lane and sit on deck.
That’s a good point.
So a family can’t reserve a baby pool?
no- it specifically disallows 'splash pads'
These are stupid guidelines. Its hard to figure out what is intended. The incentive is to kind of ignore them- everything is 'exercise' which, quite frankly, it is.
Anonymous
06/02/2020 16:54
Subject: Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think outdoor pools got screwed.
https://www.governor.virginia.gov/media/governorvirginiagov/governor-of-virginia/pdf/Virginia-Forward-Phase-Two-Guidelines.pdf
Well it does say seating provided. Right now our pool isn’t doing seating. But this could potentially mean a family can take turns in the lane and sit on deck.
And 3 people per lane 10 feet apart.
We could cut a few of our lanes in half. Shorter “laps”. Maybe three in half a lane from the same family for “exercise”? That would open up our dive well.
Anonymous
06/02/2020 16:53
Subject: Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think outdoor pools got screwed.
https://www.governor.virginia.gov/media/governorvirginiagov/governor-of-virginia/pdf/Virginia-Forward-Phase-Two-Guidelines.pdf
Hmmm. That’s a tough one. On the one hand, it says “lap swimming, diving, exercise, and instruction only.” On the other hand, they are allowed to have seating on pool decks at least 10’ apart. A pool could say that basically anything happening in the pool is “exercise” in the sense that it is, in fact, physical activity. And with seating being allowed (which it is not in phase 1), I think the door could possibly be open for recreational pool usage.
Possibly. But a 6 lane pool is limited to 18 swimmers staying apart...hmm
Anonymous
06/02/2020 16:52
Subject: Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think outdoor pools got screwed.
https://www.governor.virginia.gov/media/governorvirginiagov/governor-of-virginia/pdf/Virginia-Forward-Phase-Two-Guidelines.pdf
Well it does say seating provided. Right now our pool isn’t doing seating. But this could potentially mean a family can take turns in the lane and sit on deck.
That’s a good point.
So a family can’t reserve a baby pool?
Anonymous
06/02/2020 16:50
Subject: Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think outdoor pools got screwed.
https://www.governor.virginia.gov/media/governorvirginiagov/governor-of-virginia/pdf/Virginia-Forward-Phase-Two-Guidelines.pdf
Well it does say seating provided. Right now our pool isn’t doing seating. But this could potentially mean a family can take turns in the lane and sit on deck.
And 3 people per lane 10 feet apart.
Anonymous
06/02/2020 16:49
Subject: Which summer swim clubs are opening (nova)
Anonymous wrote:I think outdoor pools got screwed.
https://www.governor.virginia.gov/media/governorvirginiagov/governor-of-virginia/pdf/Virginia-Forward-Phase-Two-Guidelines.pdf
Hmmm. That’s a tough one. On the one hand, it says “lap swimming, diving, exercise, and instruction only.” On the other hand, they are allowed to have seating on pool decks at least 10’ apart. A pool could say that basically anything happening in the pool is “exercise” in the sense that it is, in fact, physical activity. And with seating being allowed (which it is not in phase 1), I think the door could possibly be open for recreational pool usage.