Anonymous wrote:Are there neighborhood swim teams that don’t take all the kids who want to swim who can do a lap?

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Anonymous wrote:my kids are decidedly B meet on a huge team, but the super fast A kids were usually at practices, parties, B meets, "big buddies" for the younger kids, etc. I didn't realize it was a thing to not practice with your summer team before I read it on here.

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Anonymous wrote:Just told my A meet summer swimming only 10 year old and she was sad but not surprised. I hope these tough conversations go well for others too. Kids are showing remarkable resilience in the face of sadness.

This is a weird response. What difference does it make if she's an A meet swimmer. Nobody cares.

The parent cares. A meet/ B meet hierarchy is important.

If her non year round swimmer goes to a meets, she’ll likely go every year bc of the type of team she has or the team’s age group makeup. The child also doesn’t swim year round. That means that it could easily not be that big of a deal to a child like this. A child who loves swimming, swims year round, would be at the top of his/her age group this year, loves summer swim friends, has a good shot at all stars, etc would be more upset. So saying that information about her kid tells the reader to take her kid’s reaction with a grain of salt.

I'm still not following. The PP seemed to go out of her way to bring up that her DD was an A swimmer like anyone on this board really cared. All we wanted was summer swim to take place...no one on this board cares about this one child who swims A meets. That's not why we're all here.

My year round team swimmer is not a fast swimmer but does it for the enjoyment and exercise. I feel bad for the kids whose parents push and make such a big deal out of winning and meets as it takes the fun out of it. Summer team is for fun. Most of the All starts and divisional kids aren't even participating on the summer teams except meets which should not be allowed. The teams use them for the wins and they use the teams for the meets. Its pretty sad. They should be required to practice at least 3 days a week if they want to go to meets and actually be a part of the team.

I think you are wrong about the elite swimmers not participating except for meets. They may not be at many practices, but mine are at every "dine out", they go to the B meets to support the team even if they are not swimming, they volunteer to help with the pre-team, they are at the banquet, and every Friday night spirit events!. And they usually come from the club practice to summer practice a couple of days a week just to see their friends. Swim practice doesn't work well with outliers in terms of speed. HS teams function the same way with the faster club swimmers doing their club practice. You can't run a practice that challenges three very fast kids unless you give them their own lane (and honesly, you'd probably complain if that was done at summer league practices)

Curious, . . . are you a stroke and turn official, a team rep, a referree, head timer, a starter, automation operator? Parents of non-year around swimmers can certainly do those jobs (and are often asked to), but in my experience they rarely do. They rely on the parents of yea-round swimmers, who draw on their knowledge of the sport, to make the summer league run smoothly. So if you want to do summer swimming without them, you'd need to be prepared to step it up in a mjor way.

We are year round swimmers. Why do you assume we aren't? People like you are exhausting. We let our kids enjoy swimming. You should try it. Yes, we are certified in several areas and my spouse does every A and B meet when they let us. We would love to be team rep or more involved but we have a team parent whose kids are no longer on the team refuse to let others help which is a huge issue on the team. We do as much as we are allowed and are at every meet, A and B and do anything ask, even last minute.

And, you proved the point, they should be made to do practices or they should not be allowed to compete. They aren't part of the team if they are not practicing with the team. You want your kids treated as more special. Our team gives lanes to the top A kids (low A kids don't get it) only so there are tons of kids in all the lanes and a few kids get the two A meet kid lanes.

P.S. your kids aren't actually helping at pre-team. Usually they are goofing off and hanging out together.

I agree with this PP that year round swimmers should do their summer team practice if the times don't conflict. I grew up swimming and used to do my club team's practice at 5:30 am then go to the summer league practice at my summer pool at 8 am or whatever it was. It was so easy compared to the club practice and I would get to see friends that didn't swim year round. It was swimming just for the fun of it. Oh and despite my deep involvement with the sport, my parents never for certified to do stroke and turn or any of that stuff. My mom would be a timer sometimes or maybe the snack bar and that was it. I think I stuck with it so long because my parents were not super involved... just supportive.

It’s not really fair to say they should go to practice if they don’t have a conflict. For us, it would mean, kids swimming 2 hours in a long course pool from 6-8 am 5 days a week and then one kid swimming from 9-10 and another kids swimming from 10-11 with those two practices way too easy. AND then swimming Monday evenings at a meet, Saturday mornings at a meet and several evenings for an hour each practice. My kids definitely go to summer swim practice but I don’t make them go based on no conflicts because they’d be at swim way too much or at way too easy practices over practices that are more level-appropriate for them. I think they should go 2 times a week or so to their summer practice.

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Anonymous wrote:Just told my A meet summer swimming only 10 year old and she was sad but not surprised. I hope these tough conversations go well for others too. Kids are showing remarkable resilience in the face of sadness.

This is a weird response. What difference does it make if she's an A meet swimmer. Nobody cares.

The parent cares. A meet/ B meet hierarchy is important.

If her non year round swimmer goes to a meets, she’ll likely go every year bc of the type of team she has or the team’s age group makeup. The child also doesn’t swim year round. That means that it could easily not be that big of a deal to a child like this. A child who loves swimming, swims year round, would be at the top of his/her age group this year, loves summer swim friends, has a good shot at all stars, etc would be more upset. So saying that information about her kid tells the reader to take her kid’s reaction with a grain of salt.

I'm still not following. The PP seemed to go out of her way to bring up that her DD was an A swimmer like anyone on this board really cared. All we wanted was summer swim to take place...no one on this board cares about this one child who swims A meets. That's not why we're all here.

My year round team swimmer is not a fast swimmer but does it for the enjoyment and exercise. I feel bad for the kids whose parents push and make such a big deal out of winning and meets as it takes the fun out of it. Summer team is for fun. Most of the All starts and divisional kids aren't even participating on the summer teams except meets which should not be allowed. The teams use them for the wins and they use the teams for the meets. Its pretty sad. They should be required to practice at least 3 days a week if they want to go to meets and actually be a part of the team.

I think you are wrong about the elite swimmers not participating except for meets. They may not be at many practices, but mine are at every "dine out", they go to the B meets to support the team even if they are not swimming, they volunteer to help with the pre-team, they are at the banquet, and every Friday night spirit events!. And they usually come from the club practice to summer practice a couple of days a week just to see their friends. Swim practice doesn't work well with outliers in terms of speed. HS teams function the same way with the faster club swimmers doing their club practice. You can't run a practice that challenges three very fast kids unless you give them their own lane (and honesly, you'd probably complain if that was done at summer league practices)

Curious, . . . are you a stroke and turn official, a team rep, a referree, head timer, a starter, automation operator? Parents of non-year around swimmers can certainly do those jobs (and are often asked to), but in my experience they rarely do. They rely on the parents of yea-round swimmers, who draw on their knowledge of the sport, to make the summer league run smoothly. So if you want to do summer swimming without them, you'd need to be prepared to step it up in a mjor way.

We are year round swimmers. Why do you assume we aren't? People like you are exhausting. We let our kids enjoy swimming. You should try it. Yes, we are certified in several areas and my spouse does every A and B meet when they let us. We would love to be team rep or more involved but we have a team parent whose kids are no longer on the team refuse to let others help which is a huge issue on the team. We do as much as we are allowed and are at every meet, A and B and do anything ask, even last minute.

And, you proved the point, they should be made to do practices or they should not be allowed to compete. They aren't part of the team if they are not practicing with the team. You want your kids treated as more special. Our team gives lanes to the top A kids (low A kids don't get it) only so there are tons of kids in all the lanes and a few kids get the two A meet kid lanes.

P.S. your kids aren't actually helping at pre-team. Usually they are goofing off and hanging out together.

I agree with this PP that year round swimmers should do their summer team practice if the times don't conflict. I grew up swimming and used to do my club team's practice at 5:30 am then go to the summer league practice at my summer pool at 8 am or whatever it was. It was so easy compared to the club practice and I would get to see friends that didn't swim year round. It was swimming just for the fun of it. Oh and despite my deep involvement with the sport, my parents never for certified to do stroke and turn or any of that stuff. My mom would be a timer sometimes or maybe the snack bar and that was it. I think I stuck with it so long because my parents were not super involved... just supportive.

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Anonymous wrote:Just told my A meet summer swimming only 10 year old and she was sad but not surprised. I hope these tough conversations go well for others too. Kids are showing remarkable resilience in the face of sadness.

This is a weird response. What difference does it make if she's an A meet swimmer. Nobody cares.

The parent cares. A meet/ B meet hierarchy is important.

If her non year round swimmer goes to a meets, she’ll likely go every year bc of the type of team she has or the team’s age group makeup. The child also doesn’t swim year round. That means that it could easily not be that big of a deal to a child like this. A child who loves swimming, swims year round, would be at the top of his/her age group this year, loves summer swim friends, has a good shot at all stars, etc would be more upset. So saying that information about her kid tells the reader to take her kid’s reaction with a grain of salt.

I'm still not following. The PP seemed to go out of her way to bring up that her DD was an A swimmer like anyone on this board really cared. All we wanted was summer swim to take place...no one on this board cares about this one child who swims A meets. That's not why we're all here.

My year round team swimmer is not a fast swimmer but does it for the enjoyment and exercise. I feel bad for the kids whose parents push and make such a big deal out of winning and meets as it takes the fun out of it. Summer team is for fun. Most of the All starts and divisional kids aren't even participating on the summer teams except meets which should not be allowed. The teams use them for the wins and they use the teams for the meets. Its pretty sad. They should be required to practice at least 3 days a week if they want to go to meets and actually be a part of the team.

I think you are wrong about the elite swimmers not participating except for meets. They may not be at many practices, but mine are at every "dine out", they go to the B meets to support the team even if they are not swimming, they volunteer to help with the pre-team, they are at the banquet, and every Friday night spirit events!. And they usually come from the club practice to summer practice a couple of days a week just to see their friends. Swim practice doesn't work well with outliers in terms of speed. HS teams function the same way with the faster club swimmers doing their club practice. You can't run a practice that challenges three very fast kids unless you give them their own lane (and honesly, you'd probably complain if that was done at summer league practices)

Curious, . . . are you a stroke and turn official, a team rep, a referree, head timer, a starter, automation operator? Parents of non-year around swimmers can certainly do those jobs (and are often asked to), but in my experience they rarely do. They rely on the parents of yea-round swimmers, who draw on their knowledge of the sport, to make the summer league run smoothly. So if you want to do summer swimming without them, you'd need to be prepared to step it up in a mjor way.

We are year round swimmers. Why do you assume we aren't? People like you are exhausting. We let our kids enjoy swimming. You should try it. Yes, we are certified in several areas and my spouse does every A and B meet when they let us. We would love to be team rep or more involved but we have a team parent whose kids are no longer on the team refuse to let others help which is a huge issue on the team. We do as much as we are allowed and are at every meet, A and B and do anything ask, even last minute.

And, you proved the point, they should be made to do practices or they should not be allowed to compete. They aren't part of the team if they are not practicing with the team. You want your kids treated as more special. Our team gives lanes to the top A kids (low A kids don't get it) only so there are tons of kids in all the lanes and a few kids get the two A meet kid lanes.

P.S. your kids aren't actually helping at pre-team. Usually they are goofing off and hanging out together.

I agree with this PP that year round swimmers should do their summer team practice if the times don't conflict. I grew up swimming and used to do my club team's practice at 5:30 am then go to the summer league practice at my summer pool at 8 am or whatever it was. It was so easy compared to the club practice and I would get to see friends that didn't swim year round. It was swimming just for the fun of it. Oh and despite my deep involvement with the sport, my parents never for certified to do stroke and turn or any of that stuff. My mom would be a timer sometimes or maybe the snack bar and that was it. I think I stuck with it so long because my parents were not super involved... just supportive.

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Anonymous wrote:Just told my A meet summer swimming only 10 year old and she was sad but not surprised. I hope these tough conversations go well for others too. Kids are showing remarkable resilience in the face of sadness.

This is a weird response. What difference does it make if she's an A meet swimmer. Nobody cares.

The parent cares. A meet/ B meet hierarchy is important.

If her non year round swimmer goes to a meets, she’ll likely go every year bc of the type of team she has or the team’s age group makeup. The child also doesn’t swim year round. That means that it could easily not be that big of a deal to a child like this. A child who loves swimming, swims year round, would be at the top of his/her age group this year, loves summer swim friends, has a good shot at all stars, etc would be more upset. So saying that information about her kid tells the reader to take her kid’s reaction with a grain of salt.

I'm still not following. The PP seemed to go out of her way to bring up that her DD was an A swimmer like anyone on this board really cared. All we wanted was summer swim to take place...no one on this board cares about this one child who swims A meets. That's not why we're all here.

My year round team swimmer is not a fast swimmer but does it for the enjoyment and exercise. I feel bad for the kids whose parents push and make such a big deal out of winning and meets as it takes the fun out of it. Summer team is for fun. Most of the All starts and divisional kids aren't even participating on the summer teams except meets which should not be allowed. The teams use them for the wins and they use the teams for the meets. Its pretty sad. They should be required to practice at least 3 days a week if they want to go to meets and actually be a part of the team.

I think you are wrong about the elite swimmers not participating except for meets. They may not be at many practices, but mine are at every "dine out", they go to the B meets to support the team even if they are not swimming, they volunteer to help with the pre-team, they are at the banquet, and every Friday night spirit events!. And they usually come from the club practice to summer practice a couple of days a week just to see their friends. Swim practice doesn't work well with outliers in terms of speed. HS teams function the same way with the faster club swimmers doing their club practice. You can't run a practice that challenges three very fast kids unless you give them their own lane (and honesly, you'd probably complain if that was done at summer league practices)

Curious, . . . are you a stroke and turn official, a team rep, a referree, head timer, a starter, automation operator? Parents of non-year around swimmers can certainly do those jobs (and are often asked to), but in my experience they rarely do. They rely on the parents of yea-round swimmers, who draw on their knowledge of the sport, to make the summer league run smoothly. So if you want to do summer swimming without them, you'd need to be prepared to step it up in a mjor way.

We are year round swimmers. Why do you assume we aren't? People like you are exhausting. We let our kids enjoy swimming. You should try it. Yes, we are certified in several areas and my spouse does every A and B meet when they let us. We would love to be team rep or more involved but we have a team parent whose kids are no longer on the team refuse to let others help which is a huge issue on the team. We do as much as we are allowed and are at every meet, A and B and do anything ask, even last minute.

And, you proved the point, they should be made to do practices or they should not be allowed to compete. They aren't part of the team if they are not practicing with the team. You want your kids treated as more special. Our team gives lanes to the top A kids (low A kids don't get it) only so there are tons of kids in all the lanes and a few kids get the two A meet kid lanes.

P.S. your kids aren't actually helping at pre-team. Usually they are goofing off and hanging out together.

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Anonymous wrote:The NVSL announcement said 19 voted in favor, 2 against, and 3 abstained. Curious if the 3 who abstained due so because they wanted to wait to make a decision until later? I don’t understand why they had to make this decision now and not wait 2 weeks.

Who cares? The vast majority in favor.

Pools need to hire their coaches, so probably need to decide now.

Yep, I am a Team Rep and everything was in limbo while we waited. We couldn't hire our coaches, we couldn't open registration, etc. I am glad they made a decision and now we an move on.

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Anonymous wrote:NVSL has the same issues as school. It has to be equitable. Can’t have just a Saturday season and not have the B meets that involve the rest of the team.

Even an "A Meet" has well over 50 people, all crowded together. My kids love swim team (we are MCSL in MoCo), but I fully expect it to be cancelled. I'm just hoping the pool can open in some capacity.

Anonymous wrote:NVSL swim parent here. Any chance a team might want to run swim practices for maybe 4 weeks this summer. Give the swimmers an hour of lap swimming, friendly competition, relay games. Kid has to be mature enough to follow the rules. I could see maybe half of our usual 150 swimmers wanting to do this. So 8 and unders, 9 to 12, and teens practice separately. 6 lanes, say 25 kids at each practice. I would pay for that.

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Anonymous wrote:Just told my A meet summer swimming only 10 year old and she was sad but not surprised. I hope these tough conversations go well for others too. Kids are showing remarkable resilience in the face of sadness.

This is a weird response. What difference does it make if she's an A meet swimmer. Nobody cares.

The parent cares. A meet/ B meet hierarchy is important.

If her non year round swimmer goes to a meets, she’ll likely go every year bc of the type of team she has or the team’s age group makeup. The child also doesn’t swim year round. That means that it could easily not be that big of a deal to a child like this. A child who loves swimming, swims year round, would be at the top of his/her age group this year, loves summer swim friends, has a good shot at all stars, etc would be more upset. So saying that information about her kid tells the reader to take her kid’s reaction with a grain of salt.

I'm still not following. The PP seemed to go out of her way to bring up that her DD was an A swimmer like anyone on this board really cared. All we wanted was summer swim to take place...no one on this board cares about this one child who swims A meets. That's not why we're all here.

My year round team swimmer is not a fast swimmer but does it for the enjoyment and exercise. I feel bad for the kids whose parents push and make such a big deal out of winning and meets as it takes the fun out of it. Summer team is for fun. Most of the All starts and divisional kids aren't even participating on the summer teams except meets which should not be allowed. The teams use them for the wins and they use the teams for the meets. Its pretty sad. They should be required to practice at least 3 days a week if they want to go to meets and actually be a part of the team.

I think you are wrong about the elite swimmers not participating except for meets. They may not be at many practices, but mine are at every "dine out", they go to the B meets to support the team even if they are not swimming, they volunteer to help with the pre-team, they are at the banquet, and every Friday night spirit events!. And they usually come from the club practice to summer practice a couple of days a week just to see their friends. Swim practice doesn't work well with outliers in terms of speed. HS teams function the same way with the faster club swimmers doing their club practice. You can't run a practice that challenges three very fast kids unless you give them their own lane (and honesly, you'd probably complain if that was done at summer league practices)

Curious, . . . are you a stroke and turn official, a team rep, a referree, head timer, a starter, automation operator? Parents of non-year around swimmers can certainly do those jobs (and are often asked to), but in my experience they rarely do. They rely on the parents of yea-round swimmers, who draw on their knowledge of the sport, to make the summer league run smoothly. So if you want to do summer swimming without them, you'd need to be prepared to step it up in a mjor way.

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Anonymous wrote:Just told my A meet summer swimming only 10 year old and she was sad but not surprised. I hope these tough conversations go well for others too. Kids are showing remarkable resilience in the face of sadness.

This is a weird response. What difference does it make if she's an A meet swimmer. Nobody cares.

The parent cares. A meet/ B meet hierarchy is important.

If her non year round swimmer goes to a meets, she’ll likely go every year bc of the type of team she has or the team’s age group makeup. The child also doesn’t swim year round. That means that it could easily not be that big of a deal to a child like this. A child who loves swimming, swims year round, would be at the top of his/her age group this year, loves summer swim friends, has a good shot at all stars, etc would be more upset. So saying that information about her kid tells the reader to take her kid’s reaction with a grain of salt.

I'm still not following. The PP seemed to go out of her way to bring up that her DD was an A swimmer like anyone on this board really cared. All we wanted was summer swim to take place...no one on this board cares about this one child who swims A meets. That's not why we're all here.

My year round team swimmer is not a fast swimmer but does it for the enjoyment and exercise. I feel bad for the kids whose parents push and make such a big deal out of winning and meets as it takes the fun out of it. Summer team is for fun. Most of the All starts and divisional kids aren't even participating on the summer teams except meets which should not be allowed. The teams use them for the wins and they use the teams for the meets. Its pretty sad. They should be required to practice at least 3 days a week if they want to go to meets and actually be a part of the team.