Why oh why didn’t they just abort the trip?

Anonymous wrote:There are several definitions of the word hero. One is “ a person who, in the opinion of others, has special achievements, abilities, or personal qualities and is regarded as a role model or ideal: My older sister is my hero. Entrepreneurs are our modern heroes”
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hero

For those trying to dictate to others that Kobe is not a hero. STFU. As you have crowed, definitions matter. And he CAN be a hero to others. That doesn’t mean he has to be YOUR hero.

+1 He donated over 20 million dollars to various charities, school athletic programs, community organizations and etc. I'm sure those on the receiving end consider him a hero. Especially all the k8ds he reached out to for the Make-a- Wish foundation.

The Kobe and Vanessa Foundation donated a significant amount of money and resources to athletic youth programs in my hometown.

The whole thing is just a terribly sad and tragic situation. Kobe Bryant was a household name and I think when most of us heard this story breaking we were thinking "Can't be true. Fake news."

To hear that there were two teenage girls among the victims just made the whole thing even more tragic.

Ya'll need to enlighten yourself to the story of Roberto Clemente.

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Anonymous wrote:This from the Sherriff.... TMZ is slammed for its quest to become first. In doing what they did, they become last in compassion.

Must have been leaked by his staff so he is just deflecting.

Doesn’t matter - other news outlets knew, but chose not to report it initially.

Except rumors were already all over Twitter and people were wondering if it was hoax. Better to actually know than to wonder. Cops need to work under a new model, they could have easily informed quicker.

People? So what if “people” were wondering if it was a hoax. I did too before it was confirmed and only TMZ was reporting it. It is more important for the families to know than for me to know for sure.

The fact is the cops need to notify the family before their kids/family hear about it on Twitter.

The cops need to do a better job.

That is why the cops are blaming TMZ, it's a red herring and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Do you work for TMZ, you dip$hit?

No LEO and I know better than you.

You’re a disgrace to your profession. And a disgrace of a human. 9 people died. It’s not your personal entertainment.

It is the job of LEO to notify family quickly and they didn’t.

That is not TMZ’s fault.

I'm not a Blue Lives matter person but honestly...TMZ posted on social media an hour after the crash. If it took LAPD 10-15 minutes tops to get to the crash site, another 5 minutes to rapel down from helicopters to the victims on the hillside (which they did), and then another 10 minutes to get the county morgue on site for positive ID...how the hell are they supposed to get an hour's drive away to Kobe Bryant's house (hopefully Vanessa was home), sit her down and make the notification?

Time travel hasn't been invented yet folks.

TMZ wanted the scoop, they got it. But the LAPD aren't wrong for criticisming them. It's not just the Bryants who found out that a husband and father died this way - its all the passengers in the helicopter with kids of their own, its extended family across the country, and other loved ones.

You think cops identify victims by their bodies on the scene?

You really need to rethink your argument.

Maybe Twitter should not allow death reports which is where family and friends actually heard it first.

Please enlighten me. How would you want to identify a burned body and notify family an hour's drive away in under an hour?

Dental records take time to pull.

Tail flight number and aviation records (with passenger manifests) would involve not only the LAPD but the NTSB and LA County airport officials.

There is no way to get those positive IDs and then race over to someone's house (assuming the spouse isn't at work or at a baby appointment or traveling) in under an hour.

What if the LAPD did and got it wrong? Said one daughter was dead when in fact it was the other? Or only confirmed the 'famous' passenger but waited to notify the other family until hours later?

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Anonymous wrote:This from the Sherriff.... TMZ is slammed for its quest to become first. In doing what they did, they become last in compassion.

Must have been leaked by his staff so he is just deflecting.

Doesn’t matter - other news outlets knew, but chose not to report it initially.

Except rumors were already all over Twitter and people were wondering if it was hoax. Better to actually know than to wonder. Cops need to work under a new model, they could have easily informed quicker.

People? So what if “people” were wondering if it was a hoax. I did too before it was confirmed and only TMZ was reporting it. It is more important for the families to know than for me to know for sure.

The fact is the cops need to notify the family before their kids/family hear about it on Twitter.

The cops need to do a better job.

That is why the cops are blaming TMZ, it's a red herring and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Do you work for TMZ, you dip$hit?

No LEO and I know better than you.

You’re a disgrace to your profession. And a disgrace of a human. 9 people died. It’s not your personal entertainment.

It is the job of LEO to notify family quickly and they didn’t.

That is not TMZ’s fault.

From what I understand the crash was in a very hard to reach area, on the side of a mountain with trees, brush, etc and no road leading to it. Hence when the helicopter went down it took a considerable amount of time for first responders to reach it and at that point it had been burning for some time making positive IDs difficult (I highly doubt once you reached the wreckage you could point and say oh yeah that’s him, not meaning to be crude). But what was readily available was the flight plan and radar tracking, there are real flight pattern enthusiasts who track this stuff IRT online, I believe anyone can track it. Hence average people could learn this particular helicopter crashed online via radar and then there were eye witnesses and the assumption was made Bryant was on his own chopper. But then the confusion who else and how many.

So in LE’s defense, things just happened too fast and with the internet and social media it can be impossible to control. I do agree TMZ was out of line to break it so quickly, I think of the other families, especially the one of the girl with both her parents with her on the helicopter and the two children left behind hearing this news. What if they were alone when they heard it? What if they just read it online? Horrible

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Anonymous wrote:This from the Sherriff.... TMZ is slammed for its quest to become first. In doing what they did, they become last in compassion.

Must have been leaked by his staff so he is just deflecting.

Doesn’t matter - other news outlets knew, but chose not to report it initially.

Except rumors were already all over Twitter and people were wondering if it was hoax. Better to actually know than to wonder. Cops need to work under a new model, they could have easily informed quicker.

People? So what if “people” were wondering if it was a hoax. I did too before it was confirmed and only TMZ was reporting it. It is more important for the families to know than for me to know for sure.

The fact is the cops need to notify the family before their kids/family hear about it on Twitter.

The cops need to do a better job.

That is why the cops are blaming TMZ, it's a red herring and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Do you work for TMZ, you dip$hit?

No LEO and I know better than you.

You’re a disgrace to your profession. And a disgrace of a human. 9 people died. It’s not your personal entertainment.

It is the job of LEO to notify family quickly and they didn’t.

That is not TMZ’s fault.

I'm not a Blue Lives matter person but honestly...TMZ posted on social media an hour after the crash. If it took LAPD 10-15 minutes tops to get to the crash site, another 5 minutes to rapel down from helicopters to the victims on the hillside (which they did), and then another 10 minutes to get the county morgue on site for positive ID...how the hell are they supposed to get an hour's drive away to Kobe Bryant's house (hopefully Vanessa was home), sit her down and make the notification?

Time travel hasn't been invented yet folks.

TMZ wanted the scoop, they got it. But the LAPD aren't wrong for criticisming them. It's not just the Bryants who found out that a husband and father died this way - its all the passengers in the helicopter with kids of their own, its extended family across the country, and other loved ones.

You think cops identify victims by their bodies on the scene?

You really need to rethink your argument.

Maybe Twitter should not allow death reports which is where family and friends actually heard it first.

Apparently he was one of the best in terms of the Make a Wish Foundation -- granted over 200 wishes to kids.

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Anonymous wrote:This from the Sherriff.... TMZ is slammed for its quest to become first. In doing what they did, they become last in compassion.

Must have been leaked by his staff so he is just deflecting.

Doesn’t matter - other news outlets knew, but chose not to report it initially.

Except rumors were already all over Twitter and people were wondering if it was hoax. Better to actually know than to wonder. Cops need to work under a new model, they could have easily informed quicker.

People? So what if “people” were wondering if it was a hoax. I did too before it was confirmed and only TMZ was reporting it. It is more important for the families to know than for me to know for sure.

The fact is the cops need to notify the family before their kids/family hear about it on Twitter.

The cops need to do a better job.

That is why the cops are blaming TMZ, it's a red herring and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Do you work for TMZ, you dip$hit?

No LEO and I know better than you.

You’re a disgrace to your profession. And a disgrace of a human. 9 people died. It’s not your personal entertainment.

It is the job of LEO to notify family quickly and they didn’t.

That is not TMZ’s fault.

I'm not a Blue Lives matter person but honestly...TMZ posted on social media an hour after the crash. If it took LAPD 10-15 minutes tops to get to the crash site, another 5 minutes to rapel down from helicopters to the victims on the hillside (which they did), and then another 10 minutes to get the county morgue on site for positive ID...how the hell are they supposed to get an hour's drive away to Kobe Bryant's house (hopefully Vanessa was home), sit her down and make the notification?

Time travel hasn't been invented yet folks.

TMZ wanted the scoop, they got it. But the LAPD aren't wrong for criticisming them. It's not just the Bryants who found out that a husband and father died this way - its all the passengers in the helicopter with kids of their own, its extended family across the country, and other loved ones.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, it is a tragedy he, and the others on that copter (including 2 children) were killed. It's understandable to recognize his importance to the sport, to pop culture, to his family/friends. I hope they are able to grieve and find some peace.

But can we stop with the "hero" labels? He wasn't a hero. And let's be honest, his character is up for debate. I'm not going to engage in a debate of that. But, labeling him as a hero or elevating to some sort of god like status for playing basketball is incredibly distasteful.

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Agree also.

There are several definitions of the word hero. One is “ a person who, in the opinion of others, has special achievements, abilities, or personal qualities and is regarded as a role model or ideal: My older sister is my hero. Entrepreneurs are our modern heroes”
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hero

For those trying to dictate to others that Kobe is not a hero. STFU. As you have crowed, definitions matter. And he CAN be a hero to others. That doesn’t mean he has to be YOUR hero.

I am in immigrant and Kobe-related news stories are top stories in all newspapers. Last night top 5 stories related to Kobe on one of the most visited sites. There are hundreds of comments and people crying (mostly men). He was definitely a hero.

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Anonymous wrote:This from the Sherriff.... TMZ is slammed for its quest to become first. In doing what they did, they become last in compassion.

Must have been leaked by his staff so he is just deflecting.

Doesn’t matter - other news outlets knew, but chose not to report it initially.

Except rumors were already all over Twitter and people were wondering if it was hoax. Better to actually know than to wonder. Cops need to work under a new model, they could have easily informed quicker.

People? So what if “people” were wondering if it was a hoax. I did too before it was confirmed and only TMZ was reporting it. It is more important for the families to know than for me to know for sure.

The fact is the cops need to notify the family before their kids/family hear about it on Twitter.

The cops need to do a better job.

That is why the cops are blaming TMZ, it's a red herring and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Do you work for TMZ, you dip$hit?

No LEO and I know better than you.

You’re a disgrace to your profession. And a disgrace of a human. 9 people died. It’s not your personal entertainment.

It is the job of LEO to notify family quickly and they didn’t.

That is not TMZ’s fault.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, it is a tragedy he, and the others on that copter (including 2 children) were killed. It's understandable to recognize his importance to the sport, to pop culture, to his family/friends. I hope they are able to grieve and find some peace.

But can we stop with the "hero" labels? He wasn't a hero. And let's be honest, his character is up for debate. I'm not going to engage in a debate of that. But, labeling him as a hero or elevating to some sort of god like status for playing basketball is incredibly distasteful.

He was a hero for many who grew up with him. I’m not a huge NBA fan anymore, but he inspired many people to play basketball, and also he inspired many younger people to do what you believe in and give 1000% effort. He rallied for many causes and charities and was all about giving back.

He may not be a hero to you, but to many people in this world, he was a very inspirational figure. There are people in my own family who credit playing college basketball because of him. If he’s their hero, people like you can’t take that away.

Inspirational? Maybe. Fantastic player? Yes. Motivated others? Certainly. But those do not equate to "hero." Sorry. Yes, to you and the other poster. But he is not a hero b/c by definition he is not one (and that is for lots of reasons). You can absolutely feel differently. But that just means you don't recognize someone who is actually a hero.

Carry one with your worship. I should have known to expect such a response from some of you. I"m out.

Good. And stay away.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, it is a tragedy he, and the others on that copter (including 2 children) were killed. It's understandable to recognize his importance to the sport, to pop culture, to his family/friends. I hope they are able to grieve and find some peace.

But can we stop with the "hero" labels? He wasn't a hero. And let's be honest, his character is up for debate. I'm not going to engage in a debate of that. But, labeling him as a hero or elevating to some sort of god like status for playing basketball is incredibly distasteful.

He was a hero for many who grew up with him. I’m not a huge NBA fan anymore, but he inspired many people to play basketball, and also he inspired many younger people to do what you believe in and give 1000% effort. He rallied for many causes and charities and was all about giving back.

He may not be a hero to you, but to many people in this world, he was a very inspirational figure. There are people in my own family who credit playing college basketball because of him. If he’s their hero, people like you can’t take that away.

Inspirational? Maybe. Fantastic player? Yes. Motivated others? Certainly. But those do not equate to "hero." Sorry. Yes, to you and the other poster. But he is not a hero b/c by definition he is not one (and that is for lots of reasons). You can absolutely feel differently. But that just means you don't recognize someone who is actually a hero.

Carry one with your worship. I should have known to expect such a response from some of you. I"m out.

I would be happy to. Can you, and others, shut up about it?