Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 19:03     Subject: Will MU make it past this spring?
Anonymous wrote:I am the parent of a DD 08 who will be looking at the various ECNL and DA teams come spring. I would only be interested in MU if the strong 08's were playing in the 08 age group. I would be very upset if I found out after we made the commitment to MU that the strongest 08's were "playing up" and the 08 team was filled with 09's who were playing up as well. It is because of this uncertainty which is why we would be wary of joining a MU team next year and will likely look at FCV or BRYC instead.


That is a valid concern, and that's been a chief complaint with this happening so chronically. It has also contributed during the Spirit days and bled into the MU club.
It has without question affected MU's success unfortunately.

I do think MU has made efforts to improve this, but it hasn't been fully successful. It's a hard culture change because Spirit became the "play up" place. I would still go to some of the training sessions so you can assess the turn out and have a chance to talk to the coaches directly. In conversations I had with them, they acknowledged the problems it was creating and sounded like they wanted to change it.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 18:50     Subject: Will MU make it past this spring?
Anonymous wrote:Why would a parent from another team come on this board and keep asking questions about the MU play ups? Kinda weird...


Yea I think I know who this is.... The “playup” trouble maker was posting earlier on this thread. Likes to talk about players which is a prohibited policy on this forum. Jealous parent of a play up that’s taking his kids minutes off the field. It’s like he is obsessed with this. Too bad this younger talented played up is better than your kid. Get a fuggen grip!
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 18:47     Subject: Will MU make it past this spring?
I am the parent of a DD 08 who will be looking at the various ECNL and DA teams come spring. I would only be interested in MU if the strong 08's were playing in the 08 age group. I would be very upset if I found out after we made the commitment to MU that the strongest 08's were "playing up" and the 08 team was filled with 09's who were playing up as well. It is because of this uncertainty which is why we would be wary of joining a MU team next year and will likely look at FCV or BRYC instead.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 16:12     Subject: Re:Will MU make it past this spring?
Thank you all for the civil discussion regarding the play ups. The questions were posed because there appears to be some drama at the club regarding play ups in the past and I was just wondering what the assessment and of both the players and clubs handling of the play ups and the general acceptance of the players.

The questions asked didn't come out quite right at first. Sorry for that.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 15:51     Subject: Will MU make it past this spring?
It's worth mentioning that the 03 on the U19 team was put there to help the 19s out. Their roster was light going into the year, and has remained light at several games. Otherwise, she would have been placed with the rest of the 03s.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 15:31     Subject: Will MU make it past this spring?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And it's not jealousy either. It's quality of the training environment, which is always impacted by the players in it.


Well like I said earlier. My belief is that play ups should be a very rare case. Asking us whether the play ups on the 06 team are deserving again and again, the poster started to come off to me as a jealous parent. I don't think it is nice to talk about specific kids. If they wanted to know about the training environment that is an odd way to ask it.

It's a very good training environment and they challenge our team. Our 06s (yes including the play ups) often practice and scrimmage the 05s. Coaches do a good job challenging every age group. Best of luck to those looking to make a move next year. Best way to see MU is come to ID sessions and practices. See if it is a fit both ways.


That does sound like it would be a good challenge for the 06 team. But how are they then challenging the 05 team? My experience has always been that when clubs group teams together (e.g., 06-07-08) it's great for the younger and not so useful for the older. Not rocket science observation, I know. So I guess my question is how often does that combination happen? I can see the argument for it making a good, challenging training environment but also for it making it NOT challenging depending on the situation?


05s scrimmage 04s sometimes and 04s will scrimmage 03s.

Our teams mainly train separate but will sometimes combine, perhaps once a week for part of practice or scrimmage. I can't speak for how they challenge the 05 team. We don't see them all the time so maybe they scrimmage 04s? That's a good question for the coaches. Your points are valid and there are pros and cons to everything. I can tell you it challenges us and is good experience. The 05 team is good. There are ways to challenge such as playing players out of position or other restrictions but I am not a coach.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 15:01     Subject: Will MU make it past this spring?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And it's not jealousy either. It's quality of the training environment, which is always impacted by the players in it.


Well like I said earlier. My belief is that play ups should be a very rare case. Asking us whether the play ups on the 06 team are deserving again and again, the poster started to come off to me as a jealous parent. I don't think it is nice to talk about specific kids. If they wanted to know about the training environment that is an odd way to ask it.

It's a very good training environment and they challenge our team. Our 06s (yes including the play ups) often practice and scrimmage the 05s. Coaches do a good job challenging every age group. Best of luck to those looking to make a move next year. Best way to see MU is come to ID sessions and practices. See if it is a fit both ways.


Yeah, I hear you, and I agree on all points. It is should be a very rare thing. I guess because whether MU or Spirit, it's become such a defining problem. I'm very hopeful for MU's sake that turn out for these younger age groups so that they can fix it. I think there is plenty of talent that should get a chance to develop. That full development needs all those players to have a chance to play in their own age group. The right answer, if it is possible, is to roster and play kids in their own age groups. If they are so exceptionally talented as to completely dominant that age group, then move them up. Just because a kid can play up doesn't mean they should.


That changed this year. The older MU teams each have one play up per age group at the most. This seems on par with other DA clubs.


It definitely got better. One team has none.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 14:49     Subject: Will MU make it past this spring?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And it's not jealousy either. It's quality of the training environment, which is always impacted by the players in it.


Well like I said earlier. My belief is that play ups should be a very rare case. Asking us whether the play ups on the 06 team are deserving again and again, the poster started to come off to me as a jealous parent. I don't think it is nice to talk about specific kids. If they wanted to know about the training environment that is an odd way to ask it.

It's a very good training environment and they challenge our team. Our 06s (yes including the play ups) often practice and scrimmage the 05s. Coaches do a good job challenging every age group. Best of luck to those looking to make a move next year. Best way to see MU is come to ID sessions and practices. See if it is a fit both ways.


Yeah, I hear you, and I agree on all points. It is should be a very rare thing. I guess because whether MU or Spirit, it's become such a defining problem. I'm very hopeful for MU's sake that turn out for these younger age groups so that they can fix it. I think there is plenty of talent that should get a chance to develop. That full development needs all those players to have a chance to play in their own age group. The right answer, if it is possible, is to roster and play kids in their own age groups. If they are so exceptionally talented as to completely dominant that age group, then move them up. Just because a kid can play up doesn't mean they should.


That changed this year. The older MU teams each have one play up per age group at the most. This seems on par with other DA clubs.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 14:46     Subject: Will MU make it past this spring?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And it's not jealousy either. It's quality of the training environment, which is always impacted by the players in it.


Well like I said earlier. My belief is that play ups should be a very rare case. Asking us whether the play ups on the 06 team are deserving again and again, the poster started to come off to me as a jealous parent. I don't think it is nice to talk about specific kids. If they wanted to know about the training environment that is an odd way to ask it.

It's a very good training environment and they challenge our team. Our 06s (yes including the play ups) often practice and scrimmage the 05s. Coaches do a good job challenging every age group. Best of luck to those looking to make a move next year. Best way to see MU is come to ID sessions and practices. See if it is a fit both ways.


That does sound like it would be a good challenge for the 06 team. But how are they then challenging the 05 team? My experience has always been that when clubs group teams together (e.g., 06-07-08) it's great for the younger and not so useful for the older. Not rocket science observation, I know. So I guess my question is how often does that combination happen? I can see the argument for it making a good, challenging training environment but also for it making it NOT challenging depending on the situation?


Our teams mainly train separate but will sometimes combine, perhaps once a week for part of practice or scrimmage. I can't speak for how they challenge the 05 team. We don't see them all the time so maybe they scrimmage 04s? That's a good question for the coaches. Your points are valid and there are pros and cons to everything. I can tell you it challenges us and is good experience. The 05 team is good. There are ways to challenge such as playing players out of position or other restrictions but I am not a coach.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 14:31     Subject: Will MU make it past this spring?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And it's not jealousy either. It's quality of the training environment, which is always impacted by the players in it.


Well like I said earlier. My belief is that play ups should be a very rare case. Asking us whether the play ups on the 06 team are deserving again and again, the poster started to come off to me as a jealous parent. I don't think it is nice to talk about specific kids. If they wanted to know about the training environment that is an odd way to ask it.

It's a very good training environment and they challenge our team. Our 06s (yes including the play ups) often practice and scrimmage the 05s. Coaches do a good job challenging every age group. Best of luck to those looking to make a move next year. Best way to see MU is come to ID sessions and practices. See if it is a fit both ways.


That does sound like it would be a good challenge for the 06 team. But how are they then challenging the 05 team? My experience has always been that when clubs group teams together (e.g., 06-07-08) it's great for the younger and not so useful for the older. Not rocket science observation, I know. So I guess my question is how often does that combination happen? I can see the argument for it making a good, challenging training environment but also for it making it NOT challenging depending on the situation?
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 14:07     Subject: Will MU make it past this spring?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And it's not jealousy either. It's quality of the training environment, which is always impacted by the players in it.


Well like I said earlier. My belief is that play ups should be a very rare case. Asking us whether the play ups on the 06 team are deserving again and again, the poster started to come off to me as a jealous parent. I don't think it is nice to talk about specific kids. If they wanted to know about the training environment that is an odd way to ask it.

It's a very good training environment and they challenge our team. Our 06s (yes including the play ups) often practice and scrimmage the 05s. Coaches do a good job challenging every age group. Best of luck to those looking to make a move next year. Best way to see MU is come to ID sessions and practices. See if it is a fit both ways.


Yeah, I hear you, and I agree on all points. It is should be a very rare thing. I guess because whether MU or Spirit, it's become such a defining problem. I'm very hopeful for MU's sake that turn out for these younger age groups so that they can fix it. I think there is plenty of talent that should get a chance to develop. That full development needs all those players to have a chance to play in their own age group. The right answer, if it is possible, is to roster and play kids in their own age groups. If they are so exceptionally talented as to completely dominant that age group, then move them up. Just because a kid can play up doesn't mean they should.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 13:55     Subject: Will MU make it past this spring?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And it's not jealousy either. It's quality of the training environment, which is always impacted by the players in it.


Well like I said earlier. My belief is that play ups should be a very rare case. Asking us whether the play ups on the 06 team are deserving again and again, the poster started to come off to me as a jealous parent. I don't think it is nice to talk about specific kids. If they wanted to know about the training environment that is an odd way to ask it.

It's a very good training environment and they challenge our team. Our 06s (yes including the play ups) often practice and scrimmage the 05s. Coaches do a good job challenging every age group. Best of luck to those looking to make a move next year. Best way to see MU is come to ID sessions and practices. See if it is a fit both ways.


You've made it clear that you believe that play ups should be very rare, what you aren't being clear about is if you believe, in your estimation, if Metro is using play ups to fill roster spots or if the players meet the criteria of being rare circumstances.

Or, in other words, are they place holders until a at age team is available for them to play on or are they "deserving" of playing up at 06 regardless? If a outside 07 or 08 player was interested in Metro will these play ups be impact players at their age groups or will they remain with 06 because they are good enough to be there?


I agree with the other parent. There is an impactful play up this year. Another is at times impactful. All of them are good players and would be impactful at their age group. They all deserve to play at the DA level. Some just need more time to develop and play at age. I have nothing bad to say about them. I am sorry but I have no idea how the rosters will go. You will have to ask the coaches.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 13:40     Subject: Will MU make it past this spring?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And it's not jealousy either. It's quality of the training environment, which is always impacted by the players in it.


Well like I said earlier. My belief is that play ups should be a very rare case. Asking us whether the play ups on the 06 team are deserving again and again, the poster started to come off to me as a jealous parent. I don't think it is nice to talk about specific kids. If they wanted to know about the training environment that is an odd way to ask it.

It's a very good training environment and they challenge our team. Our 06s (yes including the play ups) often practice and scrimmage the 05s. Coaches do a good job challenging every age group. Best of luck to those looking to make a move next year. Best way to see MU is come to ID sessions and practices. See if it is a fit both ways.


You've made it clear that you believe that play ups should be very rare, what you aren't being clear about is if you believe, in your estimation, if Metro is using play ups to fill roster spots or if the players meet the criteria of being rare circumstances.

Or, in other words, are they place holders until a at age team is available for them to play on or are they "deserving" of playing up at 06 regardless? If a outside 07 or 08 player was interested in Metro will these play ups be impact players at their age groups or will they remain with 06 because they are good enough to be there?
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 13:15     Subject: Will MU make it past this spring?
Anonymous wrote:And it's not jealousy either. It's quality of the training environment, which is always impacted by the players in it.


Well like I said earlier. My belief is that play ups should be a very rare case. Asking us whether the play ups on the 06 team are deserving again and again, the poster started to come off to me as a jealous parent. I don't think it is nice to talk about specific kids. If they wanted to know about the training environment that is an odd way to ask it.

It's a very good training environment and they challenge our team. Our 06s (yes including the play ups) often practice and scrimmage the 05s. Coaches do a good job challenging every age group. Best of luck to those looking to make a move next year. Best way to see MU is come to ID sessions and practices. See if it is a fit both ways.
Anonymous
Post 12/19/2019 12:49     Subject: Will MU make it past this spring?
And it's not jealousy either. It's quality of the training environment, which is always impacted by the players in it.