Anonymous
12/11/2019 08:59
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do all these pro-segregation posters actually live here?
Can you point out a pro-segregation post?
Nobody is forcing anybody of any color to live anywhere.
Then why are the schools segregated? Because people can't live just anywhere. Further, there are a number of historical factors that created this situation.
1) Restricting the majority all the low-income housing to a few areas
2) historical practices like red-lining
3) gerrymandering school boundaries to exclude low-income students or the reverse
? How is that the fault of MCPS? MoCo now mandates moderate price dwellings in new multi-unit builds in wealthy areas. What do you want MCPS to do about housing policies?
Also, MCPS is trying to "force busing" according to some. So, seems to me like MCPS is trying to de-segregate. Again, what else do you want MCPS to do? And please stop with the .."defending segregation" nonsense. You seem to never answer my question about what else MCPS is supposed to do about de facto segregation due to housing prices.
Obviously MCPS can't do anything about housing policies. But they CAN do something about school boundaries.
And what should they do about school boundaries? Change them on a street-by-street basis? Why not go house-by-house? How are you going to make sure the schools are balanced? At the end of the day, you would need to move a lot of hispanic, black, white, Asian, gay, straight, rich, middle class, poor, and others around in order to balance the schools. It seems like people are obsessed with certain schools performing well. I would like to see what exactly people think can be done.
We need to get the 60+ year old women out of the school board. Having children in school should be a requirement to be on the board.
Fortunately MCPS is having an analysis conducted, right now, to address that question. Yay!
Anonymous
12/11/2019 08:53
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do all these pro-segregation posters actually live here?
Can you point out a pro-segregation post?
Nobody is forcing anybody of any color to live anywhere.
Then why are the schools segregated? Because people can't live just anywhere. Further, there are a number of historical factors that created this situation.
1) Restricting the majority all the low-income housing to a few areas
2) historical practices like red-lining
3) gerrymandering school boundaries to exclude low-income students or the reverse
? How is that the fault of MCPS? MoCo now mandates moderate price dwellings in new multi-unit builds in wealthy areas. What do you want MCPS to do about housing policies?
Also, MCPS is trying to "force busing" according to some. So, seems to me like MCPS is trying to de-segregate. Again, what else do you want MCPS to do? And please stop with the .."defending segregation" nonsense. You seem to never answer my question about what else MCPS is supposed to do about de facto segregation due to housing prices.
Obviously MCPS can't do anything about housing policies. But they CAN do something about school boundaries.
And what should they do about school boundaries? Change them on a street-by-street basis? Why not go house-by-house? How are you going to make sure the schools are balanced? At the end of the day, you would need to move a lot of hispanic, black, white, Asian, gay, straight, rich, middle class, poor, and others around in order to balance the schools. It seems like people are obsessed with certain schools performing well. I would like to see what exactly people think can be done.
We need to get the 60+ year old women out of the school board. Having children in school should be a requirement to be on the board.
Anonymous
12/11/2019 08:52
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do all these pro-segregation posters actually live here?
Can you point out a pro-segregation post?
Nobody is forcing anybody of any color to live anywhere.
Then why are the schools segregated? Because people can't live just anywhere. Further, there are a number of historical factors that created this situation.
1) Restricting the majority all the low-income housing to a few areas
2) historical practices like red-lining
3) gerrymandering school boundaries to exclude low-income students or the reverse
? How is that the fault of MCPS? MoCo now mandates moderate price dwellings in new multi-unit builds in wealthy areas. What do you want MCPS to do about housing policies?
Also, MCPS is trying to "force busing" according to some. So, seems to me like MCPS is trying to de-segregate. Again, what else do you want MCPS to do? And please stop with the .."defending segregation" nonsense. You seem to never answer my question about what else MCPS is supposed to do about de facto segregation due to housing prices.
Obviously MCPS can't do anything about housing policies. But they CAN do something about school boundaries.
We're going in circles. MCPS is trying to do something about school boundaries. That's why so many parents are up in arms about "busing". That's why my neighborhood that is closer to a W schools is zoned for a non W school. That's why the SVHS boundary thread is super long... because MCPS is changing the boundary there such that they are trying to "bus" students to make FARMS rate more equitable.
Yet, some troll keeps saying how some of us are defending segregation, calling us "pro-segregation" by stating the obvious... it's the housing policies, stupid. And most of us on here don't define housing policies. However, parents don't want over crowded schools, and I would imagine, poor parents would also rather not have their children go to over crowded schools where the class sizes are huge, but many, unfortunately, don't have any other option.
And before some stupid troll calls me pro-segregationist, I grew up low income, to poor immigrant parents who didn't speak English.
Anonymous
12/11/2019 08:07
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do all these pro-segregation posters actually live here?
Can you point out a pro-segregation post?
Nobody is forcing anybody of any color to live anywhere.
Then why are the schools segregated? Because people can't live just anywhere. Further, there are a number of historical factors that created this situation.
1) Restricting the majority all the low-income housing to a few areas
2) historical practices like red-lining
3) gerrymandering school boundaries to exclude low-income students or the reverse
? How is that the fault of MCPS? MoCo now mandates moderate price dwellings in new multi-unit builds in wealthy areas. What do you want MCPS to do about housing policies?
Also, MCPS is trying to "force busing" according to some. So, seems to me like MCPS is trying to de-segregate. Again, what else do you want MCPS to do? And please stop with the .."defending segregation" nonsense. You seem to never answer my question about what else MCPS is supposed to do about de facto segregation due to housing prices.
Obviously MCPS can't do anything about housing policies. But they CAN do something about school boundaries.
Anonymous
12/11/2019 08:04
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do all these pro-segregation posters actually live here?
Can you point out a pro-segregation post?
Nobody is forcing anybody of any color to live anywhere.
Then why are the schools segregated? Because people can't live just anywhere. Further, there are a number of historical factors that created this situation.
1) Restricting the majority all the low-income housing to a few areas
2) historical practices like red-lining
3) gerrymandering school boundaries to exclude low-income students or the reverse
? How is that the fault of MCPS? MoCo now mandates moderate price dwellings in new multi-unit builds in wealthy areas. What do you want MCPS to do about housing policies?
Also, MCPS is trying to "force busing" according to some. So, seems to me like MCPS is trying to de-segregate. Again, what else do you want MCPS to do? And please stop with the .."defending segregation" nonsense. You seem to never answer my question about what else MCPS is supposed to do about de facto segregation due to housing prices.
Anonymous
12/11/2019 07:48
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
Pathetic attempt by one pp faking she believes in reverse racism. It doesn't exist. It is just her white fragility that is in question.
Anonymous
12/11/2019 07:43
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do all these pro-segregation posters actually live here?
Can you point out a pro-segregation post?
Nobody is forcing anybody of any color to live anywhere.
Then why are the schools segregated? Because people can't live just anywhere. Further, there are a number of historical factors that created this situation.
1) Restricting the majority all the low-income housing to a few areas
2) historical practices like red-lining
3) gerrymandering school boundaries to exclude low-income students or the reverse
du jure segregation Is illegal. We have de facto segregation which is perfectly legal and is created by people moving into neighborhoods of others like them. We aren’t forcing the races to separate or Jews to live in ghettos.
Hey look, another person who is fine with segregation.
Anonymous
12/11/2019 07:29
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High-Quality public education shouldn't be contingent on living in a specific area. Bad and good schools shouldn't exist.
People swear up and down that MCPS is just one school system. Why isn’t MCPS providing a good education at EVERY school as it is.
Try again. Your premise is wrong. You think the school 100% determines a students abilities, work ethic, and skills. It is there to develop those, but if counterproductive forces are at home.... or lack of discipline at the school.....
Most recent research out there shows that schools account for very little individual variation in school outcome (<10% at most) . Unless a school is absolutely horrible (which, whining on this board aside, none of the MCPS schools remotely qualify) there just isn't that much difference. So, the SJWs getting up in arms to "fix" everything by shipping kids to "good" schools are bound to be disappointed. The "racists" worrying about their kid being sent to a "bad" school are worrying unnecessarily. At the end of the day though, all of this isn't going to change a thing.
One example: https://www.chalkbeat.org/posts/us/2019/04/01/selective-high-school-research-new-york-city-boston/
"But studies looking at the test-in schools in those cities and in Chicago have found that students receive little if any measurable benefit from attending them. Students with similar qualifications who attend high school elsewhere end up with comparable SAT scores and college admissions offers, they find."
Anonymous
12/11/2019 07:26
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do all these pro-segregation posters actually live here?
Can you point out a pro-segregation post?
Nobody is forcing anybody of any color to live anywhere.
Then why are the schools segregated? Because people can't live just anywhere. Further, there are a number of historical factors that created this situation.
1) Restricting the majority all the low-income housing to a few areas
2) historical practices like red-lining
3) gerrymandering school boundaries to exclude low-income students or the reverse
du jure segregation Is illegal. We have de facto segregation which is perfectly legal and is created by people moving into neighborhoods of others like them. We aren’t forcing the races to separate or Jews to live in ghettos.
Anonymous
12/11/2019 07:16
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
Anonymous wrote:Where does it stop. King eloquently noted our children should be judged on the content of their character -- not the color of their skin. Seems like the BoE is judging kids on their skin color. (And only types of color will be focused on in this 'diversity' study) Sorry my Asian friends you are not considered 'diverse' because you have high test scores than everyone...
What's next -- if the squash team at Richard Montgomery is all Asian do we now need a squash team based on this 'diversity' policy? Can't wait for that lawsuit...
Let's face it -- MCPS schools are ALL mediocre due to the BoE's decision to adopt Curriculum 2.0 for NINE years. Some schools are 'better' because of more parental involvement. (Tutoring, extracurricular activities, parental input -- i.e. emphasizing manners). 75% of student success depends on family input. That's the truth.
If the BoE persists in this social engineering project these schools are going to become more segregated -- and the tax base will be shredded. Ah, but our fearless leaders never acknowledge the law of unintended consequences...
Let's tally the white nonsense in this post.
Out of context quote from Dr. Martin Luther King - 5 point
Sports analogy in a discussion of academics - 1 point
Unsupported statement followed by "That's the truth." - 2 points
Reference to "social engineering" - 1 point
Veiled threat to move andtake their tax dollars with them - 3 points
Anonymous
12/11/2019 07:12
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
Anonymous wrote:There are no “bad” students, only bad schools. If the goverment breaks up the bad schools and sends the students in bad schools to good schools, the students from the bad schools will do better. However, it is not fair that only the students in bad schools have to endure long bus ride so mcps boe members want to see how to put the kids in W schools on a bus and send them to the bad schools.
There is bad trolling, and this is an example.
Anonymous
12/11/2019 07:09
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
There are no “bad” students, only bad schools. If the goverment breaks up the bad schools and sends the students in bad schools to good schools, the students from the bad schools will do better. However, it is not fair that only the students in bad schools have to endure long bus ride so mcps boe members want to see how to put the kids in W schools on a bus and send them to the bad schools.
Anonymous
12/11/2019 06:21
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High-Quality public education shouldn't be contingent on living in a specific area. Bad and good schools shouldn't exist.
Bad students and good students exist. Always have, always will.
Same for parents.
Please note the differences between
1. good students/bad students
2. good parents/bad parents
3. high-quality public education/low-quality public education
Anonymous
12/11/2019 06:18
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High-Quality public education shouldn't be contingent on living in a specific area. Bad and good schools shouldn't exist.
Bad students and good students exist. Always have, always will.
Same for parents.
And it's not tied to racial or economic lines. But if your kid is struggling who has more resources to throw at the problem? A low wage worker or a college educated family making 300k a year
Anonymous
12/10/2019 23:29
Subject: MCPS schools are segregated
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High-Quality public education shouldn't be contingent on living in a specific area. Bad and good schools shouldn't exist.
People swear up and down that MCPS is just one school system. Why isn’t MCPS providing a good education at EVERY school as it is.
Try again. Your premise is wrong. You think the school 100% determines a students abilities, work ethic, and skills. It is there to develop those, but if counterproductive forces are at home.... or lack of discipline at the school.....