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Anonymous wrote:I believe the percentage I read on one of the articles was that at least 40% of traffic driving through Alexandria were people passing through, people who's trip neither commenced nor would end in Alexandria, point A and point B were both somewhere else. Waze is kicking these drivers off 495/395/ GW Parkway/ Route 1 into the streets of Alexandria for their commutes or wherever it is they want to go. You are not going to efficiently reduce a "driving majority" by adding bike lanes and bigger sidewalks in Alexandria when almost 1/2 of the drivers in Alexandria aren't leaving or going to Alexandria. They are using the streets of Alexandria as a short cut. Stop with the nonsense, it is what it is.

This is a heavily populated area with people dispersed in large geographic areas. You cannot convert these people to bike the 15-20 miles in one direction. Enough already.

I live and work in Alexandria near one of the locations a road diet was used a few years ago. The traffic is obscene now. I hate it.

Why should the priority in Alexandria road design be the people who drive through Alexandria from somewhere else to somewhere else, over people who live in Alexandria? Drivers will use the streets of Alexandria as a short cut if that works for them. So Alexandria should stop making it work for them.

Anonymous wrote:I believe the percentage I read on one of the articles was that at least 40% of traffic driving through Alexandria were people passing through, people who's trip neither commenced nor would end in Alexandria, point A and point B were both somewhere else. Waze is kicking these drivers off 495/395/ GW Parkway/ Route 1 into the streets of Alexandria for their commutes or wherever it is they want to go. You are not going to efficiently reduce a "driving majority" by adding bike lanes and bigger sidewalks in Alexandria when almost 1/2 of the drivers in Alexandria aren't leaving or going to Alexandria. They are using the streets of Alexandria as a short cut. Stop with the nonsense, it is what it is.

This is a heavily populated area with people dispersed in large geographic areas. You cannot convert these people to bike the 15-20 miles in one direction. Enough already.

I live and work in Alexandria near one of the locations a road diet was used a few years ago. The traffic is obscene now. I hate it.

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Sure. But most road lanes in Alexandria are very narrow, barely two lane roads in residential neighborhoods with minimal driveways and massive MD/Fairfax cut through traffic. Alexandria is not Bethesda or Fairfax. This is an Alexandria project.

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Anonymous wrote:When should the convenience of a few bikers outweigh the safety and efficiency of the driving majority? Putting bike lanes on Seminary Rd. is a stupid idea.

I am the poster who is arguing about city priorities wrt traffic calming and safety. These types of comments are really not helpful to the conversation. We need to reduce the “driving majority”. You aren’t going to effectively argue against this road diet based on that. Focus on Alexandria’s backwards priorities, funding streams, shitty traffic analysis, the high ADT on Seminary, and lack of transparency re: Fire, police and hospital concerns. This road diet was not appropriate based available data and concerns regarding first responder access. And there are other, parallel roads that were much more appropriate for a road diet and provided higher connectivity. The fact is, this road was more about winning a battle than the appropriate allocation of road space. The prior, wholly dismissive poster I am debating with, who clearly knows nothing about this project, and isn’t from Alexandria, is an example of those who just want to win.

Anonymous wrote:When should the convenience of a few bikers outweigh the safety and efficiency of the driving majority? Putting bike lanes on Seminary Rd. is a stupid idea.

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I am not really sure what your point is. Not all streets can fit bike lanes. In fact, most cannot. Those areas need and require other forms of traffic calming.

What kinds of streets that require traffic calming can't fit bike lanes? Especially since making general-travel lanes narrower is a well-established method for traffic calming.

Well then you know more than Alexandria city staff. Congratulations!

It's really not an issue of knowing more. It's an issue of being willing to reallocate road space.

Here's some information from the federal government about traffic calming, including reduction in lane width: https://www.transportation.gov/mission/health/Traffic-Calming-to-Slow-Vehicle-Speeds

^^^Just like, after the Churchill High School student was killed in July on 6-lane Old Georgetown Rd, lots of people said that there was no room for wider sidewalks or protected bike lanes. But there is, if you reallocate 1 lane each way to a wider sidewalk and a protected bike lane. Or you could even make more room by reallocating 1 lane each way and narrowing the remaining 2 lanes each way.

Anonymous wrote:I have seen many fender benders on Seminary when people attempt to turn onto side streets like Fairbanks Ave. What is needed is a dedicated turn lane - not a bike lane.

Anonymous wrote:When should the convenience of a few bikers outweigh the safety and efficiency of the driving majority? Putting bike lanes on Seminary Rd. is a stupid idea.

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I am not really sure what your point is. Not all streets can fit bike lanes. In fact, most cannot. Those areas need and require other forms of traffic calming.

What kinds of streets that require traffic calming can't fit bike lanes? Especially since making general-travel lanes narrower is a well-established method for traffic calming.

Well then you know more than Alexandria city staff. Congratulations!

It's really not an issue of knowing more. It's an issue of being willing to reallocate road space.

Here's some information from the federal government about traffic calming, including reduction in lane width: https://www.transportation.gov/mission/health/Traffic-Calming-to-Slow-Vehicle-Speeds

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I am not really sure what your point is. Not all streets can fit bike lanes. In fact, most cannot. Those areas need and require other forms of traffic calming.

What kinds of streets that require traffic calming can't fit bike lanes? Especially since making general-travel lanes narrower is a well-established method for traffic calming.

Well then you know more than Alexandria city staff. Congratulations!

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I am not really sure what your point is. Not all streets can fit bike lanes. In fact, most cannot. Those areas need and require other forms of traffic calming.

What kinds of streets that require traffic calming can't fit bike lanes? Especially since making general-travel lanes narrower is a well-established method for traffic calming.