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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if this is a small sample size issue, but looking at the raw data, ITS and LAMB seem to have horrible success with at risk- students whereas YY and Sela seem to be killing it. Maybe the alphabet/language root decoding is helping math scores?

YY has vanishingly few at-risk kids, so I don't know that you can draw a lot of conclusions from it. And Sela's population is also pretty small.

I think ITS' at risk kids are more in the middle school.due to backfilling, and it is hard to catch kids up if they enter far behind.

The conclusion you can draw from YY's set up is that a little Mandarin works to scare away almost all the at-risk kids, the entire point of the artifice.

Go YY, for killing it!

As I YY parent, I can assure you that there are many families there that are stretching to call themselves middle class.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Southwest and was so pleased to see Amidon's improvement. A bunch of community members offered weekly small group or one-on-one math tutoring to 3rd graders and it looks like that helped (of course, more credit is due to the teachers!).

Jefferson Academy is also showing improvement. This is the first year they had enough white students for their scores to be broken out and they were 100% proficient in ELA and 91% in math--better than the same group at Latin, Deal, or Stuart-Hobson (the only schools I checked). The school also exceeded DC averages for ELA for both at-risk and non-at-risk students, though math has a ways to go.

SSS to reach that conclusion for Jefferson and probably Stuart Hobson. Shocking that white students are more affluent and less likely to be at risk wherever they are in DC. Not really news.

I don't know what SSS means but if white Jefferson students are doing better than white students at Deal, SH, or WL, it should help parents of white kids IB for Jefferson feel more confident enrolling their kids there. I often hear people in various parts of the city say their IB school is "not an option" because of concerns that the school is too focused on bringing up the scores of at-risk kids and won't serve their kid well, or because they're worried their kid won't have any high-performing peers. Jefferson's test results should help dispel both of those concerns (I'll be curious to see the MGP scores as well), though I know there are still plenty of families that will make other middle school choices.

Jefferson is 1% white. How many students is that? It’s easy to reach 100% proficient if you’re only talking about a couple of children.

It's 2% on the OSSE report card. Given the 91% for math, I'd guess there were 11 white students tested. I don't think it's easy to get proficiency rates that high, and if it were so easy, why aren't other schools doing it? More importantly, JA is outperforming DC averages in ELA for both at-risk and non-at-risk kids. That's a good thing. I'm optimistic that with Dohmann (a former math teacher at the school) back as principal they can make some progress on the math scores without losing ground on ELA.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Southwest and was so pleased to see Amidon's improvement. A bunch of community members offered weekly small group or one-on-one math tutoring to 3rd graders and it looks like that helped (of course, more credit is due to the teachers!).

Jefferson Academy is also showing improvement. This is the first year they had enough white students for their scores to be broken out and they were 100% proficient in ELA and 91% in math--better than the same group at Latin, Deal, or Stuart-Hobson (the only schools I checked). The school also exceeded DC averages for ELA for both at-risk and non-at-risk students, though math has a ways to go.

SSS to reach that conclusion for Jefferson and probably Stuart Hobson. Shocking that white students are more affluent and less likely to be at risk wherever they are in DC. Not really news.

I don't know what SSS means but if white Jefferson students are doing better than white students at Deal, SH, or WL, it should help parents of white kids IB for Jefferson feel more confident enrolling their kids there. I often hear people in various parts of the city say their IB school is "not an option" because of concerns that the school is too focused on bringing up the scores of at-risk kids and won't serve their kid well, or because they're worried their kid won't have any high-performing peers. Jefferson's test results should help dispel both of those concerns (I'll be curious to see the MGP scores as well), though I know there are still plenty of families that will make other middle school choices.

Jefferson is 1% white. How many students is that? It’s easy to reach 100% proficient if you’re only talking about a couple of children.

may need a fact check but if not 1% it's not much higher. thus small sample size (SSS)

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Anonymous wrote:Sela has a low gap. Whittier has a low gap with at-risk kids outperforming not at risk on ELA.

Enough with the sela boosting. Let them get to be a real size school before we star the boosting already. TIA

Sela has 16% more students than Ross. (202 vs. 174). So if one isn't a "real size school" and can't take pride in its accomplishments, than neither should the other.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I just went and looked at both schools and Ross seems to be doing better than Sela in every conceivable way - signficantly higher scores and almost no achievement gap. Is the only thing that made you mention Ross that it's a small school, or am I missing some other obvious correlation?

I agree that being a small school doesn't mean there's nothing to be proud of, but not sure why a Sela booster would compare it to a school that is so clearly outperforming it.

I'm not a Sela booster. I just don't think that Sela is too small to have its accomplishments disregarded. Or, if it is, there are other schools that should have their accomplishments disregarded too.
Ross and Sela have very different demographics (Sela is 17% white, Ross is 17% black; Sela is 22% at risk, Ross is 6%) not to mention the differences between DCPA and charters and language immersion vs. monolingual schools. Neither school is right for everyone (and it's not like most people can get into Ross anyway) but both seem to be doing well in their own ways--they both get 4 stars--and it seems silly for someone to think we can applaud one school and not the other.

Wait, where are you seeing 4 stars? Is that on the OSSE page? I don't care about Sela or Ross (had to google Ross to see where it was in the city and only know about Sela because it's oddly controversial on these boards) but if schools with scores that disparate can both get 4 stars I want to do some reading on what a star even means.

https://osse.dc.gov/publication/dc-school-report-card-and-star-framework-technical-guide will give you lots of info about the star framework. Basically, it's not just how kids score on PARCC (though that's one factor) but also median growth percentiles (how a kid who scored in the Xth percentile on PARCC one year scores the following year) and several other metrics. A school whose students have more growth can score as well as a school where kids come in high and stay that way.

Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Southwest and was so pleased to see Amidon's improvement. A bunch of community members offered weekly small group or one-on-one math tutoring to 3rd graders and it looks like that helped (of course, more credit is due to the teachers!).

Jefferson Academy is also showing improvement. This is the first year they had enough white students for their scores to be broken out and they were 100% proficient in ELA and 91% in math--better than the same group at Latin, Deal, or Stuart-Hobson (the only schools I checked). The school also exceeded DC averages for ELA for both at-risk and non-at-risk students, though math has a ways to go.

SSS to reach that conclusion for Jefferson and probably Stuart Hobson. Shocking that white students are more affluent and less likely to be at risk wherever they are in DC. Not really news.

I don't know what SSS means but if white Jefferson students are doing better than white students at Deal, SH, or WL, it should help parents of white kids IB for Jefferson feel more confident enrolling their kids there. I often hear people in various parts of the city say their IB school is "not an option" because of concerns that the school is too focused on bringing up the scores of at-risk kids and won't serve their kid well, or because they're worried their kid won't have any high-performing peers. Jefferson's test results should help dispel both of those concerns (I'll be curious to see the MGP scores as well), though I know there are still plenty of families that will make other middle school choices.

Jefferson is 1% white. How many students is that? It’s easy to reach 100% proficient if you’re only talking about a couple of children.

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Anonymous wrote:Sela has a low gap. Whittier has a low gap with at-risk kids outperforming not at risk on ELA.

Enough with the sela boosting. Let them get to be a real size school before we star the boosting already. TIA

Sela has 16% more students than Ross. (202 vs. 174). So if one isn't a "real size school" and can't take pride in its accomplishments, than neither should the other.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I just went and looked at both schools and Ross seems to be doing better than Sela in every conceivable way - signficantly higher scores and almost no achievement gap. Is the only thing that made you mention Ross that it's a small school, or am I missing some other obvious correlation?

I agree that being a small school doesn't mean there's nothing to be proud of, but not sure why a Sela booster would compare it to a school that is so clearly outperforming it.

I'm not a Sela booster. I just don't think that Sela is too small to have its accomplishments disregarded. Or, if it is, there are other schools that should have their accomplishments disregarded too.
Ross and Sela have very different demographics (Sela is 17% white, Ross is 17% black; Sela is 22% at risk, Ross is 6%) not to mention the differences between DCPA and charters and language immersion vs. monolingual schools. Neither school is right for everyone (and it's not like most people can get into Ross anyway) but both seem to be doing well in their own ways--they both get 4 stars--and it seems silly for someone to think we can applaud one school and not the other.

Wait, where are you seeing 4 stars? Is that on the OSSE page? I don't care about Sela or Ross (had to google Ross to see where it was in the city and only know about Sela because it's oddly controversial on these boards) but if schools with scores that disparate can both get 4 stars I want to do some reading on what a star even means.

https://osse.dc.gov/publication/dc-school-report-card-and-star-framework-technical-guide will give you lots of info about the star framework. Basically, it's not just how kids score on PARCC (though that's one factor) but also median growth percentiles (how a kid who scored in the Xth percentile on PARCC one year scores the following year) and several other metrics. A school whose students have more growth can score as well as a school where kids come in high and stay that way.

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Anonymous wrote:Sela has a low gap. Whittier has a low gap with at-risk kids outperforming not at risk on ELA.

Enough with the sela boosting. Let them get to be a real size school before we star the boosting already. TIA

What a bizarre statement. Sorry for your clear trauma. Be well.

No trauma here. I am rooting for Sela. However, they should not be a school that should be revered until they show they are established and have a decent population size. But you knew that.

Not really - I actually went a small rural elementary school ( much smaller than Sela) with a lot of at-risk kids including me - I usually credit my professional success to be fourth grade teacher who changed the trajectory of my life on fundamental levels - but now from your oozing smug privilege I know my school was a non-school, my teachers were unworthy of mention, and my experience is of zero import. Surely it cannot be that multiple people looking at the raw data will try to divine its significance? It is interesting, for example, that Whittier’s at risk students are doing better on ELA, than not at risk students. Why is that? Why can’t we similarly ask about Sela or Shepherd or other small schools who seem to be doing some things well or at least in a positive direction? Weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Sela has a low gap. Whittier has a low gap with at-risk kids outperforming not at risk on ELA.

Enough with the sela boosting. Let them get to be a real size school before we star the boosting already. TIA

Sela has 16% more students than Ross. (202 vs. 174). So if one isn't a "real size school" and can't take pride in its accomplishments, than neither should the other.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I just went and looked at both schools and Ross seems to be doing better than Sela in every conceivable way - signficantly higher scores and almost no achievement gap. Is the only thing that made you mention Ross that it's a small school, or am I missing some other obvious correlation?

I agree that being a small school doesn't mean there's nothing to be proud of, but not sure why a Sela booster would compare it to a school that is so clearly outperforming it.

I'm not a Sela booster. I just don't think that Sela is too small to have its accomplishments disregarded. Or, if it is, there are other schools that should have their accomplishments disregarded too.
Ross and Sela have very different demographics (Sela is 17% white, Ross is 17% black; Sela is 22% at risk, Ross is 6%) not to mention the differences between DCPA and charters and language immersion vs. monolingual schools. Neither school is right for everyone (and it's not like most people can get into Ross anyway) but both seem to be doing well in their own ways--they both get 4 stars--and it seems silly for someone to think we can applaud one school and not the other.

Wait, where are you seeing 4 stars? Is that on the OSSE page? I don't care about Sela or Ross (had to google Ross to see where it was in the city and only know about Sela because it's oddly controversial on these boards) but if schools with scores that disparate can both get 4 stars I want to do some reading on what a star even means.

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Anonymous wrote:Sela has a low gap. Whittier has a low gap with at-risk kids outperforming not at risk on ELA.

Enough with the sela boosting. Let them get to be a real size school before we star the boosting already. TIA

Sela has 16% more students than Ross. (202 vs. 174). So if one isn't a "real size school" and can't take pride in its accomplishments, than neither should the other.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I just went and looked at both schools and Ross seems to be doing better than Sela in every conceivable way - signficantly higher scores and almost no achievement gap. Is the only thing that made you mention Ross that it's a small school, or am I missing some other obvious correlation?

I agree that being a small school doesn't mean there's nothing to be proud of, but not sure why a Sela booster would compare it to a school that is so clearly outperforming it.

I'm not a Sela booster. I just don't think that Sela is too small to have its accomplishments disregarded. Or, if it is, there are other schools that should have their accomplishments disregarded too.
Ross and Sela have very different demographics (Sela is 17% white, Ross is 17% black; Sela is 22% at risk, Ross is 6%) not to mention the differences between DCPA and charters and language immersion vs. monolingual schools. Neither school is right for everyone (and it's not like most people can get into Ross anyway) but both seem to be doing well in their own ways--they both get 4 stars--and it seems silly for someone to think we can applaud one school and not the other.

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Anonymous wrote:Sela has a low gap. Whittier has a low gap with at-risk kids outperforming not at risk on ELA.

Enough with the sela boosting. Let them get to be a real size school before we star the boosting already. TIA

Sela has 16% more students than Ross. (202 vs. 174). So if one isn't a "real size school" and can't take pride in its accomplishments, than neither should the other.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I just went and looked at both schools and Ross seems to be doing better than Sela in every conceivable way - signficantly higher scores and almost no achievement gap. Is the only thing that made you mention Ross that it's a small school, or am I missing some other obvious correlation?

I agree that being a small school doesn't mean there's nothing to be proud of, but not sure why a Sela booster would compare it to a school that is so clearly outperforming it.

What is wrong with 200?

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Anonymous wrote:Sela has a low gap. Whittier has a low gap with at-risk kids outperforming not at risk on ELA.

Enough with the sela boosting. Let them get to be a real size school before we star the boosting already. TIA

Sela has 16% more students than Ross. (202 vs. 174). So if one isn't a "real size school" and can't take pride in its accomplishments, than neither should the other.

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Anonymous wrote:Sela has a low gap. Whittier has a low gap with at-risk kids outperforming not at risk on ELA.

Enough with the sela boosting. Let them get to be a real size school before we star the boosting already. TIA

What a bizarre statement. Sorry for your clear trauma. Be well.

No trauma here. I am rooting for Sela. However, they should not be a school that should be revered until they show they are established and have a decent population size. But you knew that.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Southwest and was so pleased to see Amidon's improvement. A bunch of community members offered weekly small group or one-on-one math tutoring to 3rd graders and it looks like that helped (of course, more credit is due to the teachers!).

Jefferson Academy is also showing improvement. This is the first year they had enough white students for their scores to be broken out and they were 100% proficient in ELA and 91% in math--better than the same group at Latin, Deal, or Stuart-Hobson (the only schools I checked). The school also exceeded DC averages for ELA for both at-risk and non-at-risk students, though math has a ways to go.

SSS to reach that conclusion for Jefferson and probably Stuart Hobson. Shocking that white students are more affluent and less likely to be at risk wherever they are in DC. Not really news.

I don't know what SSS means but if white Jefferson students are doing better than white students at Deal, SH, or WL, it should help parents of white kids IB for Jefferson feel more confident enrolling their kids there. I often hear people in various parts of the city say their IB school is "not an option" because of concerns that the school is too focused on bringing up the scores of at-risk kids and won't serve their kid well, or because they're worried their kid won't have any high-performing peers. Jefferson's test results should help dispel both of those concerns (I'll be curious to see the MGP scores as well), though I know there are still plenty of families that will make other middle school choices.

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Anonymous wrote:Sela has a low gap. Whittier has a low gap with at-risk kids outperforming not at risk on ELA.

Enough with the sela boosting. Let them get to be a real size school before we star the boosting already. TIA

What a bizarre statement. Sorry for your clear trauma. Be well.