Anonymous
12/30/2024 15:05
Subject: WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is another reason why we need the “adversity score” on the SAT.
This makes it worse for my child. Try being a white student on major financial aid in a college prep school. All the richies and URM's get the good colleges. No one wants smart white kids that need aid. Colleges need money or numbers to check off their list. If you aren't one, you are not getting in.
Upper middle class whites are the single largest demo of high-scoring students, so they just squeeze each other out.
Why did you just bump a thread from over 5 years ago??
I needed more time.
A+.
Anonymous
12/30/2024 15:01
Subject: WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
Anonymous wrote:Several times teachers have encouraged us to seek an accommodation for one of our kids just because they were sometimes inattentive in class and slow on tests -but they were clearly in the range of normal and generally do quite well in school. Many other parents seemed to jump at the chance to give their kids extra time - I'm stunned by the number of kids we know who get extra time - cannot be a coincidence. The pattern is clear - get your kids extra time, have them take the ACT where that really matters. These kids are getting 34+ and into Top 50 schools with this strategy. I'm not that bothered by this because nothing in college admissions is "fair" - this is a drop in the bucket, but I'm stunned at the rationalization and lack of self-awareness I've seen from other families about how they are using the system. As my kid is struggling through test prep and learning to go faster to get the score they need, I'm telling myself I'm doing the right thing by my kid by encouraging them to learn to compensate for a weakness that will help them in the future.
I feel badly for your kid. The teachers recognize the disability but the parents are in denial. Sad.
Anonymous
12/30/2024 15:00
Subject: WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why not give all of the test takers extra time. If they finish early, they can leave. If they need the extra time for whatever reason (maybe undiagnosed LD) they will have it along with the test takers who need the additional time.
Because those with the “true” accomodations don’t want that. They just want their kid to get the extra time to “level” the playing field...
That is not true. Extra time for people who don't need it don't help them.
I can give your child my glasses also.. not biggie. They can also use the ramp at school instead of the stairs.
So....the ones who don't need the extra time leave when they are done and let the others who need extra time have it? Not really seeing the downside there.
It creates a disruption to constantly have kids getting up, turning in papers, and leaving.
Anonymous
12/30/2024 14:30
Subject: WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
Several times teachers have encouraged us to seek an accommodation for one of our kids just because they were sometimes inattentive in class and slow on tests -but they were clearly in the range of normal and generally do quite well in school. Many other parents seemed to jump at the chance to give their kids extra time - I'm stunned by the number of kids we know who get extra time - cannot be a coincidence. The pattern is clear - get your kids extra time, have them take the ACT where that really matters. These kids are getting 34+ and into Top 50 schools with this strategy. I'm not that bothered by this because nothing in college admissions is "fair" - this is a drop in the bucket, but I'm stunned at the rationalization and lack of self-awareness I've seen from other families about how they are using the system. As my kid is struggling through test prep and learning to go faster to get the score they need, I'm telling myself I'm doing the right thing by my kid by encouraging them to learn to compensate for a weakness that will help them in the future.
Anonymous
12/30/2024 14:02
Subject: WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is another reason why we need the “adversity score” on the SAT.
This makes it worse for my child. Try being a white student on major financial aid in a college prep school. All the richies and URM's get the good colleges. No one wants smart white kids that need aid. Colleges need money or numbers to check off their list. If you aren't one, you are not getting in.
Upper middle class whites are the single largest demo of high-scoring students, so they just squeeze each other out.
Why did you just bump a thread from over 5 years ago??
I needed more time.
Anonymous
12/30/2024 13:44
Subject: WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
Anonymous wrote:5 year old thread...
bored government workers
Anonymous
12/30/2024 13:39
Subject: WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
5 year old thread...
Anonymous
12/30/2024 13:22
Subject: Re:WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
DC has reading issues. The past two years have been painful - grades, AP and SAT scores. I'm paying $$$ for therapies. I fought any accommodations or diagnosis for years, thinking if only DC applied themselves more. After the diagnosis, I felt awful for not believing DC about their LD.
I would 100% prefer DC NOT have these issues and NOT need accommodations. I'll trade places with any of you who don't have these issues.
FWIW, I have another child who doesn't have these issues. I didn't get to pick and choose which issues my children were born with, just as children didn't get to pick and choose their parents.
I would 100% prefer DC NOT have these issues and NOT need accommodations. I'll trade places with any of you who don't have these issues.
FWIW, I have another child who doesn't have these issues. I didn't get to pick and choose which issues my children were born with, just as children didn't get to pick and choose their parents.
Anonymous
12/30/2024 12:53
Subject: WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree with this. Our child needs additional time because of diabetes. They need to measure blood sugar and inject insulin if blood sugar is high or eat/drink something if blood sugar is low. My friend's child gets additional time because of epilepsy: their brain sometimes stops working for a few seconds here and there. Therefore it would be unfair to the truly sick kids to disallow the additional time for all. Everybody should be able to take as much time as they need.Anonymous wrote:Why not give all of the test takers extra time. If they finish early, they can leave. If they need the extra time for whatever reason (maybe undiagnosed LD) they will have it along with the test takers who need the additional time.
We have a friend’s DC who had extra time for the ACT and scored 36 out of 36. DC has diabetes. What should have been given was time in between the sections for the DC to eat and test sugar/insulin levels - not extra time to do a speed based test. DC is now seeking extra time on MCAT.
There are kids with diabetes that get extra time and are allowed to have snacks in the room with them.
Diabetic kids should not get extra time on tests but extra time between sections of the tests to check insulin level etc.
Because blood sugar is so variable (and is least predictable under stressful conditions), the delta can be extreme and potentially very dangerous, and high/low blood sugar has cognitive impacts, what T1Ds actually need is (1) ability to test blood glucose during as needed, (2) breaks as needed to regulate blood sugar, (3) and ability to eat/drink as needed.
Since this could obviously be disruptive to non-T1Ds, one-on-one testing is optimal, though this cannot be guaranteed.
FYI, we also got permission to use Dexcom though phone, but the phone had to be on proctor’s desk, and in some kind of mode that would make looking things up impossible. College Board provided instructions.
I offer this to any potential T1D parents bc it took a while to figure out what to request.
Okay, carry on with your arguing now.
Anonymous
12/30/2024 12:10
Subject: WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is another reason why we need the “adversity score” on the SAT.
This makes it worse for my child. Try being a white student on major financial aid in a college prep school. All the richies and URM's get the good colleges. No one wants smart white kids that need aid. Colleges need money or numbers to check off their list. If you aren't one, you are not getting in.
Upper middle class whites are the single largest demo of high-scoring students, so they just squeeze each other out.
Why did you just bump a thread from over 5 years ago??
Anonymous
12/30/2024 12:01
Subject: WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is another reason why we need the “adversity score” on the SAT.
This makes it worse for my child. Try being a white student on major financial aid in a college prep school. All the richies and URM's get the good colleges. No one wants smart white kids that need aid. Colleges need money or numbers to check off their list. If you aren't one, you are not getting in.
Upper middle class whites are the single largest demo of high-scoring students, so they just squeeze each other out.
Anonymous
05/22/2019 20:16
Subject: Re:WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
Anonymous wrote:The wealthier the parents, the greater the probability of children having debilitating learning difficulties, that need remedying by allowing the children extra time on standardized tests. This, when coupled with expensive one-to-one coaching over a long time, brings out the true genius in these children. With legacy, early admission, and full-pay as cherry on top, these children will become newly minted matriculates of the Ivies. With the generous practice by Ivies of grade inflation, free tutoring, ensuring that no one fails, these children will one day become adults and graduates of the said Ivies. Finally, the trusted family connections come in handy in securing lucrative careers for the newly minted Ivy graduates of the wealthy.
What is not to love of American education and social class system! When we soon get rid of the one small irksome problem of universities giving consideration for children of URM, first-gen, poor families, voila! we will have devised the perfect cycle for perpetuating our wealthy dynasties.
+ 1,000,000
Anonymous
05/22/2019 19:50
Subject: Re:WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
Anonymous wrote:If the test designers are doing their job (test measures what it is supposed to without artifacts) then extra time could be allowed for everyone with no benefit to those without disabilities. In recent versions of SAT, they have rushed the research/ validation and can’t demonstrate the measurement equivalence of versions under different accommodation conditions.
Since 20% of the population has a reading disability- most commonly dyslexia- these numbers for extended time seem about right. Not all kids with dyslexia are diagnosed and there are many other disabilities for whom extended time is an appropriate accommodation.
The educational test publishers seem to have abandoned all professional standards in an attempt to make money.
+1. There are so many issues with College Board and its actions under Coleman it's hard to know where to start. I think I read that the validation study having to do with first year college grades will finally be published this summer, for a test that has now been in use for 3 yrs. Separately, standardization questions continue to grow. I suppose they're hoping to continue riding the coattails of ETS's work product quality from decades gone by, but as a parent who is paying attention, my view is that he broke it. Unfortunately, my kids-without-accommodations-who-read-on-the-slow-side cannot turn to ACT for the speed reason.
Anonymous
05/22/2019 19:47
Subject: WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
My sister in law is a teacher at one of the schools mentioned in the article. She has been talking about this issue for many years, as well as the issue of rampant use of "life coaching"(consultants who map out how a kid is supposed to position themselves for college application in terms of classes, activities etc.) and excessive tutoring.
Anonymous
05/22/2019 18:09
Subject: Re:WSJ article on more students especially the affluent get extra time on SAT
If the test designers are doing their job (test measures what it is supposed to without artifacts) then extra time could be allowed for everyone with no benefit to those without disabilities. In recent versions of SAT, they have rushed the research/ validation and can’t demonstrate the measurement equivalence of versions under different accommodation conditions.
Since 20% of the population has a reading disability- most commonly dyslexia- these numbers for extended time seem about right. Not all kids with dyslexia are diagnosed and there are many other disabilities for whom extended time is an appropriate accommodation.
The educational test publishers seem to have abandoned all professional standards in an attempt to make money.
Since 20% of the population has a reading disability- most commonly dyslexia- these numbers for extended time seem about right. Not all kids with dyslexia are diagnosed and there are many other disabilities for whom extended time is an appropriate accommodation.
The educational test publishers seem to have abandoned all professional standards in an attempt to make money.