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Anonymous wrote:My son’s roommate at Lehigh turned down Cornell. He said that he visited twice and the students just seemed stressed out and depressed. We saw the same thing when we visited. On a bright sunny Saturday afternoon, there were no students out and about and the ones in the coffee shop were alone and had headphones in. We didn’t see a single person hanging out with a group of friends. It was just plain weird.

If that was all your DC saw, he would not be qualified to attend anyway. No problem.

Not the PP, but my son observed the above as well. And he was very well qualified to attend. 36 ACT, 3.9 UW GPA, 5s on most APs, etc. etc. The only difference between my DS and those who think it is OK to be solitary in your college experience is having a soul.

Anonymous wrote:My son’s roommate at Lehigh turned down Cornell. He said that he visited twice and the students just seemed stressed out and depressed. We saw the same thing when we visited. On a bright sunny Saturday afternoon, there were no students out and about and the ones in the coffee shop were alone and had headphones in. We didn’t see a single person hanging out with a group of friends. It was just plain weird.

If that was all your DC saw, he would not be qualified to attend anyway. No problem.

Anonymous wrote:Cornell is the obvious choice. Many top firms including Ibanks, mbb consulting do not even look at applications from average schools like Michigan

This is one of those sarcastic posts, correct? Since Michigan's Ross school is very competitive and pretty much a feeder school to the places you are mentioning, right?

(see how I played both possibilities there?)

Anonymous wrote:Cornell is the obvious choice. Many top firms including Ibanks, mbb consulting do not even look at applications from average schools like Michigan

I picture you, PP, looking like either Andy or Angela from The Office, dressed much the same way as you probably did in 1989, all in khaki and Brooks Brothers and showily expensive shoes, still prattling on to anyone who will listen about ivy league schools even though you're in your 40s or 50s.

For the record, lots of "top firms" recruit from the most selective of the public universities, including Michigan, UCLA, Cal, and UT Austin, and the "top firms" that don't will continue to cultivate their country-club talent pool while the rest of us skate on in to the future. The kids who attend public universities like Michigan are often just as smart and motivated as the ones who attend your preferred handful of preppy schools, but they wanted a bigger fishtank, or they weren't legacies, or they needed to use DC TAG, or they didn't have Mommy and Daddy help them build a nonprofit when they were 12, or they (God forbid) hadn't developed a "passion" by age 17, or they just didn't manage to win the admissions lottery. Few do, yet most manage to survive.

Cornell is the obvious choice. Many top firms including Ibanks, mbb consulting do not even look at applications from average schools like Michigan

ND is awesome but I need to look more into experiences of non-Catholic students. Extremely connected alums, gorgeous campus, nearby airport, research and mentoring opportunities all around great.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son’s roommate at Lehigh turned down Cornell. He said that he visited twice and the students just seemed stressed out and depressed. We saw the same thing when we visited. On a bright sunny Saturday afternoon, there were no students out and about and the ones in the coffee shop were alone and had headphones in. We didn’t see a single person hanging out with a group of friends. It was just plain weird.

Very astute of you to conclude that all 15k students are depressed and stressed.

If you’ve ever visited a college campus, they all have an overall feel. We visited 22
And some definitely had the stressed/depressed vibe.

Anonymous wrote:My son’s roommate at Lehigh turned down Cornell. He said that he visited twice and the students just seemed stressed out and depressed. We saw the same thing when we visited. On a bright sunny Saturday afternoon, there were no students out and about and the ones in the coffee shop were alone and had headphones in. We didn’t see a single person hanging out with a group of friends. It was just plain weird.

Very astute of you to conclude that all 15k students are depressed and stressed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid chose Notre Dame over Cornell. I think at that time Cornell was ranked higher than ND. Now ND is ranked higher than Cornell. How about that.

He chose ND because the environment seemed to be fun and collaborative while still academically rigorous.

I don't understand the obsession over ivies or rankings to be honest. Go to the school that is the best fit.

And yet you’re entirely aware of the ranking. Interesting.

Sure, but the point is that rankings shift and should not be the only consideration in a decision.

Anonymous wrote:My kid chose Notre Dame over Cornell. I think at that time Cornell was ranked higher than ND. Now ND is ranked higher than Cornell. How about that.

He chose ND because the environment seemed to be fun and collaborative while still academically rigorous.

I don't understand the obsession over ivies or rankings to be honest. Go to the school that is the best fit.

And yet you’re entirely aware of the ranking. Interesting.

My kid chose Notre Dame over Cornell. I think at that time Cornell was ranked higher than ND. Now ND is ranked higher than Cornell. How about that.

He chose ND because the environment seemed to be fun and collaborative while still academically rigorous.

I don't understand the obsession over ivies or rankings to be honest. Go to the school that is the best fit.

Anonymous wrote:Do you mean “gray”?

DP. While gray is more commonly used in the US, grey is also correct.

My son’s roommate at Lehigh turned down Cornell. He said that he visited twice and the students just seemed stressed out and depressed. We saw the same thing when we visited. On a bright sunny Saturday afternoon, there were no students out and about and the ones in the coffee shop were alone and had headphones in. We didn’t see a single person hanging out with a group of friends. It was just plain weird.

Anonymous wrote:There would be NO reason to choose Michigan over Cornell.

Financial. No 2nd or 3rd level soft ivy is worth $70,000+ per year.

There would be NO reason to choose Michigan over Cornell.