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Anonymous wrote:DH here: I thought it was lame, insulting, and will backfire. Whatever market research says about who does the shopping, I find it very hard to believe men don’t have or express preferences about shaving items, which are reasonably personal, and I suspect this is going to hurt Gillette more than it helps. Woke Capital is tiresome and is due a comeuppance. We shall see, the reaction will be interesting.

What about it did you find insulting? Genuinely? To me it seemed very pro man, just pro good man.

No one is disputing that part.

It's just that a big cosmetics company with only two women in corporate leadership positions is probably not the one that should be lecturing anyone about "goodness".

I personally have struggled to think about to address toxic masculinity without squashing my son's general masculinity.

You know now it became normal for women to work? Trailblazing women doing it and media normalizing it by showing women working. Sure maybe sometimes to make money, but it changed the cultural conversation. Feminism works because it is positive. It is pro women. And it's a movement that changed women and brought them forward. Men need a similar movement but we shouldn't call it toxic masculinity. It needs to be positive and about how to be a good man. And it will take off probably when media normalizes it. When movies the wolf of wall street aren't glorified.

I'm not saying Gillette is some model company we all need to purchase from now but I like their contribution to this conversation. And despite the general problem with it I like that it's a mostly Male company putting this out. Men need to do this with other men not with women patting them on the back or it won't feel like masculinity.

Lots of women despise feminism.

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Anonymous wrote:DH here: I thought it was lame, insulting, and will backfire. Whatever market research says about who does the shopping, I find it very hard to believe men don’t have or express preferences about shaving items, which are reasonably personal, and I suspect this is going to hurt Gillette more than it helps. Woke Capital is tiresome and is due a comeuppance. We shall see, the reaction will be interesting.

What about it did you find insulting? Genuinely? To me it seemed very pro man, just pro good man.

No one is disputing that part.

It's just that a big cosmetics company with only two women in corporate leadership positions is probably not the one that should be lecturing anyone about "goodness".

I personally have struggled to think about to address toxic masculinity without squashing my son's general masculinity.

You know now it became normal for women to work? Trailblazing women doing it and media normalizing it by showing women working. Sure maybe sometimes to make money, but it changed the cultural conversation. Feminism works because it is positive. It is pro women. And it's a movement that changed women and brought them forward. Men need a similar movement but we shouldn't call it toxic masculinity. It needs to be positive and about how to be a good man. And it will take off probably when media normalizes it. When movies the wolf of wall street aren't glorified.

I'm not saying Gillette is some model company we all need to purchase from now but I like their contribution to this conversation. And despite the general problem with it I like that it's a mostly Male company putting this out. Men need to do this with other men not with women patting them on the back or it won't feel like masculinity.

Anonymous wrote:This ad is virtue signallers and their ilk creating their own echo chamber. Let them do so if they choose.

Anonymous wrote:This is why your daughters will never be married and you will have to pay for their IVF if you want grandchildren. On the plus side, you can help them screen sperm donors.

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PP you keep talking about the commercial and that is fair but do you not see the core problem that this commercial is tackling? I think, for example, that radical muslims absolutely are facing negativity because they have been violent and have hurt people. In the same vein, men are responsible for mass shootings, responsible for assault and harassment of women. Not all men of course, but this is a problem in how we are raising boys. A problem we need to tackle as a society. Maybe Gillette isn't getting 100% right but I think they're getting closer to it then we have gotten so far.

No, no, no.

Muslims have not been violent and hurt people. Some particular Muslims have, and only they are responsible for their misdeeds, not the group as a whole.

"Men" are not responsible for mass shootings and assault and harassment of men. Only a tiny minority of particular men. This is not a problem in "how we are raising boys" because nobody is raising their son to be a violent criminal.

Um, a tiny minority of men? Statistics on rape, murder, sexual assault, and pedophilia suggest that many, many, MANY men are doing this crap. Obviously a lot of people are (unintentionally) raising their sons to be criminals.

Have you ever asked the men in your lives how old they were when they lost their virginity and to whom? Do you know many male rapes and sexual assaults go unreported?

How does your response counter my argument? Do you believe it's women raping these men and boys? Because by and large, it is not. Males are doing this to women, girls, and boys and men. Lots and lots of males are doing this. So what is wrong with them? It must be cultural right because men are not inherently bad. Are they?

Males between the age of 11-14 have their virginity stolen by older women. These female predators are not held accountable because sexual assault of boys is widely unreported.

Anonymous wrote:I honestly can't think of any fathers who would let their sons roll around the yard punching each other, or sit there and watch someone else's kids get beat up.