Anonymous
07/28/2018 22:03
Subject: Re:What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That’s an attribute of elite colleges these days.
Oops — this was meant as a response to the post about the relatively high percentage of first gen students at UChicago.[/quote
I don’t disagree, but PP seems to think that Chicago is more attended by the rich and the highly educated than ND and NU. The stats say the opposite: Chicago has fewer highly wealthy students than NU and ND, it has more first generation college students, and more students who come from low income families.
The most elite colleges do this--extensive outreach to first generation students and also offering need-blind admissions with grant-only FA for families with qualifying incomes. This is true at Chicago, HYP, Stanford, Swarthmore, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, MIT, and generally other colleges with very large endowments. Notre Dame and Northwestern are NOT on this list.
25% of the campus being poor first-generation kids is not a prestigious asset. Prestige = brand recognition + status + connections + high-soaring dating pool. So not only is Chicago's name and brand rec low, they also have a lot of poor, unconnected kids. Noble? Sure. Prestigious? Nope.
Most prestigious in Midwest is Notre Dame.
Anonymous
07/28/2018 21:57
Subject: Re:What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
Anonymous wrote:
Notre Dame actually has plenty of liberals among its ranks:
https://ndsmcobserver.com/2016/11/nd-votes-mock-election/
Why is this surprising? Catholics have a tradition of being committed to social justice and liberal thinking.
+1 I have never understood why some think Catholicism is synonymous with conservatism.
Anonymous
07/28/2018 21:03
Subject: What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That’s an attribute of elite colleges these days.
Oops — this was meant as a response to the post about the relatively high percentage of first gen students at UChicago.[/quote
I don’t disagree, but PP seems to think that Chicago is more attended by the rich and the highly educated than ND and NU. The stats say the opposite: Chicago has fewer highly wealthy students than NU and ND, it has more first generation college students, and more students who come from low income families.
The most elite colleges do this--extensive outreach to first generation students and also offering need-blind admissions with grant-only FA for families with qualifying incomes. This is true at Chicago, HYP, Stanford, Swarthmore, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, MIT, and generally other colleges with very large endowments. Notre Dame and Northwestern are NOT on this list.
Anonymous
07/28/2018 20:12
Subject: What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
Anonymous
07/28/2018 20:10
Subject: What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who's defining prestige here? If we're talking the elite 1%ers, Chicago. If we're talking the general public, Michigan or Notre Dame.
Wrong. 1 in 4 Chicago kids is poor. Notre Dame has highest % of rich kids and the fewest % of poor. Michigan has the most rich kids overall, as it's 3 to 4x size of these Midwest private peers.
% of top one percenter students (HHI $630K+):
Notre Dame 15.4%
Northwestern University 14.1
University of Chicago 10.0
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 9.3
% of bottom 65 percentile students (HHI <$65K):
University of Chicago 24.5%
Northwestern University 16.8
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 16.5
Notre Dame 10.0
Where are you getting this data? The top 1% in terms of HHI is $450K, not $630K.
https://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/income-rank/index.html
Anonymous
07/28/2018 19:55
Subject: What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
Michigan
Anonymous
07/28/2018 19:54
Subject: What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
Okay I’ll try- I am from Evanston. I would say it’s University of Chicago, Notre Dame then Northwestern.
Anonymous
07/28/2018 19:21
Subject: What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That’s an attribute of elite colleges these days.
Oops — this was meant as a response to the post about the relatively high percentage of first gen students at UChicago.
I don’t disagree, but PP seems to think that Chicago is more attended by the rich and the highly educated than ND and NU. The stats say the opposite: Chicago has fewer highly wealthy students than NU and ND, it has more first generation college students, and more students who come from low income families.
Anonymous
07/28/2018 19:18
Subject: What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
Anonymous wrote:That’s an attribute of elite colleges these days.
Oops — this was meant as a response to the post about the relatively high percentage of first gen students at UChicago.
Anonymous
07/28/2018 19:15
Subject: What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
That’s an attribute of elite colleges these days.
Anonymous
07/28/2018 19:15
Subject: What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who's defining prestige here? If we're talking the elite 1%ers, Chicago. If we're talking the general public, Michigan or Notre Dame.
Wrong. 1 in 4 Chicago kids is poor. Notre Dame has highest % of rich kids and the fewest % of poor. Michigan has the most rich kids overall, as it's 3 to 4x size of these Midwest private peers.
% of top one percenter students (HHI $630K+):
Notre Dame 15.4%
Northwestern University 14.1
University of Chicago 10.0
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 9.3
% of bottom 65 percentile students (HHI <$65K):
University of Chicago 24.5%
Northwestern University 16.8
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 16.5
Notre Dame 10.0
"Elite" 1%ers. Not just money, we're talking about the cultural, educational, and political elite in addition to the moneyed tippy top.
Former Midwesterner here with an "elite" background- people don't care about this stuff as much as they do in DC. Most company executives went to Big 10 schools. Politicians often went to a local school, including mediocre law schools, or occasionally boomeranged back from an elite college out east.
Anonymous
07/28/2018 19:12
Subject: What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who's defining prestige here? If we're talking the elite 1%ers, Chicago. If we're talking the general public, Michigan or Notre Dame.
Wrong. 1 in 4 Chicago kids is poor. Notre Dame has highest % of rich kids and the fewest % of poor. Michigan has the most rich kids overall, as it's 3 to 4x size of these Midwest private peers.
% of top one percenter students (HHI $630K+):
Notre Dame 15.4%
Northwestern University 14.1
University of Chicago 10.0
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 9.3
% of bottom 65 percentile students (HHI <$65K):
University of Chicago 24.5%
Northwestern University 16.8
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 16.5
Notre Dame 10.0
"Elite" 1%ers. Not just money, we're talking about the cultural, educational, and political elite in addition to the moneyed tippy top.
University of Chicago has a much higher percent of first generation college students than do ND and NU.
Anonymous
07/28/2018 18:52
Subject: What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who's defining prestige here? If we're talking the elite 1%ers, Chicago. If we're talking the general public, Michigan or Notre Dame.
Wrong. 1 in 4 Chicago kids is poor. Notre Dame has highest % of rich kids and the fewest % of poor. Michigan has the most rich kids overall, as it's 3 to 4x size of these Midwest private peers.
% of top one percenter students (HHI $630K+):
Notre Dame 15.4%
Northwestern University 14.1
University of Chicago 10.0
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 9.3
% of bottom 65 percentile students (HHI <$65K):
University of Chicago 24.5%
Northwestern University 16.8
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 16.5
Notre Dame 10.0
"Elite" 1%ers. Not just money, we're talking about the cultural, educational, and political elite in addition to the moneyed tippy top.
Anonymous
07/28/2018 18:34
Subject: What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
Anonymous wrote:Who's defining prestige here? If we're talking the elite 1%ers, Chicago. If we're talking the general public, Michigan or Notre Dame.
Wrong. 1 in 4 Chicago kids is poor. Notre Dame has highest % of rich kids and the fewest % of poor. Michigan has the most rich kids overall, as it's 3 to 4x size of these Midwest private peers.
% of top one percenter students (HHI $630K+):
Notre Dame 15.4%
Northwestern University 14.1
University of Chicago 10.0
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 9.3
% of bottom 65 percentile students (HHI <$65K):
University of Chicago 24.5%
Northwestern University 16.8
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 16.5
Notre Dame 10.0
Anonymous
07/28/2018 17:52
Subject: What do people consider the most prestigious college in the Midwest?
Anonymous wrote:Who's defining prestige here? If we're talking the elite 1%ers, Chicago. If we're talking the general public, Michigan or Notre Dame.
Academic 1%ers maybe (e.g. PhDs) but certainly not economic 1%ers.