Anonymous wrote:For Virginia residents, Michigan costs $120,000+ more than UVA.

And? This isn’t relevant to the conversation.

For Virginia residents, Michigan costs $120,000+ more than UVA.

Sorry, I should add: the company uses them to advise universities on student behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia is clearly the higher ranked undergraduate university - I think we can all agree on that.
And it takes mostly Virginia students unlike Michigan which is mostly out of state students.

+1. Statistically, UVA is ahead of Michigan. It's now become very difficult to get into. I agree with those above who think the UVA-bashing may be disgruntled students or parents. Many families close to me did not get their UVA legacy admitted this year. These are triple-legacy families who have extensively supported UVA and, of course, their kids have the 4.44+ GPA and 35-36 ACT and necessary ECs. This is a very upsetting issue for NoVA families, especially legacies, trying to get in from NoVA.

Not a NoVA family. My kid isn’t applying to UVA any time soon. I still think UVA is overrated.

Where are you applying? Could your DC get in if he/she did apply? Be honest.

My kid isn’t applying this year. I go on this board to see what the discussions are like around various colleges. My assertions come from being married to someone who works in higher ed and from my own experiences at both public and prep schools.

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I think UVA is overrated, as does my husband, who works with universities all over the country, and has relationships with deans at UVA, Michigan, and many other universities.

Cool. So the reasons are a secret the? The moms in my neighborhood think UVA is the zenith, the most coveted of all acceptances. And these are kids in the top 10% of their class.

And the moms in your neighborhood know more than someone who runs a team that develops models around which universities students prefer?

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.

My husband runs a team that develops marketing and sales analytic models for universities. He has quantitative data to back up the assertion that UVA is less of a draw for kids than Michigan. It is considered less desirable. I doubt moms in your neighborhood have more authority on this matter than his team does.

By less of a draw you mean fewer apply to UVA? I guess that's because you need a much higher GPA and ACT/SAT score to get into UVA than Michigan. That would completely account for the finding it's "less of a draw." Plus if you're not in the top 10% of your class it's an extreme longshot. I guess that would make it less of a draw too.

No. These are complex models that utilize R, Python, etc. Way more complicated than just looking at number of applicants. They’re used by a large company to predict prospective student behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan and Virginia have very similar overall yields (percentage of applicants offered admission who actually attend), but UVA’s out of state yield is consistently lower than Michigan’s. On the surface, this might suggest that Michigan is a bigger draw for out of state. What more likely makes the difference is that UVA is much more selective for out-of-state applicants than Michigan. So out of state UVA applicants who are accepted are also more likely to be accepted at the very top private universities in the country, and will often choose them over UVA. This does not mean that UVA is less of a draw, it means that its out-of-state applicants have many more top options than Michigan’s.

Instate as well for UVA being most highly selective. Much more so than Michigan. For the entering UVA class of 2022, 94% are in the top 10% of their class (and 91% will ultimately matriculate). For Michigan, only 50% enrolled are in the top 10% of their class. Same comparisons can be made with ACTs. ACT scores at UVA keep climbing every year. Now a 34-35 is expected. Michigan is at 26. https://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg02_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=379. Re Michigan on CollegeData: "More than 50% of freshmen were in the top 10% of their high school class and scored over 1230 on the SAT I or over 26 on the ACT; about 60% or fewer of all applicants accepted."

Your data is dubious. Just a quick look at their web sites shows UVA middle 50% SAT at 1320 - 1500 for last year vs. 1350 - 1530 for Michigan. Both were 31-34 for ACT middle 50%.

https://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics
https://admissions.umich.edu/apply/freshmen-applicants/student-profile

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan and Virginia have very similar overall yields (percentage of applicants offered admission who actually attend), but UVA’s out of state yield is consistently lower than Michigan’s. On the surface, this might suggest that Michigan is a bigger draw for out of state. What more likely makes the difference is that UVA is much more selective for out-of-state applicants than Michigan. So out of state UVA applicants who are accepted are also more likely to be accepted at the very top private universities in the country, and will often choose them over UVA. This does not mean that UVA is less of a draw, it means that its out-of-state applicants have many more top options than Michigan’s.

Instate as well for UVA being most highly selective. Much more so than Michigan. For the entering UVA class of 2022, 94% are in the top 10% of their class (and 91% will ultimately matriculate). For Michigan, only 50% enrolled are in the top 10% of their class. Same comparisons can be made with ACTs. ACT scores at UVA keep climbing every year. Now a 34-35 is expected. Michigan is at 26. https://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg02_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=379. Re Michigan on CollegeData: "More than 50% of freshmen were in the top 10% of their high school class and scored over 1230 on the SAT I or over 26 on the ACT; about 60% or fewer of all applicants accepted."

I think your data is way off.

PP I don’t trust your source. I’d stick with the common data set for each school.

Anonymous wrote:Michigan and Virginia have very similar overall yields (percentage of applicants offered admission who actually attend), but UVA’s out of state yield is consistently lower than Michigan’s. On the surface, this might suggest that Michigan is a bigger draw for out of state. What more likely makes the difference is that UVA is much more selective for out-of-state applicants than Michigan. So out of state UVA applicants who are accepted are also more likely to be accepted at the very top private universities in the country, and will often choose them over UVA. This does not mean that UVA is less of a draw, it means that its out-of-state applicants have many more top options than Michigan’s.

Instate as well for UVA being most highly selective. Much more so than Michigan. For the entering UVA class of 2022, 94% are in the top 10% of their class (and 91% will ultimately matriculate). For Michigan, only 50% enrolled are in the top 10% of their class. Same comparisons can be made with ACTs. ACT scores at UVA keep climbing every year. Now a 34-35 is expected. Michigan is at 26. https://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg02_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=379. Re Michigan on CollegeData: "More than 50% of freshmen were in the top 10% of their high school class and scored over 1230 on the SAT I or over 26 on the ACT; about 60% or fewer of all applicants accepted."

Michigan and Virginia have very similar overall yields (percentage of applicants offered admission who actually attend), but UVA’s out of state yield is consistently lower than Michigan’s. On the surface, this might suggest that Michigan is a bigger draw for out of state. What more likely makes the difference is that UVA is much more selective for out-of-state applicants than Michigan. So out of state UVA applicants who are accepted are also more likely to be accepted at the very top private universities in the country, and will often choose them over UVA. This does not mean that UVA is less of a draw, it means that its out-of-state applicants have many more top options than Michigan’s.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia is clearly the higher ranked undergraduate university - I think we can all agree on that.
And it takes mostly Virginia students unlike Michigan which is mostly out of state students.

+1. Statistically, UVA is ahead of Michigan. It's now become very difficult to get into. I agree with those above who think the UVA-bashing may be disgruntled students or parents. Many families close to me did not get their UVA legacy admitted this year. These are triple-legacy families who have extensively supported UVA and, of course, their kids have the 4.44+ GPA and 35-36 ACT and necessary ECs. This is a very upsetting issue for NoVA families, especially legacies, trying to get in from NoVA.

Not a NoVA family. My kid isn’t applying to UVA any time soon. I still think UVA is overrated.

Where are you applying? Could your DC get in if he/she did apply? Be honest.

My kid isn’t applying this year. I go on this board to see what the discussions are like around various colleges. My assertions come from being married to someone who works in higher ed and from my own experiences at both public and prep schools.

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I think UVA is overrated, as does my husband, who works with universities all over the country, and has relationships with deans at UVA, Michigan, and many other universities.

Cool. So the reasons are a secret the? The moms in my neighborhood think UVA is the zenith, the most coveted of all acceptances. And these are kids in the top 10% of their class.

And the moms in your neighborhood know more than someone who runs a team that develops models around which universities students prefer?

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.

My husband runs a team that develops marketing and sales analytic models for universities. He has quantitative data to back up the assertion that UVA is less of a draw for kids than Michigan. It is considered less desirable. I doubt moms in your neighborhood have more authority on this matter than his team does.

By less of a draw you mean fewer apply to UVA? I guess that's because you need a much higher GPA and ACT/SAT score to get into UVA than Michigan. That would completely account for the finding it's "less of a draw." Plus if you're not in the top 10% of your class it's an extreme longshot. I guess that would make it less of a draw too.

Actually, I think Michigan standardized scores have been trending above UVA. Michigan selectivity has gone up considerably since they opened admissions to more OOS kids. However, Parchment, which does have some data on cross-admit choices, shows UVA is chosen over Michigan 61% to 39%. Berkeley is chosen over UVA 67% to 33%.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia is clearly the higher ranked undergraduate university - I think we can all agree on that.
And it takes mostly Virginia students unlike Michigan which is mostly out of state students.

+1. Statistically, UVA is ahead of Michigan. It's now become very difficult to get into. I agree with those above who think the UVA-bashing may be disgruntled students or parents. Many families close to me did not get their UVA legacy admitted this year. These are triple-legacy families who have extensively supported UVA and, of course, their kids have the 4.44+ GPA and 35-36 ACT and necessary ECs. This is a very upsetting issue for NoVA families, especially legacies, trying to get in from NoVA.

Not a NoVA family. My kid isn’t applying to UVA any time soon. I still think UVA is overrated.

Where are you applying? Could your DC get in if he/she did apply? Be honest.

My kid isn’t applying this year. I go on this board to see what the discussions are like around various colleges. My assertions come from being married to someone who works in higher ed and from my own experiences at both public and prep schools.

and?

I think UVA is overrated, as does my husband, who works with universities all over the country, and has relationships with deans at UVA, Michigan, and many other universities.

Cool. So the reasons are a secret the? The moms in my neighborhood think UVA is the zenith, the most coveted of all acceptances. And these are kids in the top 10% of their class.

And the moms in your neighborhood know more than someone who runs a team that develops models around which universities students prefer?

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.

My husband runs a team that develops marketing and sales analytic models for universities. He has quantitative data to back up the assertion that UVA is less of a draw for kids than Michigan. It is considered less desirable. I doubt moms in your neighborhood have more authority on this matter than his team does.

By less of a draw you mean fewer apply to UVA? I guess that's because you need a much higher GPA and ACT/SAT score to get into UVA than Michigan. That would completely account for the finding it's "less of a draw." Plus if you're not in the top 10% of your class it's an extreme longshot. I guess that would make it less of a draw too.

Anonymous wrote:UVA is fine. I have no issue with the school. Its reputation is great in the DC area, decent on East Coast, meh on West Coast. But that’s not a huge deal.

The UVA mom cult on DCUM and IRL is crazy town though. Omg. It’s just a freakin’ state school. Get over yourself.

Total guess here, but I imagine that many dcun posters attended UVA, and many were in sororities. By and large, they are quite successful, married well, and covet their kids attending a school that now has an even better reputation than it did back in, say, 1988. It also comes with a discounted price for in-staters A lot of these moms are moderate types and the school still has a moderate vibe.

Apologies. Keeping track of posters is hard on an anonymous forum.

Of course it’s considered great here. It’s just not the national powerhouse Michigan is.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia is clearly the higher ranked undergraduate university - I think we can all agree on that.
And it takes mostly Virginia students unlike Michigan which is mostly out of state students.

+1. Statistically, UVA is ahead of Michigan. It's now become very difficult to get into. I agree with those above who think the UVA-bashing may be disgruntled students or parents. Many families close to me did not get their UVA legacy admitted this year. These are triple-legacy families who have extensively supported UVA and, of course, their kids have the 4.44+ GPA and 35-36 ACT and necessary ECs. This is a very upsetting issue for NoVA families, especially legacies, trying to get in from NoVA.

Not a NoVA family. My kid isn’t applying to UVA any time soon. I still think UVA is overrated.

Where are you applying? Could your DC get in if he/she did apply? Be honest.

My kid isn’t applying this year. I go on this board to see what the discussions are like around various colleges. My assertions come from being married to someone who works in higher ed and from my own experiences at both public and prep schools.

and?

I think UVA is overrated, as does my husband, who works with universities all over the country, and has relationships with deans at UVA, Michigan, and many other universities.

Cool. So the reasons are a secret the? The moms in my neighborhood think UVA is the zenith, the most coveted of all acceptances. And these are kids in the top 10% of their class.

And the moms in your neighborhood know more than someone who runs a team that develops models around which universities students prefer?

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.

My husband runs a team that develops marketing and sales analytic models for universities. He has quantitative data to back up the assertion that UVA is less of a draw for kids than Michigan. It is considered less desirable. I doubt moms in your neighborhood have more authority on this matter than his team does.

Please don’t snark at me. I’m a different poster who was genuinely curious about your post. Thanks for clarifying. I understand your point and have no reason to question it. But here in northern Virginia, the popularity of UVA is unbelievably high.

UVA is fine. I have no issue with the school. Its reputation is great in the DC area, decent on East Coast, meh on West Coast. But that’s not a huge deal.

The UVA mom cult on DCUM and IRL is crazy town though. Omg. It’s just a freakin’ state school. Get over yourself.