Anonymous
Post 05/01/2018 19:42     Subject: Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Damn white supremacists....oh....wait....

This is why Jews have not been afraid of the small, small number of people like those that marched in Charlottesville.

We know there are lots and lots of anti-semites in liberal government cities.


Lots? One NOI member whose bullhorn holder was just forced to quit. It's actually a pretty marginal group.


It's not though, especially on college campuses. The extreme hatred for Israel has often morphed into a threatening environment for Jews more broadly.


Why are you changing the subject from "liberal government cities" to "college campuses"? If anti-Semitism is running amok in liberal cities, there should be enough examples in those cities without needing to change the subject. Also, while sometimes opposition to Israeli policies overlaps with anti-Semitism, it is also true that proponents of Israel sometimes use allegations of anti-Semitism to stifle legitimate criticism. This could be a continuous debate in itself and is completely off-topic to this thread.


I didn't change the subject. I said "especially" on campus; that hardly excludes anti-Semitism in cities, which is plainly also an issue. And I brought up Israel as a frequent (although hardly exclusive) reason for the anti-Semitism from the left. More traditional anti-semitism from the right tends to have different route causes.

Even you acknowledge anti-Israel sentiments can, at times, cross over into broader anti-semitism so mentioning that as a frequent reason for anti-semitism on the left. (And I will agree that sometimes supporters of Israel will claim reasonable criticism of Israel is anti-semitism, although that discussion which you initiated, does seem somewhat off topic.)
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2018 19:37     Subject: Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Damn white supremacists....oh....wait....

This is why Jews have not been afraid of the small, small number of people like those that marched in Charlottesville.

We know there are lots and lots of anti-semites in liberal government cities.

Yup. This is what I've been trying to get across when liberals talk about the neo-Nazi groups on the alt-right, and proudly exclaiming how you don't find outright hatred like that on the left. No, I say, the minuscule number of people who marched in Charlottesville is nowhere near as concerning to me as the tolerance (or minimizing) of the antisemtitsm on the left. The very fact that White, already widely criticized for disrespect to Jews, can stuff his face while the rabbi is pleading for help in the face of antisemtism among DC leaders speaks to that very thing.


I feel you. From my own personal perspective am I frustrated if a video surfaces of a cop shouting racial expletives while beating black man who is not resisting arrest, heck yeah the outright bigotry is disgusting, but I totally get where you’re coming from cause I’m more angered by the tolerance of other officers who don’t say shit and allow such individuals to have a gun and a badge and patrol minority communities knowing what kind of people they are. I definitely feel you. But just like it’d be overzealous on my part to go full-fledged N.W.A and say, “F___ the police!” cause that attitude only exacerbates the problem the same applies to this, “F____ the liberals!” attitude. It don’t help shit. We gotta uproot out the weeds by all means we can’t piss on the whole damn lawn.

Yes. We are speaking the same language, although admittedly you have much more colorful expression! (I've been told that I lean too heavy to the formal side, as times.)

So true what you say. It is not the one NOI soldier spewing his venom that is the most upsetting, or the most dangerous - although that of course is reprehensible, just as is a cop shooting (or choking) a black man who presents no threat. It is the reaction of others who seek to downplay it (or worse, ignore it) because that is the behavior that enables more people like the NOI soldier to unashamedly advance the same - or even greater - prejudice. (Not sure if "soldier" is the right term.....)

(Reminds me when my then 6-year-old daughter snuck a little toy in her pocket at the store. My husband wanted to just forget it since it was such a minor infraction. No way, Jose! I did not want to teach our daughter than shoplifting a $5 item isn't so bad, or next time, she'd try to see if she could get away with a bigger theft. Plus I did not want her bragging to her friends that she stole a toy, and Mommy had no problem with it. I made her go back to the store with me, toy in hand, and admit to the owner that she took it and was wrong to do so.)

I am glad that Lopez was forced to resign but very disappointed that Trayon, who now seems to delight in showing disrespect to Jewish people, even a rabbi, will face no consequences.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2018 19:33     Subject: Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
I’m happy to know Joshua Lopez is gone cause for him to stand there and hold the megaphone while dude was saying those outright hurtful and disrespectful comments was indefensible - you got to go. As for Trayon, I ain’t thrilled that he’s still on the council but I ain’t lamenting it either cause way I see it his time is coming. He’s not going to last long with his defiant attitude and ignorant behavior it’s only a matter of months, maybe even weeks before his ass is ousted because he obviously can’t help himself. It’s a tweet of his circulating online from last July where he’s holding up a copy of “The Final Call” (NOI publication) and given the atmosphere in the District right now and attention on antisemitism and the increased urgency to reassure citizens that it’s not being tolerated- he ain’t gonna slide much longer.
jsteele
Post 05/01/2018 19:18     Subject: Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Damn white supremacists....oh....wait....

This is why Jews have not been afraid of the small, small number of people like those that marched in Charlottesville.

We know there are lots and lots of anti-semites in liberal government cities.


Lots? One NOI member whose bullhorn holder was just forced to quit. It's actually a pretty marginal group.


It's not though, especially on college campuses. The extreme hatred for Israel has often morphed into a threatening environment for Jews more broadly.


Why are you changing the subject from "liberal government cities" to "college campuses"? If anti-Semitism is running amok in liberal cities, there should be enough examples in those cities without needing to change the subject. Also, while sometimes opposition to Israeli policies overlaps with anti-Semitism, it is also true that proponents of Israel sometimes use allegations of anti-Semitism to stifle legitimate criticism. This could be a continuous debate in itself and is completely off-topic to this thread.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2018 19:15     Subject: Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Damn white supremacists....oh....wait....

This is why Jews have not been afraid of the small, small number of people like those that marched in Charlottesville.

We know there are lots and lots of anti-semites in liberal government cities.


Lots? One NOI member whose bullhorn holder was just forced to quit. It's actually a pretty marginal group.


It's not though, especially on college campuses. The extreme hatred for Israel has often morphed into a threatening environment for Jews more broadly.

Yes, so true. And we keep hearing that opposition to Israel is not tantamount to antisemitism - which it is not - but the overlap between the two is very real.

To get a real sense of things, take a look at the comments to the article about this morning's antisemitic flyer, posted upthread. The first several commenters remarked how indeed it was a shameful, despicable thing, but within one minute the comments had switched to over to condemnation of Israel. How, pray tell, does an article about horrendous antisemitism morph into expressions of hatred Israel?
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2018 18:49     Subject: Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Damn white supremacists....oh....wait....

This is why Jews have not been afraid of the small, small number of people like those that marched in Charlottesville.

We know there are lots and lots of anti-semites in liberal government cities.

Yup. This is what I've been trying to get across when liberals talk about the neo-Nazi groups on the alt-right, and proudly exclaiming how you don't find outright hatred like that on the left. No, I say, the minuscule number of people who marched in Charlottesville is nowhere near as concerning to me as the tolerance (or minimizing) of the antisemtitsm on the left. The very fact that White, already widely criticized for disrespect to Jews, can stuff his face while the rabbi is pleading for help in the face of antisemtism among DC leaders speaks to that very thing.


I feel you. From my own personal perspective am I frustrated if a video surfaces of a cop shouting racial expletives while beating black man who is not resisting arrest, heck yeah the outright bigotry is disgusting, but I totally get where you’re coming from cause I’m more angered by the tolerance of other officers who don’t say shit and allow such individuals to have a gun and a badge and patrol minority communities knowing what kind of people they are. I definitely feel you. But just like it’d be overzealous on my part to go full-fledged N.W.A and say, “F___ the police!” cause that attitude only exacerbates the problem the same applies to this, “F____ the liberals!” attitude. It don’t help shit. We gotta uproot out the weeds by all means we can’t piss on the whole damn lawn.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2018 18:48     Subject: Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Damn white supremacists....oh....wait....

This is why Jews have not been afraid of the small, small number of people like those that marched in Charlottesville.

We know there are lots and lots of anti-semites in liberal government cities.


Lots? One NOI member whose bullhorn holder was just forced to quit. It's actually a pretty marginal group.


It's not though, especially on college campuses. The extreme hatred for Israel has often morphed into a threatening environment for Jews more broadly.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2018 18:08     Subject: Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
Anonymous wrote:Damn white supremacists....oh....wait....

This is why Jews have not been afraid of the small, small number of people like those that marched in Charlottesville.

We know there are lots and lots of anti-semites in liberal government cities.

Yup. This is what I've been trying to get across when liberals talk about the neo-Nazi groups on the alt-right, and proudly exclaiming how you don't find outright hatred like that on the left. No, I say, the minuscule number of people who marched in Charlottesville is nowhere near as concerning to me as the tolerance (or minimizing) of the antisemtitsm on the left. The very fact that White, already widely criticized for disrespect to Jews, can stuff his face while the rabbi is pleading for help in the face of antisemtism among DC leaders speaks to that very thing.

jsteele
Post 05/01/2018 18:04     Subject: Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
Anonymous wrote:Damn white supremacists....oh....wait....

This is why Jews have not been afraid of the small, small number of people like those that marched in Charlottesville.

We know there are lots and lots of anti-semites in liberal government cities.


Lots? One NOI member whose bullhorn holder was just forced to quit. It's actually a pretty marginal group.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2018 17:53     Subject: Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
Damn white supremacists....oh....wait....

This is why Jews have not been afraid of the small, small number of people like those that marched in Charlottesville.

We know there are lots and lots of anti-semites in liberal government cities.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2018 17:34     Subject: Re:Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Martin Austermuhle has just tweeted that Josh Lopez has just resigned from the Housing Authority.

https://twitter.com/maustermuhle/status/991344462046560256

One word: Good.



I second that


Me too.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2018 16:55     Subject: Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
Shameful.

Anonymous
Post 05/01/2018 16:46     Subject: Re:Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
Antisemitic flyers found in Mount Pleasant this morning, with headlines like "Jew Fraud Hides Storm" and "Government Jews Murder 20 Million." This is what comes from looking the other way when a city councilman gets away with blatantly open antisemitism.

https://www.popville.com/2018/05/anti-semitic-poster-distributed-on-irving-street/
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2018 16:41     Subject: Re:Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Here's an update for those of you who aren't obsessive Twitter followers of those involved in local politics. The Council has breakfasts prior to Council sessions that are informal meetings. They aren't broadcast, but are open to the public. This morning, there was discussion of a resolution condemning hate speech. Twelve of the thirteen members present (Trayon White wasn't there at that time) supported the resolution. The only opponent was Elissa Silverman who didn't think the resolution went far enough. She demanded action rather than mere words. Silverman, Cheh, and Grosso all called for Josh Lopez to be removed from the Housing Commission. At some point, a Jewish faith leader interrupted them and yelled about Jews being called "termites". It was eventually agreed that Mendelson would draft a letter to Mayor Bowser asking her to remove Lopez and then circulate the letter for signatures. He is concerned that not all CMs will sign it.

There is video of Rabbi Herzfeld interrupting them here:

https://twitter.com/FenitN/status/991333292799643648

The Council then gathered on the Wilson Building stairs in an impromptu condemnation of hate speech.

The Council is also planning a visit to the Holocaust Museum and possibly the African American Museum. Finally, Brianne Nadeau is working with Bowser to plan an event on May 16 to learn about Jewish and African-American histories.

Edit to add: here is video of the statement on the steps of the Wilson building which included a specific reference to the anti-Semitic remarks previously spoken there:

https://twitter.com/FenitN/status/991338852760588288


WTH? White just kept right on eating his breakfast while Rabbi Herzfeld spoke--pretty disrespectful.

The Rabbi also put out a strong statement on our neighborhood listserv. I agree that strong action is needed re: recent anti-Semitic statements, and am glad that Lopez has been forced to resign.

-a black neighbor

Glad to hear it. (OP here.) We need more black neighbors, and non-Jews in general, to speak up as you have. When Jews complain about antisemitic behavior, far too often we are told we're making mountains out of molehills and just causing problems.

I also noticed White acting disrespectfully in the face of the Rabbi's impassioned plea. This is also why I think a stronger reprimand of some sort needs to be sent White's way. Given his actions over the last several days, including his adamant refusal to condemn the Farrakhan speaker's vile anti-Jew rhetoric, it's almost as if he is intentionally trying to demonstrate his disdain for Jews.

At least Lopez is out.


PP. Several black and other non-Jewish neighbors spoke up on the listserv and supported the Rabbi's statement.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2018 16:11     Subject: Re:Farrakhan Speaker Concludes Anti-Semitic Remarks with "Jews are Termites" at Trayon Support Rally
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Here's an update for those of you who aren't obsessive Twitter followers of those involved in local politics. The Council has breakfasts prior to Council sessions that are informal meetings. They aren't broadcast, but are open to the public. This morning, there was discussion of a resolution condemning hate speech. Twelve of the thirteen members present (Trayon White wasn't there at that time) supported the resolution. The only opponent was Elissa Silverman who didn't think the resolution went far enough. She demanded action rather than mere words. Silverman, Cheh, and Grosso all called for Josh Lopez to be removed from the Housing Commission. At some point, a Jewish faith leader interrupted them and yelled about Jews being called "termites". It was eventually agreed that Mendelson would draft a letter to Mayor Bowser asking her to remove Lopez and then circulate the letter for signatures. He is concerned that not all CMs will sign it.

There is video of Rabbi Herzfeld interrupting them here:

https://twitter.com/FenitN/status/991333292799643648

The Council then gathered on the Wilson Building stairs in an impromptu condemnation of hate speech.

The Council is also planning a visit to the Holocaust Museum and possibly the African American Museum. Finally, Brianne Nadeau is working with Bowser to plan an event on May 16 to learn about Jewish and African-American histories.

Edit to add: here is video of the statement on the steps of the Wilson building which included a specific reference to the anti-Semitic remarks previously spoken there:

https://twitter.com/FenitN/status/991338852760588288


WTH? White just kept right on eating his breakfast while Rabbi Herzfeld spoke--pretty disrespectful.

The Rabbi also put out a strong statement on our neighborhood listserv. I agree that strong action is needed re: recent anti-Semitic statements, and am glad that Lopez has been forced to resign.

-a black neighbor

Glad to hear it. (OP here.) We need more black neighbors, and non-Jews in general, to speak up as you have. When Jews complain about antisemitic behavior, far too often we are told we're making mountains out of molehills and just causing problems.

I also noticed White acting disrespectfully in the face of the Rabbi's impassioned plea. This is also why I think a stronger reprimand of some sort needs to be sent White's way. Given his actions over the last several days, including his adamant refusal to condemn the Farrakhan speaker's vile anti-Jew rhetoric, it's almost as if he is intentionally trying to demonstrate his disdain for Jews.

At least Lopez is out.