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Are you kidding me here? Why are you defending someone who has expressed such retrograde, abhorrent views and at every public opportunity has doubled down on them?

Because no such thing has happened. Get back to me when you are ready to discuss reality.

I'm completely ready to "discuss reality." Here is what White said: “And D.C. keep talking about, ‘We a resilient city.’ And that’s a model based off the Rothschilds controlling the climate to create natural disasters they can pay for to own the cities, man. Be careful.”

I'm dumbfounded that anyone with even the slightest awareness of history could suggest this is not anti-Semitic.

It is only anti-Semitic if you know that the Rothschilds are Jewish and are part of historical anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. If you don't know such things -- and it appears that White didn't -- it is no different than as if he had blamed the weather on the Smith family.

Yes, it is hard to believe that he was unaware of the religion of the Rothschilds, but I have run into other DC natives -- some quite well educated -- who also didn't know anything about the Rothschilds. You are confusing ignorance with anti-Semitism.

Moreover, White has not espoused his moronic conspiracy theory "at every public opportunity" and nor has he "doubled down on them". To the contrary, he apologized and engaged in an effort to educate himself about anti-Semitism. Given your misunderstanding of White's actions, it appears that White may not be the only one speaking from a position of ignorance.

Jeff, no offense, but the Councilmember has an undergraduate and graduate degree from fine, accredited universities. He is not an uneducated rube. As such, I simply cannot believe that he doesn't know the nature of his comments.

Further, the fact that he is monetarily supporting Rev. Farrakhan speaks volumes.

Actions speak louder than words.

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing more appalling than White's comments are some of the comments on this thread.

Yes, there are some truly disgusting comments here and I would love to know if the folks posting them are from this area or not.

What f**** difference does it make ?

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Are you kidding me here? Why are you defending someone who has expressed such retrograde, abhorrent views and at every public opportunity has doubled down on them?

Because no such thing has happened. Get back to me when you are ready to discuss reality.

I'm completely ready to "discuss reality." Here is what White said: “And D.C. keep talking about, ‘We a resilient city.’ And that’s a model based off the Rothschilds controlling the climate to create natural disasters they can pay for to own the cities, man. Be careful.”

I'm dumbfounded that anyone with even the slightest awareness of history could suggest this is not anti-Semitic.

Again just because you think something is anti Semitic doesn't make it so . You're fishing for it where it isn't clean cut and you enthusiastically put on your victimhood jacket when asked to prove beyond a sentence what it is about it that's so anti Semitic . Buzz off

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Are you kidding me here? Why are you defending someone who has expressed such retrograde, abhorrent views and at every public opportunity has doubled down on them?

Because no such thing has happened. Get back to me when you are ready to discuss reality.

I'm completely ready to "discuss reality." Here is what White said: “And D.C. keep talking about, ‘We a resilient city.’ And that’s a model based off the Rothschilds controlling the climate to create natural disasters they can pay for to own the cities, man. Be careful.”

I'm dumbfounded that anyone with even the slightest awareness of history could suggest this is not anti-Semitic.

It is only anti-Semitic if you know that the Rothschilds are Jewish and are part of historical anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. If you don't know such things -- and it appears that White didn't -- it is no different than as if he had blamed the weather on the Smith family.

Yes, it is hard to believe that he was unaware of the religion of the Rothschilds, but I have run into other DC natives -- some quite well educated -- who also didn't know anything about the Rothschilds. You are confusing ignorance with anti-Semitism.

Moreover, White has not espoused his moronic conspiracy theory "at every public opportunity" and nor has he "doubled down on them". To the contrary, he apologized and engaged in an effort to educate himself about anti-Semitism. Given your misunderstanding of White's actions, it appears that White may not be the only one speaking from a position of ignorance.

Anonymous wrote:The only thing more appalling than White's comments are some of the comments on this thread.

Yes, there are some truly disgusting comments here and I would love to know if the folks posting them are from this area or not.

The only thing more appalling than White's comments are some of the comments on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:
Are you kidding me here? Why are you defending someone who has expressed such retrograde, abhorrent views and at every public opportunity has doubled down on them?

Because no such thing has happened. Get back to me when you are ready to discuss reality.

I'm completely ready to "discuss reality." Here is what White said: “And D.C. keep talking about, ‘We a resilient city.’ And that’s a model based off the Rothschilds controlling the climate to create natural disasters they can pay for to own the cities, man. Be careful.”

I'm dumbfounded that anyone with even the slightest awareness of history could suggest this is not anti-Semitic.

Anonymous wrote:Dear Black People:

Show some class and dump that anti-Semitic clown Trayon White. Until then you don’t deserve to lead or represent people in this town.

Love, Everyone Else

I’m confused. Are you talking to all black people in DC? Are you insinuating that while black people may live in Wards 1 thru 7 since they’re black they all must be supporters of Trayon White? Are you implying that blacks are a monolith and you don’t need to direct your plea to his actual constituents, that you all blacks can be just lumped together regardless of where they live and regardless of who their actual elected officials are and that since they’re all black they all bear responsibility for reprimanding and removing the Ward 8 councilmember? That doesn’t sound right.

Dear Black People:

Show some class and dump that anti-Semitic clown Trayon White. Until then you don’t deserve to lead or represent people in this town.

Love, Everyone Else

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Anonymous wrote:Agree! We still have evidence on this thread of the very behavior we are talking about.....the propensity of progressive liberals to explain away very obvious antisemtitism - and who actually get angry at the Jews who are rightly pointing out that any bigotry toward Jewish people is completely unacceptable.

I don't agree that there is obvious anti-Semitism on White's part. Even you are unable to point to obvious anti-Semitism. He didn't know the Rothschilds are Jewish and was spreading his nutty conspiracy theory out of ignorance, not anti-Semitism. He left the tour group because of the reporter and the subsequent article by that reporter demonstrated that White's instincts were correct. This is not "explaining away very obvious anti-Semitism", but simply pointing out that there wasn't obvious anti-Semitism. I can't explain away something that wasn't there in the first place.

Don't you understand the harm that you are doing by describing someone as being an obvious anti-Semite when he is no such thing? Don't you see how that sort of unfair treatment could generate a backlash? How would you react to being publicly described as a racist? Would that make you more or less understanding of people of color?

You are choosing to credit his assertions as to why he left the museum and that the reporter had an agenda. Maybe that is true, but that is far from clear or the only reasonable explanation as to what occurred.

His presence at the museum was complete uncessary . Overkill much ?

It was all a show to demonstrate that he felt bad for advancing an antisemitic conspiracy theory. Thing is, he made things worse but not staying through the tour.

An analogy: a white DC politican makes an extremely offensive and bigoted remark about POC. To "make amends" and show he sympathizes with their history of persecution, he goes to the AA Museum. But then, he can't even be bothered competing the tour and goes for a smoke on the sidewalk. What message would that send, especially coming so close on the heels of his earlier racist remark? People in DC would be calling for his head.

Stop using the black community in your false equivalencies , your history is absolutely nothing compared to theirs , but if you continue to do that you would find yourselves even more isolated .

Uh, the history of Jews in the Middle East and Europe has many parallels to the African/African American experience: slavery, discrimination, intolerance, extermination and the list goes on. Both groups have been treated horribly by "the majority" in historical terms and for the past 150 years in the United States, it has been mostly the jews who have stood with African-Americans in the fight for civil and social justice. That is why American Jews get so upset when we see support from the AA community for someone like Louis Farrakahn, or when someone like Jesse Jackson calls NYC Hymietown.

It is disrespectful to a group of people who collectively have been standing side by side with the likes of MLK and many other American Civil Rights heroes.

+ 1 I also find it disheartening for someone to casually remark that [Jewish] history is absolutely nothing compared [to black history]. Not only does it show callous disregard for the largest genocide of the 20th century, but the overall persecution of the previous 3000 years. How does such a statement build understanding? Rather, it reveals hostility toward Jews who, as the PP above noted, stood hand-in-hand with blacks during the civil rights era. Why is not that statement called out for sewing division? Why does the blame always go to the Jews?

Furthermore, it should be understandable - expected, actually - that Jews will not want to continue to support black communities that demonstrate such hostilities toward them. Reminds me of my grandfather, a poor NYC boy who went to CCNY, and "made good," as the saying goes. I was sitting at the table when the phone rang, and it was the college, seeking contributions from alumni, made up of LOTS of Jewish boys. Grandpa screamed something into the phone about Professor Jeffries (big antisemite who said Jews were injecting black babies with AIDS) and told them they wouldn't see a cent as long as the antisemtie is still there.

OMG! This entire comment is pure gold for any true anti Semite .You say Jews should no longer support black communities . For one , where does that money come from? It assumes that Jews have money ( I mean you've made it clear in no uncertain terms) Ah ah ! And two it infers that whatever support they might've received was conditional upon you and yours feeling like they're your foot soldiers or 'allies' . Third , do yourself and start keeping your money

Furthermore , there's a really good superiority complex perceptible in your comments ( Hitler should be proud) whereby you assume that somehow African Americans or minorities for that matter are helpless who can't sustain themselves . There are roughly 10 times more AAs than Jews in this country , to say nothing of other minorities , all it takes is for these groups to make it a point to not shop at businesses with Jewish ownership however minimal that ownership stake might be ( easy to find out ) and we shall see how much of your dollar will be needed for shitty and imaginary support . Careful what you wish for .

Oh....missed the "shitty and imaginary support" line. My grandfather donated TENS OF THOUSANDS of dollars to CCNY over his lifetime - a college that is now majority AA. He wanted to contribute to helping poor students, no matter their color, get the education he got.

And instead of acknowledging that yes, Jews (in addition to others) have indeed been generous, all you have are threats about how you outnumber Jews and not shopping at Jewish businesses.

You are very antisemitic.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree! We still have evidence on this thread of the very behavior we are talking about.....the propensity of progressive liberals to explain away very obvious antisemtitism - and who actually get angry at the Jews who are rightly pointing out that any bigotry toward Jewish people is completely unacceptable.

I don't agree that there is obvious anti-Semitism on White's part. Even you are unable to point to obvious anti-Semitism. He didn't know the Rothschilds are Jewish and was spreading his nutty conspiracy theory out of ignorance, not anti-Semitism. He left the tour group because of the reporter and the subsequent article by that reporter demonstrated that White's instincts were correct. This is not "explaining away very obvious anti-Semitism", but simply pointing out that there wasn't obvious anti-Semitism. I can't explain away something that wasn't there in the first place.

Don't you understand the harm that you are doing by describing someone as being an obvious anti-Semite when he is no such thing? Don't you see how that sort of unfair treatment could generate a backlash? How would you react to being publicly described as a racist? Would that make you more or less understanding of people of color?

You are choosing to credit his assertions as to why he left the museum and that the reporter had an agenda. Maybe that is true, but that is far from clear or the only reasonable explanation as to what occurred.

His presence at the museum was complete uncessary . Overkill much ?

It was all a show to demonstrate that he felt bad for advancing an antisemitic conspiracy theory. Thing is, he made things worse but not staying through the tour.

An analogy: a white DC politican makes an extremely offensive and bigoted remark about POC. To "make amends" and show he sympathizes with their history of persecution, he goes to the AA Museum. But then, he can't even be bothered competing the tour and goes for a smoke on the sidewalk. What message would that send, especially coming so close on the heels of his earlier racist remark? People in DC would be calling for his head.

Stop using the black community in your false equivalencies , your history is absolutely nothing compared to theirs , but if you continue to do that you would find yourselves even more isolated .

Uh, the history of Jews in the Middle East and Europe has many parallels to the African/African American experience: slavery, discrimination, intolerance, extermination and the list goes on. Both groups have been treated horribly by "the majority" in historical terms and for the past 150 years in the United States, it has been mostly the jews who have stood with African-Americans in the fight for civil and social justice. That is why American Jews get so upset when we see support from the AA community for someone like Louis Farrakahn, or when someone like Jesse Jackson calls NYC Hymietown.

It is disrespectful to a group of people who collectively have been standing side by side with the likes of MLK and many other American Civil Rights heroes.

+ 1 I also find it disheartening for someone to casually remark that [Jewish] history is absolutely nothing compared [to black history]. Not only does it show callous disregard for the largest genocide of the 20th century, but the overall persecution of the previous 3000 years. How does such a statement build understanding? Rather, it reveals hostility toward Jews who, as the PP above noted, stood hand-in-hand with blacks during the civil rights era. Why is not that statement called out for sewing division? Why does the blame always go to the Jews?

Furthermore, it should be understandable - expected, actually - that Jews will not want to continue to support black communities that demonstrate such hostilities toward them. Reminds me of my grandfather, a poor NYC boy who went to CCNY, and "made good," as the saying goes. I was sitting at the table when the phone rang, and it was the college, seeking contributions from alumni, made up of LOTS of Jewish boys. Grandpa screamed something into the phone about Professor Jeffries (big antisemite who said Jews were injecting black babies with AIDS) and told them they wouldn't see a cent as long as the antisemtie is still there.

OMG! This entire comment is pure gold for any true anti Semite .You say Jews should no longer support black communities . For one , where does that money come from? It assumes that Jews have money ( I mean you've made it clear in no uncertain terms) Ah ah ! And two it infers that whatever support they might've received was conditional upon you and yours feeling like they're your foot soldiers or 'allies' . Third , do yourself and start keeping your money

Furthermore , there's a really good superiority complex perceptible in your comments ( Hitler should be proud) whereby you assume that somehow African Americans or minorities for that matter are helpless who can't sustain themselves . There are roughly 10 times more AAs than Jews in this country , to say nothing of other minorities , all it takes is for these groups to make it a point to not shop at businesses with Jewish ownership however minimal that ownership stake might be ( easy to find out ) and we shall see how much of your dollar will be needed for shitty and imaginary support . Careful what you wish for .

Your antisemtitsm is screaming. I'm done with you.

Anonymous wrote:Why should the Nation of Islam inroads in DC be concerning ?

That shouldn't require much of an explanation. While NOI does some good things in black communities, Farrakhan carries a lot of baggage, not the least of which is a history of anti-Semitism. I would be equally concerned about a white nationalist organization setting up shop in Ward 3.

However, the reality is that the NOI is providing needed assistance to Ward 8 and, while concern is justified, I'm not sure what else could or should be done.

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Uh, the history of Jews in the Middle East and Europe has many parallels to the African/African American experience: slavery, discrimination, intolerance, extermination and the list goes on. Both groups have been treated horribly by "the majority" in historical terms and for the past 150 years in the United States, it has been mostly the jews who have stood with African-Americans in the fight for civil and social justice. That is why American Jews get so upset when we see support from the AA community for someone like Louis Farrakahn, or when someone like Jesse Jackson calls NYC Hymietown.

It is disrespectful to a group of people who collectively have been standing side by side with the likes of MLK and many other American Civil Rights heroes.

I'm beginning to think stretching the truth is some kind of shared genetic amongst a certain 'group' . You've attempted to propagate several falsehoods whih should not go unanswered. Jews were fighting for their own survival during the civil rights era , your assertion that they stood with AA is meant in a way that would make some uninformed man think this was some kind of favor . IT WAS NOT.
Put this in your dishonest head , Farrakhan is a civil rights leader in his own right and furthermore If some of you Jews had any sense you'd know that he's he least or should be the least of your worries .

1) What do you mean about stretching the truth being a shared genetic trait. Are you implying that jews lie by nature?
2) Jews absolutely fought for and died for civil rights in the US, from the Civil War, through reconstruction and in the 1960's Civil Rights era. I can't even fathom how anyone can suggest that didn't happen.
3) No implication that it was some sort of favor. Jews have been persecuted for centuries and have learned to stand up and fight persecution where it exists. Attend even the most informal Passover and you would understand that such an outlook is part of the modern culture of Judaism.
4) Farrakhan is a civil rights leader, but a strong leader does not need to put others down. By being a strong anti-semite himself, Farrakhan undermines his own validity and place among civil rights leaders in the United States. As we see from Trump, putting down others, may elevate in your own mind, but not in the minds of potential followers. Perhaps the weak-minded as you seem to be, but others understand that to lift lifting all boats is a much better position. Certainly Marion Barry understood that, which is why I have spent so much time in HIS ward and helping his constituents.

Councilmember White claims to carry that mantle, but at the moment, I can truthfully state that I knew Marion Barry, respected Marion Barry (despite some of his known flaws) and can be unequivocal in stating that Councilmember White is NO Marion Barry.

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I'm beginning to think stretching the truth is some kind of shared genetic amongst a certain 'group' . You've attempted to propagate several falsehoods whih should not go unanswered. Jews were fighting for their own survival during the civil rights era , your assertion that they stood with AA is meant in a way that would make some uninformed man think this was some kind of favor . IT WAS NOT.
Put this in your dishonest head , Farrakhan is a civil rights leader in his own right and furthermore If some of you Jews had any sense you'd know that he's he least or should be the least of your worries .

^^^ "shared generic trait"? "If you Jews had any sense?" "Farrakhan is a civil rights leader"? (Civil rights means killing whites? He sure isn't for whites' civil rights.)

Hope Jeff can at least recognize the antisemtisim is this post!

I do disagree with the first poster above and think that accusing Jews of having share genes for lying is anti-Semitic. Such discourse has no place on DCUM and I hope the poster will refrain from posting such things (I of course can and probably will remove posts of that nature, but I want to publicly state my opinion about this one).

As I have posted earlier in this thread, Jews are not a monolithic group. I have been privileged to know a great number of Jews who have a huge amount of sense. Of course, I have also encountered my share of them who wouldn't know sense if it bit them in the ass, but the same is true of any group. I have to admit to occasionally lacking sense myself, so I disagree with both the idea that Jews lack sense and the suggestion that a lack of sense is a particularly bad condition.

Technically, I think it is accurate, if somewhat misleading, to call Farrakhan a civil rights leader. He is certainly in favor of civil rights for black people. Moreover, I think that the second poster above is wrong that Farrakhan wants to kill whites. Certainly, Farrakhan believes that killing in self-defense is justifiable -- but many of us believe that. However, beyond self-defense, he is not much of an advocate of violence.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree! We still have evidence on this thread of the very behavior we are talking about.....the propensity of progressive liberals to explain away very obvious antisemtitism - and who actually get angry at the Jews who are rightly pointing out that any bigotry toward Jewish people is completely unacceptable.

I don't agree that there is obvious anti-Semitism on White's part. Even you are unable to point to obvious anti-Semitism. He didn't know the Rothschilds are Jewish and was spreading his nutty conspiracy theory out of ignorance, not anti-Semitism. He left the tour group because of the reporter and the subsequent article by that reporter demonstrated that White's instincts were correct. This is not "explaining away very obvious anti-Semitism", but simply pointing out that there wasn't obvious anti-Semitism. I can't explain away something that wasn't there in the first place.

Don't you understand the harm that you are doing by describing someone as being an obvious anti-Semite when he is no such thing? Don't you see how that sort of unfair treatment could generate a backlash? How would you react to being publicly described as a racist? Would that make you more or less understanding of people of color?

You are choosing to credit his assertions as to why he left the museum and that the reporter had an agenda. Maybe that is true, but that is far from clear or the only reasonable explanation as to what occurred.

His presence at the museum was complete uncessary . Overkill much ?

It was all a show to demonstrate that he felt bad for advancing an antisemitic conspiracy theory. Thing is, he made things worse but not staying through the tour.

An analogy: a white DC politican makes an extremely offensive and bigoted remark about POC. To "make amends" and show he sympathizes with their history of persecution, he goes to the AA Museum. But then, he can't even be bothered competing the tour and goes for a smoke on the sidewalk. What message would that send, especially coming so close on the heels of his earlier racist remark? People in DC would be calling for his head.

Stop using the black community in your false equivalencies , your history is absolutely nothing compared to theirs , but if you continue to do that you would find yourselves even more isolated .

Uh, the history of Jews in the Middle East and Europe has many parallels to the African/African American experience: slavery, discrimination, intolerance, extermination and the list goes on. Both groups have been treated horribly by "the majority" in historical terms and for the past 150 years in the United States, it has been mostly the jews who have stood with African-Americans in the fight for civil and social justice. That is why American Jews get so upset when we see support from the AA community for someone like Louis Farrakahn, or when someone like Jesse Jackson calls NYC Hymietown.

It is disrespectful to a group of people who collectively have been standing side by side with the likes of MLK and many other American Civil Rights heroes.

+ 1 I also find it disheartening for someone to casually remark that [Jewish] history is absolutely nothing compared [to black history]. Not only does it show callous disregard for the largest genocide of the 20th century, but the overall persecution of the previous 3000 years. How does such a statement build understanding? Rather, it reveals hostility toward Jews who, as the PP above noted, stood hand-in-hand with blacks during the civil rights era. Why is not that statement called out for sewing division? Why does the blame always go to the Jews?

Furthermore, it should be understandable - expected, actually - that Jews will not want to continue to support black communities that demonstrate such hostilities toward them. Reminds me of my grandfather, a poor NYC boy who went to CCNY, and "made good," as the saying goes. I was sitting at the table when the phone rang, and it was the college, seeking contributions from alumni, made up of LOTS of Jewish boys. Grandpa screamed something into the phone about Professor Jeffries (big antisemite who said Jews were injecting black babies with AIDS) and told them they wouldn't see a cent as long as the antisemtie is still there.

OMG! This entire comment is pure gold for any true anti Semite .You say Jews should no longer support black communities . For one , where does that money come from? It assumes that Jews have money ( I mean you've made it clear in no uncertain terms) Ah ah ! And two it infers that whatever support they might've received was conditional upon you and yours feeling like they're your foot soldiers or 'allies' . Third , do yourself and start keeping your money

Furthermore , there's a really good superiority complex perceptible in your comments ( Hitler should be proud) whereby you assume that somehow African Americans or minorities for that matter are helpless who can't sustain themselves . There are roughly 10 times more AAs than Jews in this country , to say nothing of other minorities , all it takes is for these groups to make it a point to not shop at businesses with Jewish ownership however minimal that ownership stake might be ( easy to find out ) and we shall see how much of your dollar will be needed for shitty and imaginary support . Careful what you wish for .