Anonymous
Post 01/27/2018 07:10     Subject: Re:Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The man made a career out of firing people. Is it any wonder he would talk about it? Fact: He did not fire him. Nothing else matters related to this discussion. He was not forced not to fire him. He could have fired him if he wanted to. It would have been a serious mistake, but he could have done it.


Exactly. Trump is being accused of a thought crime


tI's a federal crime to "attempt" to "corruptly persuade" someone to "influence" (or even "delay") his testimony. 18 USC 1512(b)(1). You don't have to shut down an investigation to obstruct it.


Looks like there are a bunch of FBI agents going to jail. Ditto Clinton and Obama.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2018 07:08     Subject: Re:Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The man made a career out of firing people. Is it any wonder he would talk about it? Fact: He did not fire him. Nothing else matters related to this discussion. He was not forced not to fire him. He could have fired him if he wanted to. It would have been a serious mistake, but he could have done it.


The man is bad at firing people. He's known to be terrible at it. McGahn seems to have known this, too.

But generally, yes, attempt is considered to be just as bad as the crime.


If you are thinking about firing an employee, should you be fired for considering it?
If you are thinking about speeding, should you get a ticket for contemplating it?
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2018 06:47     Subject: Re:Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The man made a career out of firing people. Is it any wonder he would talk about it? Fact: He did not fire him. Nothing else matters related to this discussion. He was not forced not to fire him. He could have fired him if he wanted to. It would have been a serious mistake, but he could have done it.


Exactly. Trump is being accused of a thought crime


The same can be said with Comey’s firing. The AG/DAG wrote a memo about why Comey was fired. No one can dispute the facts laid out in the memo against the memo. But but Trump thought about Russia. In Leslie Holt’s interview, if you read it in its entirety, Trump said knowing he would get accused about Russia politically, he still did it because Comey is bad for the FBI. Knowing what we know now, Comey absolutely deserves to be fired.



The AD/DAG wrote two memos and Mueller has both of them. Further, Stephen Miller wrote a draft which outlines the President's thinking on this. It was sent to the DAG and Mueller has it as well.

It is pretty clear from what Miller sent and what Trump has said to Holt EXACTLY what was in Trump's mind when he fired Comey.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2018 00:20     Subject: Re:Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The man made a career out of firing people. Is it any wonder he would talk about it? Fact: He did not fire him. Nothing else matters related to this discussion. He was not forced not to fire him. He could have fired him if he wanted to. It would have been a serious mistake, but he could have done it.


Exactly. Trump is being accused of a thought crime


The same can be said with Comey’s firing. The AG/DAG wrote a memo about why Comey was fired. No one can dispute the facts laid out in the memo against the memo. But but Trump thought about Russia. In Leslie Holt’s interview, if you read it in its entirety, Trump said knowing he would get accused about Russia politically, he still did it because Comey is bad for the FBI. Knowing what we know now, Comey absolutely deserves to be fired.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2018 23:38     Subject: Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
The silence from the GOP on this is deafening and telling.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/26/politics/donald-trump-rod-rosenstein-frustration/index.html

Anonymous
Post 01/26/2018 22:10     Subject: Re:Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The man made a career out of firing people. Is it any wonder he would talk about it? Fact: He did not fire him. Nothing else matters related to this discussion. He was not forced not to fire him. He could have fired him if he wanted to. It would have been a serious mistake, but he could have done it.


Exactly. Trump is being accused of a thought crime

I thought We All went over this with the Comey firing. Supporters were going on about “but did the investigation actually stall/change?” etc. Bad news: doesn’t matter. I suggest some further research into the law.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2018 21:34     Subject: Re:Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
Anonymous wrote:The man made a career out of firing people. Is it any wonder he would talk about it? Fact: He did not fire him. Nothing else matters related to this discussion. He was not forced not to fire him. He could have fired him if he wanted to. It would have been a serious mistake, but he could have done it.

No, he gave the order. That’s like, say, ordering a hit on someone. Still a crime.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2018 21:33     Subject: Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
Anonymous wrote:I'm reading now that Trump simply was thinking about firing him - seems the story's being backed up.

And I’m sure you can link.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2018 21:00     Subject: Re:Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The man made a career out of firing people. Is it any wonder he would talk about it? Fact: He did not fire him. Nothing else matters related to this discussion. He was not forced not to fire him. He could have fired him if he wanted to. It would have been a serious mistake, but he could have done it.


Exactly. Trump is being accused of a thought crime


tI's a federal crime to "attempt" to "corruptly persuade" someone to "influence" (or even "delay") his testimony. 18 USC 1512(b)(1). You don't have to shut down an investigation to obstruct it.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2018 20:54     Subject: Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
Anonymous wrote:I'm reading now that Trump simply was thinking about firing him - seems the story's being backed up.


Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing the story being walked back - now saying Trump only thought about firing him and the rest is up for question.


Oh pls ease donshare with us where you’re reading and seeing this. TIA!
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2018 20:50     Subject: Re:Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The man made a career out of firing people. Is it any wonder he would talk about it? Fact: He did not fire him. Nothing else matters related to this discussion. He was not forced not to fire him. He could have fired him if he wanted to. It would have been a serious mistake, but he could have done it.


Exactly. Trump is being accused of a thought crime


You might want to review the law on this subject. Oh, and the facts are not in your favor. Don, the Doughboy ORDERED McGahn to fire Mueller. Thought Crime? Only on Fox News.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2018 20:49     Subject: Re:Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
Anonymous wrote:The man made a career out of firing people. Is it any wonder he would talk about it? Fact: He did not fire him. Nothing else matters related to this discussion. He was not forced not to fire him. He could have fired him if he wanted to. It would have been a serious mistake, but he could have done it.


The man is bad at firing people. He's known to be terrible at it. McGahn seems to have known this, too.

But generally, yes, attempt is considered to be just as bad as the crime.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2018 20:43     Subject: Re:Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
Anonymous wrote:The man made a career out of firing people. Is it any wonder he would talk about it? Fact: He did not fire him. Nothing else matters related to this discussion. He was not forced not to fire him. He could have fired him if he wanted to. It would have been a serious mistake, but he could have done it.


Exactly. Trump is being accused of a thought crime
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2018 20:43     Subject: Re:Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
The man made a career out of firing people. Is it any wonder he would talk about it? Fact: He did not fire him. Nothing else matters related to this discussion. He was not forced not to fire him. He could have fired him if he wanted to. It would have been a serious mistake, but he could have done it.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2018 20:40     Subject: Trump tried to fire Mueller in June.
Anonymous wrote:Did McGahn refuse to fire Mueller because he's some profile in courage, or was it because he'd be open to an obstruction of justice charge if he did?


Or because he knew it would be a really stupid thing to do? Whatever his reasoning, I'm impressed he had it in him.