no cogat score in 22030 either

Anonymous wrote:anyone receive anything by mail today? I still haven't gotten anything.

Nothing! 22101. We did the parent referral

Does anyone know if we parent referral and DC found eligible for in-pool which files one gets considered? Do they take parent referral form or whatever school plans to use?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC is in pool and we have received letter. Since it came so late we prepared the parent referral.
Do we need to submit parent referral form anymore or only optional 'Parent/Guardian Questionnaire' form ? We do plan to submit additional samples/recommendations etc.

No need to submit the parent referral and the rest is optional. At worst, you submit everything and the AART tosses the referral that is now redundant.

What could be worst case scenario here? By submitting optional info, child case is strengthen. They may or may not use it. If case goes to appeal then WISC is the only way in. I guess, same referral can be used again or get new one in 3 moths time.
So overall just waste of effort but if samples are solid then child have a case and can avoid appeal.

anyone receive anything by mail today? I still haven't gotten anything.

Anonymous wrote:As a retired FCPS AART, I enjoy reading these threads which have no basis in reality. Parents advising others with no real knowledge of the process. Do not make any assumptions on AAP admission based on anything you read on this site. Do what you think is best for your child but make no assumptions based upon what you read here.

Anonymous wrote:My DC is in pool and we have received letter. Since it came so late we prepared the parent referral.
Do we need to submit parent referral form anymore or only optional 'Parent/Guardian Questionnaire' form ? We do plan to submit additional samples/recommendations etc.

No need to submit the parent referral and the rest is optional. At worst, you submit everything and the AART tosses the referral that is now redundant.

Anonymous wrote:As a retired FCPS AART, I enjoy reading these threads which have no basis in reality. Parents advising others with no real knowledge of the process. Do not make any assumptions on AAP admission based on anything you read on this site. Do what you think is best for your child but make no assumptions based upon what you read here.

Kind of cruel, retired AART. From the outside, it looks like such confusing, inconsistent process. People are just trying to understand and do right by their kids.

Anonymous wrote:
The best indicator of needing AAP is not the WISC, it is if you are actually able to do Advanced Academics. I don't understand why an academic test isn't given. I don't care what a kid's IQ is, I care whether a kid can keep up academically in AAP so the kid doesn't slow the other kids down. My kid would complain about the teacher having to dumb down the lesson and simplify work for a few kids who were on grade level. They did not demonstrate a need for a program focusing on advanced academics because they were working on grade level.

Disagree. It is common for gifted children to underachieve, and they are arguably the group who needs gifted services the most. AAP as it is isn't necessarily the type of gifted services that they need, but they undoubtedly need something. Also, looking purely at academic achievement would just reward high SES children who have already been enriched. It would leave behind lower SES or ESOL kids who are quite smart but have not had access to the resources to help them develop their talents.

The school AAP referral form includes places to list the DRA and placement in advanced math. The two most recent report cards are also submitted, as well as several work samples from the school. Academic ability additionally factors into the GBRS. I'm sure the committee receives those materials for a reason and often uses them to reject kids who seem like they would struggle to keep up with AAP.

My DC is in pool and we have received letter. Since it came so late we prepared the parent referral.
Do we need to submit parent referral form anymore or only optional 'Parent/Guardian Questionnaire' form ? We do plan to submit additional samples/recommendations etc.

Anonymous wrote:As there is a dependency on GBRS, what could be the least score on GBRS to get into AAP, if both scores are more than 145 and is in pool.

GBRS is the only unknown number at this point.

If both scores are more than 145 I would be shocked to see a low GBRS. I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Except for math, it is all on grade level.

Anonymous wrote:There’s more than one pro nnat poster. R u the only pro cogat poster??

Real life situations:
Boy got a 128 cogat, 108 nnat, 118 WISC and got into aap. Kid thinks he’s brilliant, but he’s just average and WISC confirms this. Would do just fine in general education. Really doesn’t belong in aap. A solid kid with strengths in math but not superior in anything!

Girl got a 155 nnat, 142 cogat, 145 WISC. Kid doesn’t think she’s brilliant. Just wants to do the best she can. Is in aap.

Boy got a 138 nnat, 118 cogat. Needed to appeal. WISC showed add inattentive. GAI 145 fsiq 120 because of low processing speed. In aap.

The best indicator of “needing” aap is the WISC. An average WISC without 2E is not a kid who needs aap. But aap is full of solidly average/above average kids. Only a handful of actual superior or genuis kids.

The best indicator of needing AAP is not the WISC, it is if you are actually able to do Advanced Academics. I don't understand why an academic test isn't given. I don't care what a kid's IQ is, I care whether a kid can keep up academically in AAP so the kid doesn't slow the other kids down. My kid would complain about the teacher having to dumb down the lesson and simplify work for a few kids who were on grade level. They did not demonstrate a need for a program focusing on advanced academics because they were working on grade level. No one cares what your IQ is when you apply to college, they care about your SAT score and your grades on challenging academic classes.

As there is a dependency on GBRS, what could be the least score on GBRS to get into AAP, if both scores are more than 145 and is in pool.

GBRS is the only unknown number at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT 136 / CogAT 131 got in the pool 22015. Chances of getting accepted?

Great, if the GBRS is at least okay.

OP - Thanks. Debating whether to submit parent referral or save for appeal if it gets to that stage ; hopefully not.