Anonymous
10/13/2017 16:42
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:
20% by 2018
25% by 2020
Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,
But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.
At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.
Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July
Just like America’s pricey waistline.
Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo
I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!
Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.
Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.
The answer is to address the cost of medical care itself. The problem is that the medical industry has paid off Congress to look away. There is no way I should have to pay $150 for a microscopic bottle of eye drops (a 10-day supply), or $2000 for a routine culture (I negotiated it down), or $400 for a 10-minute visit to a specialist.
Ironically, if we cover everything, the costs go up because the end consumer isn't paying for it (via insurance) and doesn't care. If car insurers were require to reimbuse for oil changes, the mechanics would be charging $200. The answer is to make people more sensitive to costs, and force providers to bring their prices down to the "true" cost. And people are only sensitive to costs that they have to pay for.
DP. The main thing is that there needs to be cost controls. Cost sensitivity is of limited use when there's almost no ability to comparison shop. Many medical facilities won't even give you a price until your procedure is over.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 16:40
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:
20% by 2018
25% by 2020
Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,
But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.
At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.
Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July
Just like America’s pricey waistline.
Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo
I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!
Many supporters of Obamacare don't seem to realize that it has negatively affected millions of Americans' lives. While it helped some, it has absolutely hurt others.
I have discovered that liberals in this area, with their $200k+ incomes, are oblivious to how difficult it is for a $50k earner to pay $800 a month in insurance. They seem to have divided people into two camps - the poor people who are entitled to 100% support - and everyone else, who can afford to make sacrifices in order to support themselves.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 16:37
Subject: Trump to gut Ava via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.
It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.
Do you know what else was failing, even worse? The healthcare system that preceded the ACA.
+1
A single, government-run system will never work here. For a good number of Americans, there will always be a "them" who does not deserve it, who doesn't work as hard as they do, who has received enough help and should figure it all out for themselves, or who should just be ignored and simply suffer and die (i.e. the way Trump sees Puerto Ricans). [/b]Should a healthy individual who takes care of his or her body, doesn't smoke, runs every day and watches their diet, pay taxes to support the medical needs of one of those sad sacks portrayed in The Washington Post articles about rural poverty-- you know, those obese men and women in their 50s who chain-smoke, live on SSDI but still find some spare cash to buy a 12 pack of Orange Crush? [b]I bet a lot of people read those articles and thought, well, they're digging their own graves.
Who exactly do you think is paying for those people's medical needs now?
DP. Taxpayers, though Medicaid.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 16:36
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:
20% by 2018
25% by 2020
Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,
But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.
At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.
Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July
Just like America’s pricey waistline.
Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo
I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!
Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.
Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.
The answer is to address the cost of medical care itself. The problem is that the medical industry has paid off Congress to look away. There is no way I should have to pay $150 for a microscopic bottle of eye drops (a 10-day supply), or $2000 for a routine culture (I negotiated it down), or $400 for a 10-minute visit to a specialist.
Ironically, if we cover everything, the costs go up because the end consumer isn't paying for it (via insurance) and doesn't care. If car insurers were require to reimbuse for oil changes, the mechanics would be charging $200. The answer is to make people more sensitive to costs, and force providers to bring their prices down to the "true" cost. And people are only sensitive to costs that they have to pay for.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 16:32
Subject: Trump to gut Ava via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.
It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.
Do you know what else was failing, even worse? The healthcare system that preceded the ACA.
+1
A single, government-run system will never work here. For a good number of Americans, there will always be a "them" who does not deserve it, who doesn't work as hard as they do, who has received enough help and should figure it all out for themselves, or who should just be ignored and simply suffer and die (i.e. the way Trump sees Puerto Ricans). [/b]Should a healthy individual who takes care of his or her body, doesn't smoke, runs every day and watches their diet, pay taxes to support the medical needs of one of those sad sacks portrayed in The Washington Post articles about rural poverty-- you know, those obese men and women in their 50s who chain-smoke, live on SSDI but still find some spare cash to buy a 12 pack of Orange Crush? [b]I bet a lot of people read those articles and thought, well, they're digging their own graves.
Who exactly do you think is paying for those people's medical needs now?
Anonymous
10/13/2017 16:30
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:
20% by 2018
25% by 2020
Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,
But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.
At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.
Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July
Just like America’s pricey waistline.
Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo
I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!
Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.
Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.
Not the PP. our plans were 2/3 cheaper and 3x better prior to Obamacare. We were screwed so you could float. F off
Anonymous
10/13/2017 16:29
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:
20% by 2018
25% by 2020
Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,
But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.
At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.
Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July
Just like America’s pricey waistline.
Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo
I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!
Many supporters of Obamacare don't seem to realize that it has negatively affected millions of Americans' lives. While it helped some, it has absolutely hurt others.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 16:28
Subject: Trump to gut Ava via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.
It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.
Do you know what else was failing, even worse? The healthcare system that preceded the ACA.
+1
A single, government-run system will never work here. For a good number of Americans, there will always be a "them" who does not deserve it, who doesn't work as hard as they do, who has received enough help and should figure it all out for themselves, or who should just be ignored and simply suffer and die (i.e. the way Trump sees Puerto Ricans). Should a healthy individual who takes care of his or her body, doesn't smoke, runs every day and watches their diet, pay taxes to support the medical needs of one of those sad sacks portrayed in The Washington Post articles about rural poverty-- you know, those obese men and women in their 50s who chain-smoke, live on SSDI but still find some spare cash to buy a 12 pack of Orange Crush? I bet a lot of people read those articles and thought, well, they're digging their own graves.
I remember that specific article you're referring to. Liberals like to blame poor people's predicament entirely on someone else, but they do make poor decisions at times. Anyone who can spend money on cigarettes can spend $20 on a doctor's visit. In fact, many poor people like the fact that they get free visits because it frees up money for cigarettes!
Anonymous
10/13/2017 16:27
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:
20% by 2018
25% by 2020
Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,
But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.
At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.
Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July
Just like America’s pricey waistline.
Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo
I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!
Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.
Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 16:26
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Even Kentucky - KENTUCKY, is suing the Trump over this.
Wow.
Yup. Even red states don't like chaos in their healthcare.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 16:22
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:
20% by 2018
25% by 2020
Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,
But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.
At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.
Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July
Just like America’s pricey waistline.
Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo
I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!
Anonymous
10/13/2017 16:16
Subject: Trump to gut Ava via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.
It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.
Do you know what else was failing, even worse? The healthcare system that preceded the ACA.
+1
A single, government-run system will never work here. For a good number of Americans, there will always be a "them" who does not deserve it, who doesn't work as hard as they do, who has received enough help and should figure it all out for themselves, or who should just be ignored and simply suffer and die (i.e. the way Trump sees Puerto Ricans). Should a healthy individual who takes care of his or her body, doesn't smoke, runs every day and watches their diet, pay taxes to support the medical needs of one of those sad sacks portrayed in The Washington Post articles about rural poverty-- you know, those obese men and women in their 50s who chain-smoke, live on SSDI but still find some spare cash to buy a 12 pack of Orange Crush? I bet a lot of people read those articles and thought, well, they're digging their own graves.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 16:16
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Now congress will have to act. The law passed by the Dems has ballooned in cost and the promises that were made of decreasing premiums and a cost consistent with the CBO score are way out of whack. Now Trump is putting it squarely back in the lap of Congress. Either they work together or it will completely come apart. Quite frankly, before this law my healthcare insurance cost was 50% of what it is now, and if we go back to the old ways, I for one would be elated.
Mine also was much cheaper, and the deductible was half the amount. In other words, my insurance used to pay for something. Now, for the privilege of paying $800+ a month, I've paid an additional $15,000 in medical costs - exams, lab work, imaging tests, prescriptions - since 2015, and all out of pocket.
There is still so much false information being put forth by liberals. I was just listening to Shepherd Smith, and he was saying that with Trump's lesser coverage plans, you can buy insurance - and then if you get sick, find out you're not covered. The implication was that it was "not really" insurance. Well, guess what? That's been happening to middle-class people on Obamacare for years.....paying for a plan only to discover you have to pay for your own care, too.
Anonymous
10/13/2017 15:54
Subject: Trump to gut Ava via executive order
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.
It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.
and yet it works fine in canada
You mean the Canada of few illegals?
Anonymous
10/13/2017 15:51
Subject: Trump to gut ACA via executive order
Even Kentucky - KENTUCKY, is suing the Trump over this.
Wow.
Wow.