How about merit based admission? Does that work?

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Anonymous wrote:identity politics, GOP style.

Well, to be fair, Identity Politics was indeed started by liberals.


Check your status here:

- black or African
- white
- Asian
- Hispanic
- Native American
- two or more races
- other
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- polyamorous
- bisexual ambidextrous
- pansexual wiccan
- still deciding
- Brony


Each day, without fail, my middle school daughter would share some story about how another kid in her class has either switched gender or had embraced some other "form." I can no longer keep up.

So?

My rising junior dd recently filled out some info form on a college website. She was telling me that it not only presented about 10+ gender identity options, but the race question actually was phrased as "which race do you identify as." I suppose we can all just choose whatever we want now. It's like identity mad libs.

I fail to see the problem with this statement. I am half white and half URM. I always identify white. Remember your life experience is not universal to all.

Fine. Then I'm guessing it's OK if I identify as black?

Sure...but you KNOW you don't really want to be black. And that is the question I ask my White friends when they start whining about issues like this. Would you trade places with that person - not just the parts you see as an advantage, but the entire experience?

But maybe I would like to be black, since we are basically taught we need to be ashamed that we are white.

so maybe you can answer the question. Would you rather be black?

Some days, I think I might. I'm white. I grew up here, as a minority. Was excluded and ridiculed constantly. In 4th grade, someone took all my folders and drew dots on them (I have freckles). I actually wrote my college admissions essay in 1995 on the racism I had experienced. I work in an office where I am one of only two white people. This doesn't bother me. I adore my co workers, but the topics of conversation often include "white privelige" and calling white people "trump-supporters. I will never understand how this is ok.

Not PP. But you are mixing your personal experience with a generalized and institutionalized racism experienced by blacks. What you may have gone through is not systemic or endemic. It was isolated to your case. What blacks suffer is systemic and highly institutionalized.

White privilege as simple as someone giving the benefit of the doubt to you just because you are white. Let us say you didn't stop at a stop sign and someone seeing you thinks 'this stupid person' and let us say your black friend does the exact same thing and that someone thinks "this stupid black". That is white privilege right there. You as a white person was seen as an individual but the black person was seen as part of a larger community. This is subtle but still systemic racism that you won't suffer from but blacks still do. You do have white privilege whether you see it or not because you don't have the misfortune of living life as a black for your entire life.

Why do you think the answer to systemic, institutionalized race-based discrimination is more systemic, institutionalized race-based discrimination?

What is your evidence that it's working well so far?

Are you saying Affirmative Action is systemic and institutionalized racism against whites? If you make a statement(or accusation) then the burden of proof is on you. You have a case when whites suffered through the indignity of slavery by blacks. Are you willing to suffer through slavery, what blacks suffered through for centuries, for maybe half a century to get the same affirmative action treatment as blacks?

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Anonymous wrote:identity politics, GOP style.

Well, to be fair, Identity Politics was indeed started by liberals.


Check your status here:

- black or African
- white
- Asian
- Hispanic
- Native American
- two or more races
- other
- in love with a tree
- polyamorous
- bisexual ambidextrous
- pansexual wiccan
- still deciding
- Brony


Each day, without fail, my middle school daughter would share some story about how another kid in her class has either switched gender or had embraced some other "form." I can no longer keep up.

So?

My rising junior dd recently filled out some info form on a college website. She was telling me that it not only presented about 10+ gender identity options, but the race question actually was phrased as "which race do you identify as." I suppose we can all just choose whatever we want now. It's like identity mad libs.

I fail to see the problem with this statement. I am half white and half URM. I always identify white. Remember your life experience is not universal to all.

Fine. Then I'm guessing it's OK if I identify as black?

Sure...but you KNOW you don't really want to be black. And that is the question I ask my White friends when they start whining about issues like this. Would you trade places with that person - not just the parts you see as an advantage, but the entire experience?

But maybe I would like to be black, since we are basically taught we need to be ashamed that we are white.

so maybe you can answer the question. Would you rather be black?

Some days, I think I might. I'm white. I grew up here, as a minority. Was excluded and ridiculed constantly. In 4th grade, someone took all my folders and drew dots on them (I have freckles). I actually wrote my college admissions essay in 1995 on the racism I had experienced. I work in an office where I am one of only two white people. This doesn't bother me. I adore my co workers, but the topics of conversation often include "white privelige" and calling white people "trump-supporters. I will never understand how this is ok.

Not PP. But you are mixing your personal experience with a generalized and institutionalized racism experienced by blacks. What you may have gone through is not systemic or endemic. It was isolated to your case. What blacks suffer is systemic and highly institutionalized.

White privilege as simple as someone giving the benefit of the doubt to you just because you are white. Let us say you didn't stop at a stop sign and someone seeing you thinks 'this stupid person' and let us say your black friend does the exact same thing and that someone thinks "this stupid black". That is white privilege right there. You as a white person was seen as an individual but the black person was seen as part of a larger community. This is subtle but still systemic racism that you won't suffer from but blacks still do. You do have white privilege whether you see it or not because you don't have the misfortune of living life as a black for your entire life.

Why do you think the answer to systemic, institutionalized race-based discrimination is more systemic, institutionalized race-based discrimination?

What is your evidence that it's working well so far?

I seem to remember CA did something very similar with abolishing AA when it comes to Uni admissions. You know what the end result was? Majority Asian admits at the state's top schools. I hope these white parents don't scream for a reversal when their kids are outperformed by Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:identity politics, GOP style.

Well, to be fair, Identity Politics was indeed started by liberals.


Check your status here:

- black or African
- white
- Asian
- Hispanic
- Native American
- two or more races
- other
- in love with a tree
- polyamorous
- bisexual ambidextrous
- pansexual wiccan
- still deciding
- Brony


Each day, without fail, my middle school daughter would share some story about how another kid in her class has either switched gender or had embraced some other "form." I can no longer keep up.

So?

My rising junior dd recently filled out some info form on a college website. She was telling me that it not only presented about 10+ gender identity options, but the race question actually was phrased as "which race do you identify as." I suppose we can all just choose whatever we want now. It's like identity mad libs.

I fail to see the problem with this statement. I am half white and half URM. I always identify white. Remember your life experience is not universal to all.

Fine. Then I'm guessing it's OK if I identify as black?

Sure...but you KNOW you don't really want to be black. And that is the question I ask my White friends when they start whining about issues like this. Would you trade places with that person - not just the parts you see as an advantage, but the entire experience?

But maybe I would like to be black, since we are basically taught we need to be ashamed that we are white.

so maybe you can answer the question. Would you rather be black?

Some days, I think I might. I'm white. I grew up here, as a minority. Was excluded and ridiculed constantly. In 4th grade, someone took all my folders and drew dots on them (I have freckles). I actually wrote my college admissions essay in 1995 on the racism I had experienced. I work in an office where I am one of only two white people. This doesn't bother me. I adore my co workers, but the topics of conversation often include "white privelige" and calling white people "trump-supporters. I will never understand how this is ok.

Not PP. But you are mixing your personal experience with a generalized and institutionalized racism experienced by blacks. What you may have gone through is not systemic or endemic. It was isolated to your case. What blacks suffer is systemic and highly institutionalized.

White privilege as simple as someone giving the benefit of the doubt to you just because you are white. Let us say you didn't stop at a stop sign and someone seeing you thinks 'this stupid person' and let us say your black friend does the exact same thing and that someone thinks "this stupid black". That is white privilege right there. You as a white person was seen as an individual but the black person was seen as part of a larger community. This is subtle but still systemic racism that you won't suffer from but blacks still do. You do have white privilege whether you see it or not because you don't have the misfortune of living life as a black for your entire life.

This is the stereotype I have suffered with my entire life. It hurts. My experience, and the experience of many others is seen as invalid simply because we are white, blind to our own privilege, and could "not possibly understand."

You are conflicting yourself and you don't even realize it. In your previous post you mentioned that black co-workers talking about "white privilege" but then you say you are aware of it. If you are aware of it then why would you be offended by someone mentioning it? Your experience as white person KNOWING that blacks suffer the indignity of racism is not the same as LIVING the indignity of racism every day. Please, even you can understand its not the same experience.

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Anonymous wrote:identity politics, GOP style.

Well, to be fair, Identity Politics was indeed started by liberals.


Check your status here:

- black or African
- white
- Asian
- Hispanic
- Native American
- two or more races
- other
- in love with a tree
- polyamorous
- bisexual ambidextrous
- pansexual wiccan
- still deciding
- Brony


Each day, without fail, my middle school daughter would share some story about how another kid in her class has either switched gender or had embraced some other "form." I can no longer keep up.

So?

My rising junior dd recently filled out some info form on a college website. She was telling me that it not only presented about 10+ gender identity options, but the race question actually was phrased as "which race do you identify as." I suppose we can all just choose whatever we want now. It's like identity mad libs.

I fail to see the problem with this statement. I am half white and half URM. I always identify white. Remember your life experience is not universal to all.

Fine. Then I'm guessing it's OK if I identify as black?

Sure...but you KNOW you don't really want to be black. And that is the question I ask my White friends when they start whining about issues like this. Would you trade places with that person - not just the parts you see as an advantage, but the entire experience?

But maybe I would like to be black, since we are basically taught we need to be ashamed that we are white.

so maybe you can answer the question. Would you rather be black?

Some days, I think I might. I'm white. I grew up here, as a minority. Was excluded and ridiculed constantly. In 4th grade, someone took all my folders and drew dots on them (I have freckles). I actually wrote my college admissions essay in 1995 on the racism I had experienced. I work in an office where I am one of only two white people. This doesn't bother me. I adore my co workers, but the topics of conversation often include "white privelige" and calling white people "trump-supporters. I will never understand how this is ok.

Not PP. But you are mixing your personal experience with a generalized and institutionalized racism experienced by blacks. What you may have gone through is not systemic or endemic. It was isolated to your case. What blacks suffer is systemic and highly institutionalized.

White privilege as simple as someone giving the benefit of the doubt to you just because you are white. Let us say you didn't stop at a stop sign and someone seeing you thinks 'this stupid person' and let us say your black friend does the exact same thing and that someone thinks "this stupid black". That is white privilege right there. You as a white person was seen as an individual but the black person was seen as part of a larger community. This is subtle but still systemic racism that you won't suffer from but blacks still do. You do have white privilege whether you see it or not because you don't have the misfortune of living life as a black for your entire life.

This is the stereotype I have suffered with my entire life. It hurts. My experience, and the experience of many others is seen as invalid simply because we are white, blind to our own privilege, and could "not possibly understand."

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Anonymous wrote:identity politics, GOP style.

Well, to be fair, Identity Politics was indeed started by liberals.


Check your status here:

- black or African
- white
- Asian
- Hispanic
- Native American
- two or more races
- other
- in love with a tree
- polyamorous
- bisexual ambidextrous
- pansexual wiccan
- still deciding
- Brony


Each day, without fail, my middle school daughter would share some story about how another kid in her class has either switched gender or had embraced some other "form." I can no longer keep up.

So?

My rising junior dd recently filled out some info form on a college website. She was telling me that it not only presented about 10+ gender identity options, but the race question actually was phrased as "which race do you identify as." I suppose we can all just choose whatever we want now. It's like identity mad libs.

I fail to see the problem with this statement. I am half white and half URM. I always identify white. Remember your life experience is not universal to all.

Fine. Then I'm guessing it's OK if I identify as black?

Sure...but you KNOW you don't really want to be black. And that is the question I ask my White friends when they start whining about issues like this. Would you trade places with that person - not just the parts you see as an advantage, but the entire experience?

But maybe I would like to be black, since we are basically taught we need to be ashamed that we are white.

Oh yea...who is teaching you that?

If anything, don't be ashamed for being White. Be ashamed that many Whites cannot see that they actually have it pretty good compared to others. Whites are quick to criticize other races for acting like "victims," but they are getting very good at it themselves.

This is racism

You proved my point...thanks.

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But it is not because that is surefire way to create a permanent underclass citizens with blacks, hispanics and white trash. Asians do well because they come from a very favorable socio-economic background. Once you have that advantage then it matters less which college you get into(an Ivy or Public Ivy). Asians are stuck in a virtuous loop of educated parents make money pass it on to their kids who get top education who make even more money.

But a if black student is denied admission into the top college then its like denying the entire black community for generations after. Blacks are stuck in a negative loop. Blacks don't score well because of social status and are relegated to a a weaker school and the negative loop continues. One or two exceptional student will break this cycle BUT most will not. Is this what you want? Where is upward mobility for blacks?

How is it like denying the entire black community. Why do you only apply community when it comes to black people.

I am Asian and I went to Ivy League school. My parents had to make a lot of sacrifices to get me to where I am. I did not do drugs or skip classes I focused and made all the right choices but are you saying I dont deserve any success in life because I worked hard? I have seen lots of Black kids who squander the opportunities they have, why should they deserve any better? I have also seen other Blacks who have struggled and made the right choices and are doing very well.
People should succeed based on their life choices and hard work and not based on race.

I am asian too and I know for sure asians didn't suffer through the indignity of slavery and Jim Crow. I know Asians weren't systematically disenfranchised en masse when it came to voting. I know Asians weren't stopped from buying a home like the blacks were for various reasons until the 1980s, which stops them from accumulating assets or using home equity to pay for college. I know Asians don't have to live in dire circumstances with drug war happening in the neighborhood. I know Asians don't have to worry about cops shooting them on random traffic stops. I know Asians don't have to overcome the entire negative black stereotypes that blacks have to overcome no matter their own individual qualities.

I can keep going but You won't know how bad it is unless you live in their shoes OR have the compassion to feel some one else's pain.

Anonymous wrote:There is an over representation of white Jewish students at all the top schools. The schools should show the % of white Jewish students admitted compared to non Jewish white students. Jewish students are 2% of the population but take almost 30% of the spots at top schools. It is also a lie that they test better and have better gpas. Calling people anti-Semitic for pointing out a massive, glaring preference for one ethnic group based on statistical facts is ludicrous. I judge people on their actions and could care less about skin color, religion, sexual orientation, etc. I see the action of admission tactics at top universities as unbalanced an unethical and contributing to all the anger. Do they think people are blind to their tactics? If someone is good at math they could figure out the statistical rate for admission of white Jewish students vs now n Jewish white students. Let's guess that Jewish students have an 80% admission rate and non Jewish white students have a 1% admission rate.

Ah, there you are. I was wondering when you would show up.

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Anonymous wrote:Check out this chart to see exactly how this effect plays out in admissions to medical schools.



Article discussing it is here:

http://www.aei.org/publication/acceptance-rates-at-us-medical-schools-in-2015-reveal-ongoing-discrimination-against-asian-americans-and-whites/

You seem to believe this chart demonstrates a problem But it's important that we have doctors from different backgrounds/experiences, because it absolutely affects their practice of medicine and their ability to connect with patients. Men on average have higher MCAT scores than women--should they get preference in med school admissions? Isn't it important that we have female doctors as well as male ones?

There is so much that goes into being a good doctor that is not about achievement scores. You need some baseline level of intelligence to be a good doctor, but beyond that baseline, being a good doctor is about so much more than test scores or even innate intelligence--perhaps especially in the primary care specialties, where we have a shortage of providers. In fact, as discussed in the piece below, personality tests are more highly correlated with medical school success than are measures of cognition.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/15/health/14chen.html

High performance on multiple choice tests is not what makes someone a good doctor.

So someone having dark pigmentation in their skin helps you determine that he or she has these other important, non-score-related traits?

No, but recommendations, volunteer work and extracurriculars, and interviews might.

Am I to believe that there is such a high concentration of these other good traits among Hispanics and Blacks compared to Whites and Asians that they get accepted into medical school at 5-10x the rate with similar college grades and MCAT scores?

The AEI article takes data from the American Association of Medical Colleges and reformats it in the most inflammatory way possible, and then leaves off some pretty critical information. The original data from the American Association of Medical Colleges can be found here:

https://www.aamc.org/download/321498/data/factstablea18.pdf

And specifically, if you look at this table, some crucial facts can be gleaned:

https://www.aamc.org/download/321498/data/factstablea18.pdf



The average total MCAT score of applicants:

All applicants--501.8
White--504.0
Asian--503.1
Hispanic--496.2
Black--494.1

IOW, the average black applicant had an MCAT score that was 2 percent lower than the average white applicant. Not exactly scandalous.

What is also shown in this table (conveniently omitted from the AEI piece), is the racial make-up of the total applicant pool and the total matriculant pool:

All applicants--53,042
White--25,544 (48%)
Asian--10,906 (21%)
Hispanic--3,300 (6%)
Black--4,344 (8%)
Mixed race/ethnicity--4,734 (9%)

All matriculants--21,030
White--10,828 (51%)
Asian--4,475 (21%)
Hispanic--1,335 (6%)
Black--1,497 (7%)
Mixed race/ethnicity--1,858 (9%)

So admission rates (matriculants divided by applicants) are:

White--42%
Asian--41%
Hispanic--40%
Black--34%
Mixed race/ethnicity--39%

And the average total MCAT scores of matriculants are:

White--510.1
Asian--510.5
Hispanic--503.0
Black--502.5
Mixed race/ethnicity--508.1

In 2016-2017, the average black matriculant had a total MCAT score that was 1.5 percent lower than the average white matriculant.

Happy to be corrected if my math or reading of the AAMC's data is off.

Your data doesn't seem to match up the data from this chart. Granted the chart is from 2013-2016 (a different date range) but just looking at the average matriculant MCAT scores from this chart, Blacks score 27.3 and whites score 29.2 that is a 7% difference, not 1.5%. Also you don't touch on grades at all, which is another big difference.

What the chart is attempting to show, and does show quite well I believe, is that it is much easier to get into medical school with the same MCAT score and GPA as a black of Hispanic applicant than it is as a white or Asian applicant.

Yeah, that's another thing that's interesting about AEI's "analysis." The MCAT scoring scale appears to have changed recently, but according to this chart/article:

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Medical_College_Admission_Test

the average scaled MCAT score of test takers in 2015 was 499 (which is very close to the average of 2016 applicants I noted above--502). According to the wiki chart, a score of 500 is equal to a score of 25 on the previous scale, which are the scores at the 50th percentile. AEI's chart shows the acceptance rates over a 3 year period with MCAT scores from 24 to 32, or roughly the 47th percentile to the 89th percentile. This is not the full range of scores. Presumably as you drop down below the 50th percentile of scores, you will see acceptance rates decline precipitously for all races, as even the AEI chart suggests. IOW, as I stated in a previous post, there is likely some baseline level of "smarts" that med schools think you need to demonstrate to get in, and below that you probably aren't getting in. But once you meet that baseline, the score itself becomes less important and other factors become more important.

I don't touch on grades at all because grades cannot be standardized. There is rampant grade inflation at some schools and very little at others. There's no way to know if a 3.5 at one school is any different from a 3.6 at another.

What the AEI chart shows is that, at any MCAT/GPA (at or above the 47th percentile), it is easier to get into med school if you are black or Hispanic. What the AEI chart doesn't show is the racial composition of each column. Since only 8% of med school applicants are black, and black students have, on average, lower test scores, it's entirely possible (likely even) that in the top group of applicants shown in the AEI chart, those who had MCAT scores between 30-32 and GPAs between 3.6-3.79, a disproportionate number of them were white or Asian vs. black or Hispanic. In that category of applicants, maybe only 2 or 3 percent are black--at any rate, some number a fair bit smaller than 8%. That small percentage of black students constitutes the creme de la creme of black applicants to med school, based on scores and GPA. Med schools are deciding to take almost all of those applicants. If we want some of the nation's doctors to be black, those are the applicants we want to be accepted, no? Alternatively, if we want to admit students just on GPA and scores, then we might be effectively deciding that only 2% of the nation's doctors are going to be black, even though 13% of the population is black and a significant share of these people have been shown to prefer black doctors.

What the chart also doesn't show is whether a difference in average MCAT score of 27.3 (for blacks) vs 29.2 (for whites) or a difference in average GPA of 3.48 (for blacks) vs. 3.73 (for whites) has any meaningful impact on success in med school and beyond.

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Anonymous wrote:identity politics, GOP style.

Well, to be fair, Identity Politics was indeed started by liberals.


Check your status here:

- black or African
- white
- Asian
- Hispanic
- Native American
- two or more races
- other
- in love with a tree
- polyamorous
- bisexual ambidextrous
- pansexual wiccan
- still deciding
- Brony


Each day, without fail, my middle school daughter would share some story about how another kid in her class has either switched gender or had embraced some other "form." I can no longer keep up.

So?

My rising junior dd recently filled out some info form on a college website. She was telling me that it not only presented about 10+ gender identity options, but the race question actually was phrased as "which race do you identify as." I suppose we can all just choose whatever we want now. It's like identity mad libs.

I fail to see the problem with this statement. I am half white and half URM. I always identify white. Remember your life experience is not universal to all.

Fine. Then I'm guessing it's OK if I identify as black?

Sure...but you KNOW you don't really want to be black. And that is the question I ask my White friends when they start whining about issues like this. Would you trade places with that person - not just the parts you see as an advantage, but the entire experience?

But maybe I would like to be black, since we are basically taught we need to be ashamed that we are white.

so maybe you can answer the question. Would you rather be black?

Some days, I think I might. I'm white. I grew up here, as a minority. Was excluded and ridiculed constantly. In 4th grade, someone took all my folders and drew dots on them (I have freckles). I actually wrote my college admissions essay in 1995 on the racism I had experienced. I work in an office where I am one of only two white people. This doesn't bother me. I adore my co workers, but the topics of conversation often include "white privelige" and calling white people "trump-supporters. I will never understand how this is ok.

Not PP. But you are mixing your personal experience with a generalized and institutionalized racism experienced by blacks. What you may have gone through is not systemic or endemic. It was isolated to your case. What blacks suffer is systemic and highly institutionalized.

White privilege as simple as someone giving the benefit of the doubt to you just because you are white. Let us say you didn't stop at a stop sign and someone seeing you thinks 'this stupid person' and let us say your black friend does the exact same thing and that someone thinks "this stupid black". That is white privilege right there. You as a white person was seen as an individual but the black person was seen as part of a larger community. This is subtle but still systemic racism that you won't suffer from but blacks still do. You do have white privilege whether you see it or not because you don't have the misfortune of living life as a black for your entire life.

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Anonymous wrote:identity politics, GOP style.

Well, to be fair, Identity Politics was indeed started by liberals.


Check your status here:

- black or African
- white
- Asian
- Hispanic
- Native American
- two or more races
- other
- in love with a tree
- polyamorous
- bisexual ambidextrous
- pansexual wiccan
- still deciding
- Brony


Each day, without fail, my middle school daughter would share some story about how another kid in her class has either switched gender or had embraced some other "form." I can no longer keep up.

So?

My rising junior dd recently filled out some info form on a college website. She was telling me that it not only presented about 10+ gender identity options, but the race question actually was phrased as "which race do you identify as." I suppose we can all just choose whatever we want now. It's like identity mad libs.

I fail to see the problem with this statement. I am half white and half URM. I always identify white. Remember your life experience is not universal to all.

Fine. Then I'm guessing it's OK if I identify as black?

Sure...but you KNOW you don't really want to be black. And that is the question I ask my White friends when they start whining about issues like this. Would you trade places with that person - not just the parts you see as an advantage, but the entire experience?

But maybe I would like to be black, since we are basically taught we need to be ashamed that we are white.

Oh yea...who is teaching you that?

If anything, don't be ashamed for being White. Be ashamed that many Whites cannot see that they actually have it pretty good compared to others. Whites are quick to criticize other races for acting like "victims," but they are getting very good at it themselves.

This is racism

There is an over representation of white Jewish students at all the top schools. The schools should show the % of white Jewish students admitted compared to non Jewish white students. Jewish students are 2% of the population but take almost 30% of the spots at top schools. It is also a lie that they test better and have better gpas. Calling people anti-Semitic for pointing out a massive, glaring preference for one ethnic group based on statistical facts is ludicrous. I judge people on their actions and could care less about skin color, religion, sexual orientation, etc. I see the action of admission tactics at top universities as unbalanced an unethical and contributing to all the anger. Do they think people are blind to their tactics? If someone is good at math they could figure out the statistical rate for admission of white Jewish students vs now n Jewish white students. Let's guess that Jewish students have an 80% admission rate and non Jewish white students have a 1% admission rate.

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Anonymous wrote:identity politics, GOP style.

Well, to be fair, Identity Politics was indeed started by liberals.


Check your status here:

- black or African
- white
- Asian
- Hispanic
- Native American
- two or more races
- other
- in love with a tree
- polyamorous
- bisexual ambidextrous
- pansexual wiccan
- still deciding
- Brony


Each day, without fail, my middle school daughter would share some story about how another kid in her class has either switched gender or had embraced some other "form." I can no longer keep up.

So?

My rising junior dd recently filled out some info form on a college website. She was telling me that it not only presented about 10+ gender identity options, but the race question actually was phrased as "which race do you identify as." I suppose we can all just choose whatever we want now. It's like identity mad libs.

I fail to see the problem with this statement. I am half white and half URM. I always identify white. Remember your life experience is not universal to all.

Fine. Then I'm guessing it's OK if I identify as black?

Sure...but you KNOW you don't really want to be black. And that is the question I ask my White friends when they start whining about issues like this. Would you trade places with that person - not just the parts you see as an advantage, but the entire experience?

But maybe I would like to be black, since we are basically taught we need to be ashamed that we are white.

Oh yea...who is teaching you that?

If anything, don't be ashamed for being White. Be ashamed that many Whites cannot see that they actually have it pretty good compared to others. Whites are quick to criticize other races for acting like "victims," but they are getting very good at it themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:identity politics, GOP style.

Well, to be fair, Identity Politics was indeed started by liberals.


Check your status here:

- black or African
- white
- Asian
- Hispanic
- Native American
- two or more races
- other
- in love with a tree
- polyamorous
- bisexual ambidextrous
- pansexual wiccan
- still deciding
- Brony


Each day, without fail, my middle school daughter would share some story about how another kid in her class has either switched gender or had embraced some other "form." I can no longer keep up.

So?

My rising junior dd recently filled out some info form on a college website. She was telling me that it not only presented about 10+ gender identity options, but the race question actually was phrased as "which race do you identify as." I suppose we can all just choose whatever we want now. It's like identity mad libs.

I fail to see the problem with this statement. I am half white and half URM. I always identify white. Remember your life experience is not universal to all.

Fine. Then I'm guessing it's OK if I identify as black?

Sure...but you KNOW you don't really want to be black. And that is the question I ask my White friends when they start whining about issues like this. Would you trade places with that person - not just the parts you see as an advantage, but the entire experience?

But maybe I would like to be black, since we are basically taught we need to be ashamed that we are white.

so maybe you can answer the question. Would you rather be black?

Some days, I think I might. I'm white. I grew up here, as a minority. Was excluded and ridiculed constantly. In 4th grade, someone took all my folders and drew dots on them (I have freckles). I actually wrote my college admissions essay in 1995 on the racism I had experienced. I work in an office where I am one of only two white people. This doesn't bother me. I adore my co workers, but the topics of conversation often include "white privelige" and calling white people "trump-supporters. I will never understand how this is ok.