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Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

I don't think this is a "right or wrong" scenario. DH simply hadn't heard of Grinnell...and DH grew up in the Midwest. The comment is based on perception.

If DC wants to one and done, he probably has a better chance at Kenyon.

Well that’s settles it. The husband of an anonymous poster from the Midwest who went to a liberal arts college says he never heard of Grinnell but heard of Kenyon so Kenyon must be better know. Got it.

Eye roll.

That's really not what I wrote, but you do you.

That’s exactly what you said, and I get why your husband would think that way. Kenyon attracts elite liberal arts college rejects. Grinnell attracts a different kind of apppicant.

"The husband of an anonymous poster from Midwest" - where did you get any of that?

I didn't say DH's opinion was definitive - just what his perception is as a graduate of what has been the #1 liberal arts college in the US multiple times over the last decade (maybe more). He has hired, or had people hire, a lot of people over the last two decades. While he knew about Carleton and Kenyon, Grinnell hadn't pierced his radar. FWIW, I had mentioned the various rankings of the schools in which DC is interested, so now DH is aware though doesn't seem to care as it is ultimately DC's choice. His college counselor thinks DC has a shot at both Grinnell and Kenyon, but we think he is going with the "elite liberal arts college rejects."

IDKYIRL, but the vibe here is neither compassionate nor kind.

Well, if he's a graduate of Williams and has never heard of Grinnell then he's an idiot.

Grinnell isn't very well known. It's got a big endorsement and has gotten better by throwing around merit aid. But it still isn't well known nationally. And Iowa, especially as it has turned hard to the right, isn't where most kids want to be. Kenyon is at least closer to civilization, even if also in a rural area. And definitely mote people know it.

Yea Grinnell is a Johnny come lately college. That’s why it was ranked as a top ten liberal arts college by US News in its first edition nearly 40 years ago. And yea, nobody wants to go to college in Iowa now that it’s turned to the right, and that’s why Grinnell was overwhelmed with applications last year and had an acceptance rate of barely 10 percent.

Idiot.

LOL, that's not me you are replying to, but you continue to do you. Provincial or blinkered in this instance may be more appropriate to refer to my DH, but not idiot. Fairly certain your CV next to his would be found to be utterly lacking.

Lol now you’re bragging about your husband’s CV. How 1950s of you!

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Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

I don't think this is a "right or wrong" scenario. DH simply hadn't heard of Grinnell...and DH grew up in the Midwest. The comment is based on perception.

If DC wants to one and done, he probably has a better chance at Kenyon.

Well that’s settles it. The husband of an anonymous poster from the Midwest who went to a liberal arts college says he never heard of Grinnell but heard of Kenyon so Kenyon must be better know. Got it.

Eye roll.

That's really not what I wrote, but you do you.

That’s exactly what you said, and I get why your husband would think that way. Kenyon attracts elite liberal arts college rejects. Grinnell attracts a different kind of apppicant.

"The husband of an anonymous poster from Midwest" - where did you get any of that?

I didn't say DH's opinion was definitive - just what his perception is as a graduate of what has been the #1 liberal arts college in the US multiple times over the last decade (maybe more). He has hired, or had people hire, a lot of people over the last two decades. While he knew about Carleton and Kenyon, Grinnell hadn't pierced his radar. FWIW, I had mentioned the various rankings of the schools in which DC is interested, so now DH is aware though doesn't seem to care as it is ultimately DC's choice. His college counselor thinks DC has a shot at both Grinnell and Kenyon, but we think he is going with the "elite liberal arts college rejects."

IDKYIRL, but the vibe here is neither compassionate nor kind.

Well, if he's a graduate of Williams and has never heard of Grinnell then he's an idiot.

Grinnell isn't very well known. It's got a big endorsement and has gotten better by throwing around merit aid. But it still isn't well known nationally. And Iowa, especially as it has turned hard to the right, isn't where most kids want to be. Kenyon is at least closer to civilization, even if also in a rural area. And definitely mote people know it.

Yea Grinnell is a Johnny come lately college. That’s why it was ranked as a top ten liberal arts college by US News in its first edition nearly 40 years ago. And yea, nobody wants to go to college in Iowa now that it’s turned to the right, and that’s why Grinnell was overwhelmed with applications last year and had an acceptance rate of barely 10 percent.

Idiot.

LOL, that's not me you are replying to, but you continue to do you. Provincial or blinkered in this instance may be more appropriate to refer to my DH, but not idiot. Fairly certain your CV next to his would be found to be utterly lacking.

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Anonymous wrote:Kenyon and Grinnell both had spikes in applications last year, but Grinnell’s spike was much bigger. For the entering class of 2021, Kenyon had 7601 applications and accepted 35 percent of applicants. Grinnell had 10,533 applications and accepted 10 percent. Before that, Kenyon had been experiencing a steep drop in applications, not Grinnell, which the school itself attributed to Trump backlash - remember who won Ohio in both 2016 and 2020?

I hate it when posters talk out their ass. There is zero evidence that local Iowa politics are dissuading applications to Grinnell.

Grinnell has big following in the Midwest. If DC is looking to settle in Chicago, Saint Louis, Milwaukee, etc. It's a great choice. There's a world out there that isn't the East and West coast. My cousin went to Grinnell and stayed in Iowa. Loves it there.

Anonymous wrote:Kenyon and Grinnell both had spikes in applications last year, but Grinnell’s spike was much bigger. For the entering class of 2021, Kenyon had 7601 applications and accepted 35 percent of applicants. Grinnell had 10,533 applications and accepted 10 percent. Before that, Kenyon had been experiencing a steep drop in applications, not Grinnell, which the school itself attributed to Trump backlash - remember who won Ohio in both 2016 and 2020?

I hate it when posters talk out their ass. There is zero evidence that local Iowa politics are dissuading applications to Grinnell.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

I don't think this is a "right or wrong" scenario. DH simply hadn't heard of Grinnell...and DH grew up in the Midwest. The comment is based on perception.

If DC wants to one and done, he probably has a better chance at Kenyon.

Well that’s settles it. The husband of an anonymous poster from the Midwest who went to a liberal arts college says he never heard of Grinnell but heard of Kenyon so Kenyon must be better know. Got it.

Eye roll.

That's really not what I wrote, but you do you.

That’s exactly what you said, and I get why your husband would think that way. Kenyon attracts elite liberal arts college rejects. Grinnell attracts a different kind of apppicant.

"The husband of an anonymous poster from Midwest" - where did you get any of that?

I didn't say DH's opinion was definitive - just what his perception is as a graduate of what has been the #1 liberal arts college in the US multiple times over the last decade (maybe more). He has hired, or had people hire, a lot of people over the last two decades. While he knew about Carleton and Kenyon, Grinnell hadn't pierced his radar. FWIW, I had mentioned the various rankings of the schools in which DC is interested, so now DH is aware though doesn't seem to care as it is ultimately DC's choice. His college counselor thinks DC has a shot at both Grinnell and Kenyon, but we think he is going with the "elite liberal arts college rejects."

IDKYIRL, but the vibe here is neither compassionate nor kind.

Well, if he's a graduate of Williams and has never heard of Grinnell then he's an idiot.

Grinnell isn't very well known. It's got a big endorsement and has gotten better by throwing around merit aid. But it still isn't well known nationally. And Iowa, especially as it has turned hard to the right, isn't where most kids want to be. Kenyon is at least closer to civilization, even if also in a rural area. And definitely mote people know it.

Yea Grinnell is a Johnny come lately college. That’s why it was ranked as a top ten liberal arts college by US News in its first edition nearly 40 years ago. And yea, nobody wants to go to college in Iowa now that it’s turned to the right, and that’s why Grinnell was overwhelmed with applications last year and had an acceptance rate of barely 10 percent.

Idiot.

Anonymous wrote:I attended parents' weekend this past weekend. I was surprised how much open partying there was. No attempt to hide or tamp down the wildness. Most surprising was the parents getting drunk with their kids and their kids friends. Is this the norm?

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Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

I don't think this is a "right or wrong" scenario. DH simply hadn't heard of Grinnell...and DH grew up in the Midwest. The comment is based on perception.

If DC wants to one and done, he probably has a better chance at Kenyon.

Well that’s settles it. The husband of an anonymous poster from the Midwest who went to a liberal arts college says he never heard of Grinnell but heard of Kenyon so Kenyon must be better know. Got it.

Eye roll.

That's really not what I wrote, but you do you.

That’s exactly what you said, and I get why your husband would think that way. Kenyon attracts elite liberal arts college rejects. Grinnell attracts a different kind of apppicant.

"The husband of an anonymous poster from Midwest" - where did you get any of that?

I didn't say DH's opinion was definitive - just what his perception is as a graduate of what has been the #1 liberal arts college in the US multiple times over the last decade (maybe more). He has hired, or had people hire, a lot of people over the last two decades. While he knew about Carleton and Kenyon, Grinnell hadn't pierced his radar. FWIW, I had mentioned the various rankings of the schools in which DC is interested, so now DH is aware though doesn't seem to care as it is ultimately DC's choice. His college counselor thinks DC has a shot at both Grinnell and Kenyon, but we think he is going with the "elite liberal arts college rejects."

IDKYIRL, but the vibe here is neither compassionate nor kind.

Well, if he's a graduate of Williams and has never heard of Grinnell then he's an idiot.

Grinnell isn't very well known. It's got a big endorsement and has gotten better by throwing around merit aid. But it still isn't well known nationally. And Iowa, especially as it has turned hard to the right, isn't where most kids want to be. Kenyon is at least closer to civilization, even if also in a rural area. And definitely mote people know it.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

I don't think this is a "right or wrong" scenario. DH simply hadn't heard of Grinnell...and DH grew up in the Midwest. The comment is based on perception.

If DC wants to one and done, he probably has a better chance at Kenyon.

Well that’s settles it. The husband of an anonymous poster from the Midwest who went to a liberal arts college says he never heard of Grinnell but heard of Kenyon so Kenyon must be better know. Got it.

Eye roll.

That's really not what I wrote, but you do you.

That’s exactly what you said, and I get why your husband would think that way. Kenyon attracts elite liberal arts college rejects. Grinnell attracts a different kind of apppicant.

"The husband of an anonymous poster from Midwest" - where did you get any of that?

I didn't say DH's opinion was definitive - just what his perception is as a graduate of what has been the #1 liberal arts college in the US multiple times over the last decade (maybe more). He has hired, or had people hire, a lot of people over the last two decades. While he knew about Carleton and Kenyon, Grinnell hadn't pierced his radar. FWIW, I had mentioned the various rankings of the schools in which DC is interested, so now DH is aware though doesn't seem to care as it is ultimately DC's choice. His college counselor thinks DC has a shot at both Grinnell and Kenyon, but we think he is going with the "elite liberal arts college rejects."

IDKYIRL, but the vibe here is neither compassionate nor kind.

Well, if he's a graduate of Williams and has never heard of Grinnell then he's an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

I don't think this is a "right or wrong" scenario. DH simply hadn't heard of Grinnell...and DH grew up in the Midwest. The comment is based on perception.

If DC wants to one and done, he probably has a better chance at Kenyon.

Well that’s settles it. The husband of an anonymous poster from the Midwest who went to a liberal arts college says he never heard of Grinnell but heard of Kenyon so Kenyon must be better know. Got it.

Eye roll.

That's really not what I wrote, but you do you.

That’s exactly what you said, and I get why your husband would think that way. Kenyon attracts elite liberal arts college rejects. Grinnell attracts a different kind of apppicant.

"The husband of an anonymous poster from Midwest" - where did you get any of that?

I didn't say DH's opinion was definitive - just what his perception is as a graduate of what has been the #1 liberal arts college in the US multiple times over the last decade (maybe more). He has hired, or had people hire, a lot of people over the last two decades. While he knew about Carleton and Kenyon, Grinnell hadn't pierced his radar. FWIW, I had mentioned the various rankings of the schools in which DC is interested, so now DH is aware though doesn't seem to care as it is ultimately DC's choice. His college counselor thinks DC has a shot at both Grinnell and Kenyon, but we think he is going with the "elite liberal arts college rejects."

IDKYIRL, but the vibe here is neither compassionate nor kind.

Anonymous wrote:I attended parents' weekend this past weekend. I was surprised how much open partying there was. No attempt to hide or tamp down the wildness. Most surprising was the parents getting drunk with their kids and their kids friends. Is this the norm?

Anonymous wrote:Kenyon is great for 2/3 of its student body. The athletes make up a third, and without strong football and basketball teams, athletes in the other sports like soccer, lacrosse and especially swimming, are the BMOC/BWOC. The other thirds are the serious writers and quirky/crunch/bohemians. The other third - the normal, bright, nice kids - I'm not sure enjoy the Kenyon experience as much.

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Anonymous wrote:Building wise, whether it's the new library, home style "dorms" or the state of the art athletic facilities, it's as good as it gets for a LAC. But it's one thing to be in the middle of nowhere in MA or Maine or CT. It's another thing entirely in OH.

Sorry --- that's just East Coast snobbery. I know it when I see it because I grew up in CT and went to Middlebury. The beauty of a "middle of nowhere" SLAC is that the students learn they can survive without fabulous shopping, restaurants, etc. I've always lived in cities or close-in suburbs except for those 4 years, but the experience instilled in me a respect for small town life and the people who choose it. That's true whether you're talking about New England or the Midwest.

My own experience as someone who grew up in New England but who recently lived for a few years in a college town in the rural south has been that rural living is not a uniform experience. Rural Vermont features an abundance of cultural experiences that reflect an openness to the world; rural AR, not so much. And while colleges like Kenyon are vibrant communities unto themselves, students do like to go off campus on occasion, and it's important for them to feel welcome when they do. Ohio voted for Trump twice. No state in New England has been won by a Republican presidential candidate since 2000. So no, differentiating between rural New England and rural Ohio isn't just a reflection of "East Coast snobbery."