Anonymous
05/22/2019 17:28
Subject: Re:Question for Madlax Parents
For those of little dignity, who still try to rationalize paying Cabel to be involved in their son’s lives....we have a great new Cabel being Cabel story for you to try to defend. He was busted for cheating in 5th grade ‘B’ HoCo playoffs over the weekend and his team was disqualified. He loaded up with 6th graders (and possibly 7th)
I hope the $30/drink Scotch at Millie’s helps ease your shame. Then again, if you are a parent(or even a 5th grader) willing to participate in this pathetic attempt to cheat at 5th grade ‘B’.....well, shame requires a conscience, so never mind.
By the way, your kid is learning how to be just like you, even if he was one of the actual 5th graders on the team.
I’ve had 2 sons play up for teams that were short players. I’d pull my kid from any club that ever asked one to play down. But, never had to worry about that. Wouldn’t allow any of my kids to play for a Cabel team.
I hope the $30/drink Scotch at Millie’s helps ease your shame. Then again, if you are a parent(or even a 5th grader) willing to participate in this pathetic attempt to cheat at 5th grade ‘B’.....well, shame requires a conscience, so never mind.
By the way, your kid is learning how to be just like you, even if he was one of the actual 5th graders on the team.
I’ve had 2 sons play up for teams that were short players. I’d pull my kid from any club that ever asked one to play down. But, never had to worry about that. Wouldn’t allow any of my kids to play for a Cabel team.
Anonymous
02/01/2019 11:28
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:OP here, thank god I have the moral police on this forum to set me straight. You have no idea what I say or don't say to my sons, just because you have issues with dealing with difficult feeling or emotions and have to project is your issue.
In terms of you points:
1. I have not personally seen or witnessed this, I am aware of the email from six years ago. Apparently you are the one perfect person in this world and are incapable of getting over a person making a mistake.
Is that really the best you've got? Your strawman is pathetic and sad. The guy threatened a kid and his parents. Said he would try to sabotage the kid's college prospects and implied he would instruct his team to hurt the kid.
You're really calling that a simple mistake?
Some folks can rationalize pretty much anything.
Anonymous
02/01/2019 11:13
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
OP here, thank god I have the moral police on this forum to set me straight. You have no idea what I say or don't say to my sons, just because you have issues with dealing with difficult feeling or emotions and have to project is your issue.
In terms of you points:
1. I have not personally seen or witnessed this, I am aware of the email from six years ago. Apparently you are the one perfect person in this world and are incapable of getting over a person making a mistake.
Is that really the best you've got? Your strawman is pathetic and sad. The guy threatened a kid and his parents. Said he would try to sabotage the kid's college prospects and implied he would instruct his team to hurt the kid.
You're really calling that a simple mistake?
Anonymous
02/01/2019 10:18
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:different person here.
1. I have not personally seen or witnessed this, I am aware of the email from six years ago. Apparently you are the one perfect person in this world and are incapable of getting over a person making a mistake.
The email from 6 years ago wasn't isolated. It was happening before and has many times since. He is a major donk.
2. Yes, pretty much every major DMV club has been doing this.
Agreed. As the teams in the DMV age up, their rosters get older and older. Older kids in grade school, for the most part, are just physically better than those born 6-12 months later.
3. If you are incapable as an adult of seeing the size of a roster and understanding what that may mean for playing time, chance to move up, etc. then I am not sure what to tell you. Once again, no different from what I have seen at other clubs. Maybe the size of the team is larger but the understanding of numbers, playing time and opportunity to move up is the same.
Agreed. Lacrosse has limited minutes based on the game and any club with team sizes over 20 needs more teams or the parents should move the kids. Even if you are on a really good club but your kid isn't a starter, they are getting about 6-8 minutes of real play in a game, if that.
OP here, thanks for the reasonable response
Anonymous
02/01/2019 09:18
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
different person here.
1. I have not personally seen or witnessed this, I am aware of the email from six years ago. Apparently you are the one perfect person in this world and are incapable of getting over a person making a mistake.
The email from 6 years ago wasn't isolated. It was happening before and has many times since. He is a major donk.
2. Yes, pretty much every major DMV club has been doing this.
Agreed. As the teams in the DMV age up, their rosters get older and older. Older kids in grade school, for the most part, are just physically better than those born 6-12 months later.
3. If you are incapable as an adult of seeing the size of a roster and understanding what that may mean for playing time, chance to move up, etc. then I am not sure what to tell you. Once again, no different from what I have seen at other clubs. Maybe the size of the team is larger but the understanding of numbers, playing time and opportunity to move up is the same.
Agreed. Lacrosse has limited minutes based on the game and any club with team sizes over 20 needs more teams or the parents should move the kids. Even if you are on a really good club but your kid isn't a starter, they are getting about 6-8 minutes of real play in a game, if that.
1. I have not personally seen or witnessed this, I am aware of the email from six years ago. Apparently you are the one perfect person in this world and are incapable of getting over a person making a mistake.
The email from 6 years ago wasn't isolated. It was happening before and has many times since. He is a major donk.
2. Yes, pretty much every major DMV club has been doing this.
Agreed. As the teams in the DMV age up, their rosters get older and older. Older kids in grade school, for the most part, are just physically better than those born 6-12 months later.
3. If you are incapable as an adult of seeing the size of a roster and understanding what that may mean for playing time, chance to move up, etc. then I am not sure what to tell you. Once again, no different from what I have seen at other clubs. Maybe the size of the team is larger but the understanding of numbers, playing time and opportunity to move up is the same.
Agreed. Lacrosse has limited minutes based on the game and any club with team sizes over 20 needs more teams or the parents should move the kids. Even if you are on a really good club but your kid isn't a starter, they are getting about 6-8 minutes of real play in a game, if that.
Anonymous
02/01/2019 08:31
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Getting back to topic. How do parents look themselves in the mirror paying money to this guy and having their son play for him?
Very easily, having sons who have played for multiple clubs in the area we have no issues with ML. We have seen/experienced good and bad at all of the clubs.
Advice part I: To anyone coming to this board for "information", take everything written here with a grain (or a whole dash) of salt. The amount of outright false information is amazing.
Advice part II: Seek the advice of an actual human being that you know and trust, not an anonymous post on a website. You cannot spit in this area without hitting someone who has some insight into the world of DMV lacrosse.
Advice part III: Find the right fit for your child at the the highest level they are able to play. Each club has its strengths and weaknesses, find what situation works best for your child.
Basically what you are saying to your son is, "As long as the owner doesn't threaten us, we'll continue to have you play for him and pay him." If it happens to others, all is good as long as it isn't you.
What moral backbone you have. When you say you have seen good and bad elsewhere, have you ever seen another club:
1. threaten its own players and parents
2. continue to bring in holdbacks to existing rosters
3. have some rosters of 30+ because they keep dangling a carrot to the B team families?
OP here, thank god I have the moral police on this forum to set me straight. You have no idea what I say or don't say to my sons, just because you have issues with dealing with difficult feeling or emotions and have to project is your issue.
In terms of you points:
1. I have not personally seen or witnessed this, I am aware of the email from six years ago. Apparently you are the one perfect person in this world and are incapable of getting over a person making a mistake.
2. Yes, pretty much every major DMV club has been doing this.
3. If you are incapable as an adult of seeing the size of a roster and understanding what that may mean for playing time, chance to move up, etc. then I am not sure what to tell you. Once again, no different from what I have seen at other clubs. Maybe the size of the team is larger but the understanding of numbers, playing time and opportunity to move up is the same.
Anonymous
01/31/2019 22:03
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Getting back to topic. How do parents look themselves in the mirror paying money to this guy and having their son play for him?
Very easily, having sons who have played for multiple clubs in the area we have no issues with ML. We have seen/experienced good and bad at all of the clubs.
Advice part I: To anyone coming to this board for "information", take everything written here with a grain (or a whole dash) of salt. The amount of outright false information is amazing.
Advice part II: Seek the advice of an actual human being that you know and trust, not an anonymous post on a website. You cannot spit in this area without hitting someone who has some insight into the world of DMV lacrosse.
Advice part III: Find the right fit for your child at the the highest level they are able to play. Each club has its strengths and weaknesses, find what situation works best for your child.
Basically what you are saying to your son is, "As long as the owner doesn't threaten us, we'll continue to have you play for him and pay him." If it happens to others, all is good as long as it isn't you.
What moral backbone you have. When you say you have seen good and bad elsewhere, have you ever seen another club:
1. threaten its own players and parents
2. continue to bring in holdbacks to existing rosters
3. have some rosters of 30+ because they keep dangling a carrot to the B team families?
Anonymous
01/31/2019 18:44
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I. Like parents saying a team of 16 and much older 15 year olds playing 8th grade lacrosse doesn't provide any advantage.
II. It's a lacrosse forum. I don't think the soccer and politcis people do much posting here.
III. The right fit meaning find an organization who accomodates and glorifies 16 and much older 15 year olds playing 8th grade lacrosse and parents who stand around justifying it and paying money to an abusive club owner.
OP, so your saying you don't like ML, I think I get it now. The whole point of my post was to answer two specific questions, the one I quoted and the very original question that was asked at the start of the thread. To your points:
I. I know for a fact the ages of my children and based on attending birthday parties, etc. the age of some of the other kids on teams. That covers a small portion of the kids, the rest is speculation. I know I never said anything about age or advantage. As the parent of someone "on age" I am in full agreement that it would be better to have an age based system.
II. No idea what you are talking about here, my post simply replied to a PP and offered some advice on the very original post that started this thread.
III. Once again assume you mean ML only here but in the DMV this has become the norm, not aware of any club in the area that doesn't have pre 9/1 kids on their roster.
Finally, a MadLax parent starting to see the light. If you think an age-based system is better wouldn't you agree 16 year olds and almost 16 year olds shouldn't be playing in an 8th grade league? Your post suggests your kids might be younger since they are still attending group birthday parties. I hope your kid isn't edged out down the years as CM adds more and more double holdbacks to the team. Remember, out of over 50 kids, MadLax couldn't find 20 to meet the age eligibility of WSYL.
Anonymous
01/31/2019 15:18
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:I. Like parents saying a team of 16 and much older 15 year olds playing 8th grade lacrosse doesn't provide any advantage.
II. It's a lacrosse forum. I don't think the soccer and politcis people do much posting here.
III. The right fit meaning find an organization who accomodates and glorifies 16 and much older 15 year olds playing 8th grade lacrosse and parents who stand around justifying it and paying money to an abusive club owner.
OP, so your saying you don't like ML, I think I get it now. The whole point of my post was to answer two specific questions, the one I quoted and the very original question that was asked at the start of the thread. To your points:
I. I know for a fact the ages of my children and based on attending birthday parties, etc. the age of some of the other kids on teams. That covers a small portion of the kids, the rest is speculation. I know I never said anything about age or advantage. As the parent of someone "on age" I am in full agreement that it would be better to have an age based system.
II. No idea what you are talking about here, my post simply replied to a PP and offered some advice on the very original post that started this thread.
III. Once again assume you mean ML only here but in the DMV this has become the norm, not aware of any club in the area that doesn't have pre 9/1 kids on their roster.
Anonymous
01/31/2019 15:06
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Getting back to topic. How do parents look themselves in the mirror paying money to this guy and having their son play for him?
Very easily, having sons who have played for multiple clubs in the area we have no issues with ML. We have seen/experienced good and bad at all of the clubs.
Advice part I: To anyone coming to this board for "information", take everything written here with a grain (or a whole dash) of salt. The amount of outright false information is amazing.
Advice part II: Seek the advice of an actual human being that you know and trust, not an anonymous post on a website. You cannot spit in this area without hitting someone who has some insight into the world of DMV lacrosse.
Advice part III: Find the right fit for your child at the the highest level they are able to play. Each club has its strengths and weaknesses, find what situation works best for your child.
I have spoken with 5 folks that brought up their negative experiences on Madlax - from family friends, parents of rec teamates, parents of travel teammates and folks I've never met before that have shared their personal stories w/ their kids negative experiences w Madlax owner and business practices, Some accounts are a few months old, none is older than 2 1/2 years ago - I'm not talking about the infamous rage email letter Some of these kids are "AAA" players that would start on any team. Consider the equally ANONYMOUS "we love Madlax" and "your kid couldn't make the team" posters - don't hear you speaking out to help the DMV teams get the fundamentals, coaching and support their parents are paying for so your kid can have the coaching he enjoys.
OP here. Fully understand that some people have had bad experiences with ML. Our experience has been good and I know at least an equal number of people with positive experiences to the negative experiences you mentioned. All I was saying was that we have had no issues and was trying to provide some advice to anyone who actually comes here for information on a club choice for their kid(s). Completely agree on consideration of "good" or "bad" posts, that was sort of my whole point. All of these posts, mine included, are flawed for this very reason.
Not really sure what the last point was about DMV. In general from what I have seen the "B" teams at all the clubs are under served. I think there is a huge market opportunity between the "rec" and "AAA" level as none of the clubs seem to do a great job there. In terms of helping out I am not sure what my obligation is as a parent paying for a club to "help out".
Anonymous
01/31/2019 14:09
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Getting back to topic. How do parents look themselves in the mirror paying money to this guy and having their son play for him?
Very easily, having sons who have played for multiple clubs in the area we have no issues with ML. We have seen/experienced good and bad at all of the clubs.
Advice part I: To anyone coming to this board for "information", take everything written here with a grain (or a whole dash) of salt. The amount of outright false information is amazing.
Advice part II: Seek the advice of an actual human being that you know and trust, not an anonymous post on a website. You cannot spit in this area without hitting someone who has some insight into the world of DMV lacrosse.
Advice part III: Find the right fit for your child at the the highest level they are able to play. Each club has its strengths and weaknesses, find what situation works best for your child.
I have spoken with 5 folks that brought up their negative experiences on Madlax - from family friends, parents of rec teamates, parents of travel teammates and folks I've never met before that have shared their personal stories w/ their kids negative experiences w Madlax owner and business practices, Some accounts are a few months old, none is older than 2 1/2 years ago - I'm not talking about the infamous rage email letter Some of these kids are "AAA" players that would start on any team. Consider the equally ANONYMOUS "we love Madlax" and "your kid couldn't make the team" posters - don't hear you speaking out to help the DMV teams get the fundamentals, coaching and support their parents are paying for so your kid can have the coaching he enjoys.
Anonymous
01/31/2019 13:29
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
I. Like parents saying a team of 16 and much older 15 year olds playing 8th grade lacrosse doesn't provide any advantage.
II. It's a lacrosse forum. I don't think the soccer and politcis people do much posting here.
III. The right fit meaning find an organization who accomodates and glorifies 16 and much older 15 year olds playing 8th grade lacrosse and parents who stand around justifying it and paying money to an abusive club owner.
II. It's a lacrosse forum. I don't think the soccer and politcis people do much posting here.
III. The right fit meaning find an organization who accomodates and glorifies 16 and much older 15 year olds playing 8th grade lacrosse and parents who stand around justifying it and paying money to an abusive club owner.
Anonymous
01/31/2019 13:07
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Getting back to topic. How do parents look themselves in the mirror paying money to this guy and having their son play for him?
Very easily, having sons who have played for multiple clubs in the area we have no issues with ML. We have seen/experienced good and bad at all of the clubs.
Advice part I: To anyone coming to this board for "information", take everything written here with a grain (or a whole dash) of salt. The amount of outright false information is amazing.
Advice part II: Seek the advice of an actual human being that you know and trust, not an anonymous post on a website. You cannot spit in this area without hitting someone who has some insight into the world of DMV lacrosse.
Advice part III: Find the right fit for your child at the the highest level they are able to play. Each club has its strengths and weaknesses, find what situation works best for your child.
Anonymous
01/31/2019 12:04
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
Getting back to topic. How do parents look themselves in the mirror paying money to this guy and having their son play for him?
Anonymous
01/31/2019 10:48
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: However fact is that Lars at UVA told alumni and fans that he was building a program.
Lars may want to change that strategy soon. 12-6 last year, 1-3 in the ACC with a first round exit in the NCAA where they probably shouldn't have been invited and 8-7 in his first year. You tell the donors you are building a program when you lose.