A single man in his mid-late thirties IS old. Women just want marriage more and are more generous when it comes to male shortcomings than the reverse, so women are more willing to overlook it. But a man who has made it that far without committing seriously through marriage IS old and stuck in his ways to his detriment *almost all* of the time.

Also dad bods, pot bellies, and thinning hair is the norm at this age, not the exception. These certainly are not young men anymore.

I think it's mostly connected to fertility/having babies. Men tend to find women most attractive in the 20s-early 30s age range. This also happens to be the peak fertility years for women. Is this just a coincidence? I doubt it.

Women also value physical attractiveness and youth, but put more weight on earnings and stability. This is most likely because women are the ones that get pregnant and have babies. While they are pregnant and have young children, women are in an economically vulnerable position. Having a mate with a good job is more important than having one with a six pack.

Of course lots of men and women don't want children, many women have high paying jobs, etc. But a combination of social conditioning and perhaps biology(??) still leads many men to value youth and beauty and women to value $$ and status.

Centuries of excluding women from education, land owning and employment opportunities has fed into this myth that women are manipulative status climbers

Umm, women posting on this forum adhere to that stereotype as well. Look at the sheer number of posts bragging about her income, bragging about her education, bragging about the guy’s money or status, or complaining about lack of men with a statistically improbable income.

Some bitter man has been on a tear trying to bring down older women. Bumping this ancient thread is just the latest.

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Anonymous wrote:Because women peak in 20s/early 30s. Men don't.

This is it!!

How?

All the effects of aging women feel, men feel too.

LOL! It's not about feeling the effects, it's about seeing them. Women start to show their age (in a bad way) in their 30s. Men just get more attractively mature in their 30s and 40s.

LOL, men get more attractive in their 40s, sure Jan.

Anonymous wrote:If a guy is single in his thirties people usually say oh he is waiting for the right girl and taking his time and being responsible. If a woman is 30+ and single she's too old and a spinster.

Remind me, why again?

Is it the fertility thing? But with modern medicine and good nutrition and health most women can conceive for as late as late thirties.

I never considered either old and this is the first time I heard this. No, people say quietly think he keeps getting dumped, but we don't criticize white males in this country. I got married -30 and was the first one in my group and everyone said people are still getting degrees and don't get married until their 30s. At twenty-something I found out my much older husband had severe sperm issues. Meanwhile everyone who married a younger man got pregnant right away. All hush hush, because if a white male gets criticized she's a "B".

Yeah it's always women marrying up when they historically have a lower status DUh

I work at University and i know lots of educated women who date down in every possible criteria, most women do IMO

men aren't more forgiving than women and women aren't manipulative money grubbers en masse. Centuries of excluding women from education, land owning and employment opportunities has fed into this myth that women are manipulative status climbers - and you know 3% might be but the whole misogynistic notion was cooked up when the only way an ambitious woman could attain anything was to marry well, she had absolutely no other option or agency or power at all. I don't know what INCEL forum you ploygamy guys get your info from, but it's wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that many women are even more beautiful in there 30s than in there 20s

I think my wife hit her peak in her mid-late 40's.

Not her fertility, anyway.

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I think my wife hit her peak in her mid-late 40's. She was very young looking in her 20's and early 30's and her career success starting in her late 30's gave her an air of self confidence that she didn't have when she was younger. Her fashion sense also got better. As her husband I can definitely say that more guys took notice of her when she was in her late 40's than early 30's. She's now in her early 60's and still looks darn good.

I obviously don't know your wife, and I'm sure she's good looking. But, I imagine at least part of the dynamic is that a woman who keeps her looks into her late 40s doesn't have nearly as much competition for attention as she had in her early 30s. A lot of people age poorly.

Anonymous wrote:I think that many women are even more beautiful in there 30s than in there 20s

I think my wife hit her peak in her mid-late 40's. She was very young looking in her 20's and early 30's and her career success starting in her late 30's gave her an air of self confidence that she didn't have when she was younger. Her fashion sense also got better. As her husband I can definitely say that more guys took notice of her when she was in her late 40's than early 30's. She's now in her early 60's and still looks darn good.

A man is only as good as his options. A moderately successful man in his early 30s reaches the pinnacle of his options.

Younger women in their 20s will throw themselves at him because he's an "older man" with a bit of money. Women in their 30s will also go for him because they want to be on the fast track for marriage and babies.

I think that many women are even more beautiful in there 30s than in there 20s

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Anonymous wrote:Women will always look their best in their 20's. They are not old in their 30's but because of declining fertility women have been viewed as becoming old in their 30's. That's not to say that women in their 40's and older can't be attractive but they don't have the same supple skin as when they were 20.

The day women realise they have more to offer than their looks is when they will find happiness. Chasing youth with surgery and botox screams of insecurity to me.

What is supple skin? line free and wrinkle free? cause I met plenty of 20 somethings with lines, bags, acne, etc.

Younger skin is dewy, smooth, plump, soft. As you age you get fine lines, larger pores, it's drier. It's aging, it's ok. Older women aren't suppose to be the same as younger women, even in ethnic races you can tell an older face, they get harder somehow.

Agree about the harder face but those of us with round or moon faces (not chubby though) run a lesser risk of getting a hard aging face. Also again I never ask people how old I look but they do tell me how much younger I look when they find out my age.

Oily skin does age better... But people often say someone looks younger just to be nice. Anyway, what are they supposed to say after they find out your age? "Wow, you look older!' or 'Yes, you look just your age'?? Of course they will say you look younger.

I once asked my coworker how old was she and when she answered I was so shocked because she looked significantly older to me. To explain my surprised look I had to say that she looks younger.

Thing is, I never got asked my age. Bosses and nurses looked at their papers and had to comment on my age because I looked young. They didn't HAVE to tell me they looked at my age. I also get carded for R rated movies and asked if I have an adult with me (LOL I"M IN MY LATE 30's!). Also these comments come from latino, asian, black people who can also pass as younger. I am sorry nobody ever thought you looked young though but compliments are nice when you actually do look younger than you are!