Anonymous
03/24/2016 22:25
Subject: Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Proof? Just look at any HS honors or AP class. Most of the kids were in honors or AAP in MS. Most of the GE classes are a continuance of the same GE students from MS.
Your assertion is not proof.
Your demand for proof is not a counter argument. Wouldn't it be more effective to put up your own proof that most Gen Ed students who opt out of honors in middle school go on to embrace it in high school.
You think there are a ton of kids who can't hack honors/AAP English or math in MS, but suddenly have not just the talent, but the foundation, to go up to honors in HS? I seriously doubt it. There are always exceptions, but I'm sure most kids on the GE MS track stay there is HS.
Wait until high school, then get back to us.
Unless they are dumbing down the curriculum and slowing the pace, I'm not sure how a kids who doesn't take honors or is in aap will be successful in, say, honors English.
Why would they need to do either? There is absolutely no middle school prerequisite for any high school honors class. Kids who don't take middle school honors aren't at some kind of disadvantage once they decide to start high school honors. How silly.
Not silly. Skills build on each other. A child who is not learning to read and analyze harder texts and write more/ at a greater depth in honors or AAP MS English is going to gave a harder time when those things are expected of him or her in honors HS and they have to do them for the first time. A kid with no honors English experience is going to be at a disadvantage in AP or IB. You want that for your kid, and think they can make the jump? Fine. Just don't hold my kid back because your kid is trying to pick up skills my kid learned in MS.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 22:17
Subject: Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Proof? Just look at any HS honors or AP class. Most of the kids were in honors or AAP in MS. Most of the GE classes are a continuance of the same GE students from MS.
Your assertion is not proof.
Your demand for proof is not a counter argument. Wouldn't it be more effective to put up your own proof that most Gen Ed students who opt out of honors in middle school go on to embrace it in high school.
You think there are a ton of kids who can't hack honors/AAP English or math in MS, but suddenly have not just the talent, but the foundation, to go up to honors in HS? I seriously doubt it. There are always exceptions, but I'm sure most kids on the GE MS track stay there is HS.
Wait until high school, then get back to us.
Unless they are dumbing down the curriculum and slowing the pace, I'm not sure how a kids who doesn't take honors or is in aap will be successful in, say, honors English.
Why would they need to do either? There is absolutely no middle school prerequisite for any high school honors class. Kids who don't take middle school honors aren't at some kind of disadvantage once they decide to start high school honors. How silly.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 22:13
Subject: Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
Anonymous wrote:This is now four posts in a row of ridiculous agreement against an obvious straw man notion no one has espoused. It's like watching three-year-olds watch Blue's Clues.
Is the "straw man" notion you're referring to the one in which multiple posters have said that to be successful in high school honors and AP classes, students must take elementary and middle school AAP and/or honors classes? Because several posters have claimed just that, and then been completely refuted by those of us who actually have kids in high school. Oh, and also the ludicrous claim that high school honors/AP/IB classes are full of only prior AAP kids - and no prior Gen Ed kids. It's kind of funny that you would say "no one has espoused" that, when the exact opposite is true. So what exactly is your straw man?
Anonymous
03/24/2016 21:22
Subject: Re:Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
Anonymous wrote:+10,000 finally some sense on this board
AAP has NO BEARING on future success of your child lol
That's a lot of caps. Are you sure that you re not desperately trying to convince yourself that your 25 year old is not going to end up living in your basement? Because it certainly seems like you are overcompensating for something.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 21:14
Subject: Re:Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
Anonymous wrote:Here is the point
"Success" is correlated to HHI income and education of the mother
Chances are if you are reading this board you have a high income and education
Your child will be successful. The school has very little impact on the actual outcome of your child.
In the end its your income and education level that matters not whether you were in AAP, how many honors classes you took in middle school, or how many APs you took in high school
Or to put it another way. Schools have little impact in actually moving someone from one economic standard of living to another
Or maybe their success is because HHI well educated mothers are likely to move Heaven and Earth to make sure their kids are in classes like AAP and honors.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 18:48
Subject: Re:Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
Anonymous wrote:Here is the point
"Success" is correlated to HHI income and education of the mother
Chances are if you are reading this board you have a high income and education
Your child will be successful. The school has very little impact on the actual outcome of your child.
In the end its your income and education level that matters not whether you were in AAP, how many honors classes you took in middle school, or how many APs you took in high school
Or to put it another way. Schools have little impact in actually moving someone from one economic standard of living to another
That's the point? The point of what?
Anonymous
03/24/2016 18:34
Subject: Re:Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
Here is the point
"Success" is correlated to HHI income and education of the mother
Chances are if you are reading this board you have a high income and education
Your child will be successful. The school has very little impact on the actual outcome of your child.
In the end its your income and education level that matters not whether you were in AAP, how many honors classes you took in middle school, or how many APs you took in high school
Or to put it another way. Schools have little impact in actually moving someone from one economic standard of living to another
"Success" is correlated to HHI income and education of the mother
Chances are if you are reading this board you have a high income and education
Your child will be successful. The school has very little impact on the actual outcome of your child.
In the end its your income and education level that matters not whether you were in AAP, how many honors classes you took in middle school, or how many APs you took in high school
Or to put it another way. Schools have little impact in actually moving someone from one economic standard of living to another
Anonymous
03/24/2016 13:43
Subject: Re:Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
Anonymous wrote:+10,000 finally some sense on this board
AAP has NO BEARING on future success of your child lol
Isn't that like saying getting a good education has no bearing on the future success of your child?
Anonymous
03/24/2016 12:28
Subject: Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
Then you must not get around much. This describes my son and most of his male friends who didn't really "get" the point of school until high school. It's called maturity and brain development and it happens at a different pace for everyone. Not all of us start out as students, including the many people who contribute great things to world when they grow up -- and it may just help that in the interim they've gotten to slack off, play some sports and start figuring out who they are separate from a report card.
This all goes to highlight the positive aspects of the FCPS AAP system. Those students ready to handle more in elementary have access to Level IV learning, middle school adds the honors option, and by high school all students outside TJ share the same access to whatever their school has to offer.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 12:25
Subject: Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Proof? Just look at any HS honors or AP class. Most of the kids were in honors or AAP in MS. Most of the GE classes are a tcontinuance of the same GE students from MS.
This is not only laughable, but absolute B.S. I've had three kids in high school so far, and one is now in college. Only one of them was in AAP in elementary and middle school. This child is probably my least prepared of all and not nearly as serious a student as his siblings. AAP didn't somehow magically transform him into a stellar student.
AAP has ZERO to do with high school course selection or success. In middle school, kids can self-select all honors classes if they wish. In high school, they can self-select honors, AP/IB, or regular. The AP classes my kids have taken are full of kids who were never in AAP, in addition to those who were. It's a complete mix of kids, as it should be. I think some of you are trying to make some sort of (false) correlation between elementary/middle school AAP and AP/IB classes in high school. They have nothing to do with one another. And for those of you saying that AAP kids are "better prepared" for the rigors of high school, that too would be B.S. It's completely dependent on the student and their work ethic, interests, etc. I can't believe the ridiculous rumors I've read on this forum.
Were your kids in MS honors? My post isn't AAP specific. Reread
In middle school, we encouraged our kids to take only the honors classes that interested them, not a full slate of honors every year. We had no desire to start the pressure cooker environment any earlier than high school, and even in high school, we had the same philosophy: take the advanced courses that interest you and don't bother with the ones that don't. Consequently, our kids have enjoyed school and done well without feeling they had to take every advanced course available. A balanced life is far more important to us than insisting on all honors or all AP classes.
I guess all of that is just to say that taking middle school honors classes (or not) has nothing to do with success in high school honors, AP, etc.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 11:40
Subject: Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Proof? Just look at any HS honors or AP class. Most of the kids were in honors or AAP in MS. Most of the GE classes are a continuance of the same GE students from MS.
Your assertion is not proof.
Your demand for proof is not a counter argument. Wouldn't it be more effective to put up your own proof that most Gen Ed students who opt out of honors in middle school go on to embrace it in high school.
You think there are a ton of kids who can't hack honors/AAP English or math in MS, but suddenly have not just the talent, but the foundation, to go up to honors in HS? I seriously doubt it. There are always exceptions, but I'm sure most kids on the GE MS track stay there is HS.
Wait until high school, then get back to us.
Unless they are dumbing down the curriculum and slowing the pace, I'm not sure how a kids who doesn't take honors or is in aap will be successful in, say, honors English.
Then you must not get around much. This describes my son and most of his male friends who didn't really "get" the point of school until high school. It's called maturity and brain development and it happens at a different pace for everyone. Not all of us start out as students, including the many people who contribute great things to world when they grow up -- and it may just help that in the interim they've gotten to slack off, play some sports and start figuring out who they are separate from a report card.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 09:10
Subject: Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
This is now four posts in a row of ridiculous agreement against an obvious straw man notion no one has espoused. It's like watching three-year-olds watch Blue's Clues.
Anonymous
03/24/2016 07:03
Subject: Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Proof? Just look at any HS honors or AP class. Most of the kids were in honors or AAP in MS. Most of the GE classes are a tcontinuance of the same GE students from MS.
This is not only laughable, but absolute B.S. I've had three kids in high school so far, and one is now in college. Only one of them was in AAP in elementary and middle school. This child is probably my least prepared of all and not nearly as serious a student as his siblings. AAP didn't somehow magically transform him into a stellar student.
AAP has ZERO to do with high school course selection or success. In middle school, kids can self-select all honors classes if they wish. In high school, they can self-select honors, AP/IB, or regular. The AP classes my kids have taken are full of kids who were never in AAP, in addition to those who were. It's a complete mix of kids, as it should be. I think some of you are trying to make some sort of (false) correlation between elementary/middle school AAP and AP/IB classes in high school. They have nothing to do with one another. And for those of you saying that AAP kids are "better prepared" for the rigors of high school, that too would be B.S. It's completely dependent on the student and their work ethic, interests, etc. I can't believe the ridiculous rumors I've read on this forum.
+Googol
People...listen up...here is a person who survived the AAP madness and now has AAP wisdom through actual experience...For those obsessive AAP parents out there...now you have it...all kids are capable of being successful in school...not just AAP kids...and as kids grow...they change and become more than they thought they could be...even if they are in GE...if our kids can grow...maybe there is hope for some of those AAP parents who think the world revolves around their genius and AAP...reality check...it doesn't...your kid is just a kid with a gift...embrace that...your are a lucky parent...relax and take your kid out for ice cream...its going to be a beautiful day...
Anonymous
03/24/2016 06:49
Subject: Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Proof? Just look at any HS honors or AP class. Most of the kids were in honors or AAP in MS. Most of the GE classes are a tcontinuance of the same GE students from MS.
This is not only laughable, but absolute B.S. I've had three kids in high school so far, and one is now in college. Only one of them was in AAP in elementary and middle school. This child is probably my least prepared of all and not nearly as serious a student as his siblings. AAP didn't somehow magically transform him into a stellar student.
AAP has ZERO to do with high school course selection or success. In middle school, kids can self-select all honors classes if they wish. In high school, they can self-select honors, AP/IB, or regular. The AP classes my kids have taken are full of kids who were never in AAP, in addition to those who were. It's a complete mix of kids, as it should be. I think some of you are trying to make some sort of (false) correlation between elementary/middle school AAP and AP/IB classes in high school. They have nothing to do with one another. And for those of you saying that AAP kids are "better prepared" for the rigors of high school, that too would be B.S. It's completely dependent on the student and their work ethic, interests, etc. I can't believe the ridiculous rumors I've read on this forum.
+1000
Anonymous
03/24/2016 06:27
Subject: Re:Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole
+10,000 finally some sense on this board
AAP has NO BEARING on future success of your child lol
AAP has NO BEARING on future success of your child lol