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Anonymous wrote:I don't blame the officers, that was a scary mob and there was no way to tell their ages. Of course now their careers will be over as they are crucified by public opinion. The law/rule breakers will be held up as beacons of our society.

A scary mob? It was a bunch of scattering kids--who were very clearly kids. Except for the fat, old white lady pulling hair and the fat, old white men strutting aroudndlike they had been deputized. Those people were clearly not kids. The rest though: clearly kids leaving a party.

Not clear when I watched it. Looked like Black teens and older. Which are very capable of being a scary mob.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't blame the officers, that was a scary mob and there was no way to tell their ages. Of course now their careers will be over as they are crucified by public opinion. The law/rule breakers will be held up as beacons of our society.

A scary mob? It was a bunch of scattering kids--who were very clearly kids. Except for the fat, old white lady pulling hair and the fat, old white men strutting aroudndlike they had been deputized. Those people were clearly not kids. The rest though: clearly kids leaving a party.

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Anonymous wrote:That neighborhood is not all white.

I'm not sure what that has to do with a racialized approach by law enforcement. New York isn't all white, either, but it's basically impossible to argue that Stop and Frisk isn't problematic from a racial enforcement point of view.

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Anonymous wrote:So what has to happen, PPs, for you to agree that there is a problem of police brutality perpetrated against people of color in this country?

It sounds like what you guys are in search of is the "perfect victim." I don't know how you expect that to happen, because the police are not going to show up unless someone in the immediate area is perceived to be breaking the law.

Expect more of your public servants. The idea that a teenager being kicked out of a party has a larger responsibility to behave appropriately and with respect than does a sworn officer of the law is offensive. You PPs' attempts to absolve the officer of guilt in this situation are offensive.

I'm not absolving this officer of guilt. Clearly he needs a different career.
I'm also not absolving the teens of guilt for trespassing or alleviating their parents of their responsibility to raise respectful citizens.

I see 50+ kids crashing a party they weren't invited to.
I see no parents making an effort to know what their children were doing. I know what my kids post on the internet because i make it a point to. If nothing else, for their own safety. And when they say "I'm going here" I pick up the phone and verify that they are in fact going where they say they are.

How do you know which kids were invited? Many of the kids invited were Black, and some of the Black, invited teens were handcuffed. Also, some of the crashers were White.

So you saw 50+ kids who were Black and assumed they are all crashers. You made an assumption about children solely based on the color of their skin. I.E. you are prejudiced.

And swearing that you "know what your kids are doing" is just like the shipbuilders calling the Titanic unsinkable. One of these days, those kids of yours will surprise you and make you eat your arrogant words.

Wait... show me in the PP where I said I saw 50 Black kids? I said nothing of the such. I said I saw 50 KIDS (50 perhaps being the only exaggeration there since I admit I didn't count). This is you escalating a situation by jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. The very same thing you're wanting to torch this police officer for doing. If you want justice, consider taking a higher road. You're not going to win support by being belligerent, obtuse, or accusing people of being prejudice when they said nothing of the sort.

No one knew which kids were invited or uninvited specifically because instead of cooperating with the authority of the law they mouthed off and made the job of every one of those police officers harder than it needed to be.

Be it arrogant or not, but if I'm going to be held legally accountable for the shit my kids do, I'm going to know about it. That's called parenting, and while it may not be right for every family, it's right for me. When your kids realize early on they can't get away with things, they stop pulling it. You're right though. My DD was offered a full ride academic scholarship. I sure was shocked!

Anonymous wrote:I don't blame the officers, that was a scary mob and there was no way to tell their ages. Of course now their careers will be over as they are crucified by public opinion. The law/rule breakers will be held up as beacons of our society.

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Anonymous wrote:Nice kids my ass:

Gestner wrapped up his post alleging that these same kids came back into the neighborhood Saturday night. They were “kicking in people’s front door, stole a truck and crashed it into many vehicles. They vandalized dozens of cars and were stealing things.”


http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/07/video-emerges-of-violence-at-innocent-pool-party-in-mckinney-texas/

1) How does he know it was the same kids ???
2) Police report verifying these folo up incidents?

While that's a valid point, why is it every time something like this happens people resort to crime and looting? I honestly wish I could understand this. There is a right way and a wrong way to express a point or an opinion. Breaking into peoples cars, kicking in their doors and destroying private property isn't the right way but it seems to be the result of every racially fueled altercation in this country. It's certainly not helping the cause.

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Anonymous wrote:Nice kids my ass:

Gestner wrapped up his post alleging that these same kids came back into the neighborhood Saturday night. They were “kicking in people’s front door, stole a truck and crashed it into many vehicles. They vandalized dozens of cars and were stealing things.”


http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/07/video-emerges-of-violence-at-innocent-pool-party-in-mckinney-texas/

1) How does he know it was the same kids ???
2) Police report verifying these folo up incidents?

How do we know it wasn't an attack by ISIS?

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of your feelings about this, please, please teach your kids to obey the police immediately in such a situation in as non-threatening way as possible. Teach them to lay down on the ground and put their hands up where the cops can see it.

This could have become a tragedy. Please teach your kids to do everything to deescalate the situation.

Wow, it is the children's job???? Seriously, this sounds like you would blame the black kids in 1960 Selma and Birmingham for the dogs and the waterhoses.....

You mean, is it the children's job to follow directions?

Yes, it's pretty much their job.

Unless you're planning to raise thugs or terrorists, of course.

Similarly, it is the police officers' job to de-escalate the situation. Is that what you think they did?

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Anonymous wrote:So what has to happen, PPs, for you to agree that there is a problem of police brutality perpetrated against people of color in this country?

It sounds like what you guys are in search of is the "perfect victim." I don't know how you expect that to happen, because the police are not going to show up unless someone in the immediate area is perceived to be breaking the law.

Expect more of your public servants. The idea that a teenager being kicked out of a party has a larger responsibility to behave appropriately and with respect than does a sworn officer of the law is offensive. You PPs' attempts to absolve the officer of guilt in this situation are offensive.

I'm not absolving this officer of guilt. Clearly he needs a different career.
I'm also not absolving the teens of guilt for trespassing or alleviating their parents of their responsibility to raise respectful citizens.

I see 50+ kids crashing a party they weren't invited to.
I see no parents making an effort to know what their children were doing. I know what my kids post on the internet because i make it a point to. If nothing else, for their own safety. And when they say "I'm going here" I pick up the phone and verify that they are in fact going where they say they are.

+1000.

But let's ignore all this, and scream racism instead. Much more fun!

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Anonymous wrote:So what has to happen, PPs, for you to agree that there is a problem of police brutality perpetrated against people of color in this country?

It sounds like what you guys are in search of is the "perfect victim." I don't know how you expect that to happen, because the police are not going to show up unless someone in the immediate area is perceived to be breaking the law.

Expect more of your public servants. The idea that a teenager being kicked out of a party has a larger responsibility to behave appropriately and with respect than does a sworn officer of the law is offensive. You PPs' attempts to absolve the officer of guilt in this situation are offensive.

I'm not absolving this officer of guilt. Clearly he needs a different career.
I'm also not absolving the teens of guilt for trespassing or alleviating their parents of their responsibility to raise respectful citizens.

I see 50+ kids crashing a party they weren't invited to.
I see no parents making an effort to know what their children were doing. I know what my kids post on the internet because i make it a point to. If nothing else, for their own safety. And when they say "I'm going here" I pick up the phone and verify that they are in fact going where they say they are.

How do you know which kids were invited? Many of the kids invited were Black, and some of the Black, invited teens were handcuffed. Also, some of the crashers were White.

So you saw 50+ kids who were Black and assumed they are all crashers. You made an assumption about children solely based on the color of their skin. I.E. you are prejudiced.

And swearing that you "know what your kids are doing" is just like the shipbuilders calling the Titanic unsinkable. One of these days, those kids of yours will surprise you and make you eat your arrogant words.

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Expect more of your public servants. The idea that a teenager being kicked out of a party has a larger responsibility to behave appropriately and with respect than does a sworn officer of the law is offensive. You PPs' attempts to absolve the officer of guilt in this situation are offensive

THIS, a thousand times, every time there's a cop/idiot interaction where people blame the citizen. I expect more from trained officers.

This may be news to you, but the police are public servants of the CITIZENS, not of the CRIMINALS (petty or otherwise).

The police stopped being public servants of the teenager when she:
- trespassed property
- was part of a mob attacking a resident
- didn't comply with police requests

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I favor putting more public parks and water parks in rich people's neighborhoods. It is a check on racism.

I bet there are public pools in those areas just like there are around here But that's not going to be as fun as crashing a private pool.

This is all beside the point. These are young teens and as far as I know, trespassing, which HAS NOT been proven yet, doesn't and shouldn't result in this kind of,police behavior.

Why on earth do we not expect more from our polIce force?

What pool, country club or HOA do you belong to? Please invite 50+ unruly, underprivileged teens to your pool, some may need to jump the fence, but that's ok! Just try it as an experiment-find a tough HS in SE or PG-put up fancy fliers and just let them come-it should be fun! Let us all know how it goes! and do tell how your neighbors react......

who has proven who says they were unruly OR underprivileged?

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Expect more of your public servants. The idea that a teenager being kicked out of a party has a larger responsibility to behave appropriately and with respect than does a sworn officer of the law is offensive. You PPs' attempts to absolve the officer of guilt in this situation are offensive

THIS, a thousand times, every time there's a cop/idiot interaction where people blame the citizen. I expect more from trained officers.

This may be news to you, but the police are public servants of the CITIZENS, not of the CRIMINALS (petty or otherwise).

The police stopped being public servants of the teenager when she:
- trespassed property
- was part of a mob attacking a resident
- didn't comply with police requests