Anonymous
Post 06/22/2015 11:20     Subject: Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
Anonymous wrote:200K HHI is not considered high SES in MoCo. Maybe it is for Einstein area but for MoCo, it's middle class at best.


Considered by whom? The median household income in Montgomery County is about $100,000. In case you're uncertain -- "median" means that half of households have an income of less than $100,000 and half of households have an income of more than $100,000. If you don't think that twice the median income for the county counts as affluent, then I wonder how you define affluent.

Also, household income is only one aspect of SES. SES stands for socio-economic status.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2015 11:06     Subject: Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
200K HHI is not considered high SES in MoCo. Maybe it is for Einstein area but for MoCo, it's middle class at best.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2015 15:33     Subject: Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You Einstein parents all hypocrites; trying to separate your white high SES kids from low SES/minority kids. So much for diversity is great BS. You are no better.


I have 3 children in the Einstein cluster - 2 in ES and 1 in MS. We know quite a few Einstein kids and plan to send our own to Einstein.

Valuing diversity is a complicated issue, and I would argue that most white, high SES families in the Einstein cluster didn't choose it because of diversity. If I were going to guess, the majority of high SES families whose children attend public school have an HHI that is less than 200,000, value being close to DC, want a SFH, and have been priced out of the Bethesda housing market. Most of these families do not have parents that are helping with housing down payments or private school payments, which is why they/we don't want to overextend and move to Bethesda.

There are always people who answer on these threads that they can afford to move to Bethesda/Potomac/Etc. or go private, but choose public because of diversity. I agree that this is misleading and likely the diversity is a side benefit to them, and not the primary reason they stay. Are they hypocrites? Not sure I'd go that far. ES and MS are not leveled so there is no "separation" in SES-- I have no experience with highschool, but assume, that there are some classes where high SES kids encounter low SES kids. There are not separate school entrances, lockers, cafeteria, etc. The idea that high SES families are able to shield or separate their children from low SES kids at Einstein is completely ludicrous.

You are also assuming that only white people are high SES in these schools. That is simply not true, and if you lived here you would know that.


Yes, people in these threads usually assume that all high SES students in these schools are white. But what is never addressed is the minority SES because if we were all being honest we also have the same concerns as the white SES and maybe even more so because a minority child might want to associate more with minority children. If those children are of a different SES, college is not a consideration or they have other issues that I don't want my child around, then I am not sure it can be called racism on my part- it classism. I wouldn't send my child to Einstein, and we are minorities, but only because I feel that the minority students there seem (and I could be very wrong) more low performing. I'd rather a school where the minority students are mostly from a higher SES and have the same aspirations.


I am posted the message you replied to and the group that I have noticed leaving the cluster the most are high SES AA families. Within my friend group, AA families start out at ES in the cluster because they want a more diverse experience for their child. Some leave during ES and then an even larger cohort leave in MS. They are worried about peer groups and their kids falling into a bad crowd in MS and HS. I assume there is also worry about their kids being stereotyped as low achieving due to their race (this has never been articulated to me, but I can imagine that it is a potential concern). There are also high SES AA families that love the Einstein cluster, stay, and have kids that go on to elite universities and successful careers.

You didn't mention what race you are. South Asians and East Asians are in a very distinct minority in the cluster (at least at the ES and MS I am at), but this is no surprise. The Asian (they are Chinese and Korean) families that I know in our neighborhood always planned to send their kids to private.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2015 15:22     Subject: Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
Anonymous wrote:

Yes, people in these threads usually assume that all high SES students in these schools are white. But what is never addressed is the minority SES because if we were all being honest we also have the same concerns as the white SES and maybe even more so because a minority child might want to associate more with minority children. If those children are of a different SES, college is not a consideration or they have other issues that I don't want my child around, then I am not sure it can be called racism on my part- it classism. I wouldn't send my child to Einstein, and we are minorities, but only because I feel that the minority students there seem (and I could be very wrong) more low performing. I'd rather a school where the minority students are mostly from a higher SES and have the same aspirations.


This is a very realistic concern, but also one that can only be speculated on based on the data available. I'd LOVE to see SAT scores broken out by SES but the school doesn't collect those numbers. So, yes, if you want to guarantee that your kids will mostly come into contact with higher SES kids, then the WOTP schools are a better bet.

On a related note, based on some weird geography, DC's elementary school (majority minority) has a lot of kids who can "opt into" a higher performing (majority white) school nearby. I always encourage the Black and Latino families to look closely at *who* is performing higher at the other school, because boys and girls of color actually do better at DC's school. Test scores aren't everything, but there's something to be said for a school that puts a premium on hiring Black and Latin@ teachers, and making sure kids have role models who look like them.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2015 15:14     Subject: Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You Einstein parents all hypocrites; trying to separate your white high SES kids from low SES/minority kids. So much for diversity is great BS. You are no better.


I have 3 children in the Einstein cluster - 2 in ES and 1 in MS. We know quite a few Einstein kids and plan to send our own to Einstein.

Valuing diversity is a complicated issue, and I would argue that most white, high SES families in the Einstein cluster didn't choose it because of diversity. If I were going to guess, the majority of high SES families whose children attend public school have an HHI that is less than 200,000, value being close to DC, want a SFH, and have been priced out of the Bethesda housing market. Most of these families do not have parents that are helping with housing down payments or private school payments, which is why they/we don't want to overextend and move to Bethesda.

There are always people who answer on these threads that they can afford to move to Bethesda/Potomac/Etc. or go private, but choose public because of diversity. I agree that this is misleading and likely the diversity is a side benefit to them, and not the primary reason they stay. Are they hypocrites? Not sure I'd go that far. ES and MS are not leveled so there is no "separation" in SES-- I have no experience with highschool, but assume, that there are some classes where high SES kids encounter low SES kids. There are not separate school entrances, lockers, cafeteria, etc. The idea that high SES families are able to shield or separate their children from low SES kids at Einstein is completely ludicrous.

You are also assuming that only white people are high SES in these schools. That is simply not true, and if you lived here you would know that.


Yes, people in these threads usually assume that all high SES students in these schools are white. But what is never addressed is the minority SES because if we were all being honest we also have the same concerns as the white SES and maybe even more so because a minority child might want to associate more with minority children. If those children are of a different SES, college is not a consideration or they have other issues that I don't want my child around, then I am not sure it can be called racism on my part- it classism. I wouldn't send my child to Einstein, and we are minorities, but only because I feel that the minority students there seem (and I could be very wrong) more low performing. I'd rather a school where the minority students are mostly from a higher SES and have the same aspirations.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2015 14:52     Subject: Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
Anonymous wrote:You Einstein parents all hypocrites; trying to separate your white high SES kids from low SES/minority kids. So much for diversity is great BS. You are no better.


I have 3 children in the Einstein cluster - 2 in ES and 1 in MS. We know quite a few Einstein kids and plan to send our own to Einstein.

Valuing diversity is a complicated issue, and I would argue that most white, high SES families in the Einstein cluster didn't choose it because of diversity. If I were going to guess, the majority of high SES families whose children attend public school have an HHI that is less than 200,000, value being close to DC, want a SFH, and have been priced out of the Bethesda housing market. Most of these families do not have parents that are helping with housing down payments or private school payments, which is why they/we don't want to overextend and move to Bethesda.

There are always people who answer on these threads that they can afford to move to Bethesda/Potomac/Etc. or go private, but choose public because of diversity. I agree that this is misleading and likely the diversity is a side benefit to them, and not the primary reason they stay. Are they hypocrites? Not sure I'd go that far. ES and MS are not leveled so there is no "separation" in SES-- I have no experience with highschool, but assume, that there are some classes where high SES kids encounter low SES kids. There are not separate school entrances, lockers, cafeteria, etc. The idea that high SES families are able to shield or separate their children from low SES kids at Einstein is completely ludicrous.

You are also assuming that only white people are high SES in these schools. That is simply not true, and if you lived here you would know that.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2015 13:24     Subject: Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
Anonymous wrote:You Einstein parents all hypocrites; trying to separate your white high SES kids from low SES/minority kids. So much for diversity is great BS. You are no better.


WTH are you talking about? The question is, can a high-performing child (OP says her kid's grades are good) do well at Einstein? The answer is YES, based on objective data.

It is not about separating the races. It is about succeeding at a demographically mixed school. As we can see, students can and DO perform well at Einstein.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2015 12:37     Subject: Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
Anonymous wrote:You Einstein parents all hypocrites; trying to separate your white high SES kids from low SES/minority kids. So much for diversity is great BS. You are no better.


Yes, we better transfer our kids to a lower ranking school. Technically if we are going to Einstein according to DCUM, we are the low SES as making $140-250,000 is poor.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2015 12:35     Subject: Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
Anonymous wrote:I found SAT data for 2013, Table A12 shows it broken down by high school and race. Einstein is 1809. Average white student score at Churchill is 1845, WJ is 1790, BCC 1867.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/2013SATDataTables.pdf


Thank you for sharing. The gap between whites and everyone else is pretty frightening. I think we'll pass.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2015 10:28     Subject: Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
You Einstein parents all hypocrites; trying to separate your white high SES kids from low SES/minority kids. So much for diversity is great BS. You are no better.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2015 02:55     Subject: Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
^^ WJ is 1806
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2015 20:07     Subject: Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
Anonymous wrote:I found SAT data for 2013, Table A12 shows it broken down by high school and race. Einstein is 1809. Average white student score at Churchill is 1845, WJ is 1790, BCC 1867.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/2013SATDataTables.pdf


I just for the 2014 data, table A12 again. For white students Einstein is 1818. Average white student score at Churchill is 1842, WJ is 1842, BCC 1823. http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2014/14.10.14%20Prin%20Memo%202014%20SAT.pdf
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2015 19:59     Subject: Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
I found SAT data for 2013, Table A12 shows it broken down by high school and race. Einstein is 1809. Average white student score at Churchill is 1845, WJ is 1790, BCC 1867.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/2013SATDataTables.pdf
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2015 18:27     Subject: Re:Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
Anonymous wrote:
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No one cares where you went to high school except college admissions boards, and then everyone cares where you went to college.


This way of thinking is about a decade outdated. Do you work outside the home?


One does not work inside the home. Yes, I'm employed and no one has ever cared where I went to high school or impressed that I went to better high schools. They care where I got my master's degree from and I have the proper credentials for the job.


The point I was trying make is that outside of perhaps academia, few employers anymore are hung up on where you went to college. For anyone paying attention, we are living in a tech-driven talent economy and companies that hope to survive want to know what you can do, not what your pedigree is. I work for a major media company, a big brand name; 10 years ago the class of summer interns was almost entirely Ivy League kids, this summer, none are. They come from a wide variety of colleges, including many state schools. The thing they have in common is they all have sophisticated digital skills and creative talent.

The field is leveling in similar fashion is most industries. What can you do, not where did you go.


It depends on your job - I care where my doctor went to school or other professions. In IT, no it doesn't matter as much.


You care where your doctor went to college?
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2015 17:06     Subject: Tell me about Albert Einstein HS
Anonymous wrote:2006-2010 data!! OLD DATA.

Since 2010, Churchill's avg SAT went up by 75, and Einstein's SAT went down by that much.


Oh, you have a more recent source to share which shows scores broken down by race, which was the PPs point, after all?

Anyone can post the aggregate score, which is always done on these boards. It's when those scores are then broken down by race that a different picture emerges.

I'm going to guess the scores of white kids at Einstein have not fallen off the cliff in relation to their counterparts at the other schools mentioned. But I welcome you proving otherwise.