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No, he's not. He's a transgender woman. That's the actual medical term for the person you describe. It's not magic, it's science.

Someone with a Y chromosome is a man.

That's science.

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Anonymous wrote:Gyms should have a unisex bathroom, one stall with a shower, for transgenders.
Problem solved!

Separate but equal solves the problem?

But if we don't have equal body parts, then how are we equal when it comes to a bathroom or locker room?

So, no, separate until equal solves the problem.

Anonymous wrote:What the procedure should the gym implement in future to screen transgendered? Should they lets every male who claims that he is a female to use female locker? Should they defend dr. Note?

From this gym's statement on the incident in question: "Our gender identity non-discrimination policy states that members and guests may use all gym facilities based on their sincere self-reported gender identity."

So as to what procedure a gym should use to "screen transgendered", my answer would be "sincere self-reporting of gender identity" dictates what bathroom you're allowed to use. As others have pointed out, transwomen are in far more danger if forced to use men's rooms than ciswomen are from a transwoman using a women's room.

When you find an example of a woman being victimized by a man who gained entry into a women's bathroom or locker room by wearing a dress and lipstick, you should feel free to post a link to that example. Until then, my recommendation is that we continue to focus on problems that actually exist, rather than hypothetical problems. As for women who are uncomfortable with men at the gym, that's what Curves is for. Maybe you'd feel more comfortable there.

Anonymous wrote:What the procedure should the gym implement in future to screen transgendered? Should they lets every male who claims that he is a female to use female locker? Should they defend dr. Note?

I think this might be a reasonable compromise. If someone who is transgender can have a note from their doctor (or perhaps a psychiatrist who they have been working with to transition), then that seems fair.

What the procedure should the gym implement in future to screen transgendered? Should they lets every male who claims that he is a female to use female locker? Should they defend dr. Note?

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Anonymous wrote:PF has no problem with the female clients being uncomfortably naked in the presence of a person who is biologically and physically a man, as long as it is PC. Any woman who is uncomfortable undressing in the presence of a strange man should join a gym, and there are several, that takes their uncomfortableness them into consideration.

But there wasn't a "strange man" in the women's locker room. There were only women.

Ok I'm totally in favor of PF's decision in this case and I agree that unless someone is swinging their penis around the locker room, no one should be concerned about a transgender woman changing in the woman's locker room.

BUT, it is complete BS to say that their were no men in the locker room. Just because someone feels, dresses, and acts like a woman does not make them a woman. It just doesn't. And it honestly makes you sound delusional when you claim the opposite. We simply cannot have an honest conversation about transgender issues when you mAke blatantly false statements.

I agree. It's ridiculous to say that a man who thinks he's a woman is...a woman. He still a man. He's a man with a psychological problem, IMO, and he has my sympathy.

You don't magically become a woman by feeling like one.

No, he's not. He's a transgender woman. That's the actual medical term for the person you describe. It's not magic, it's science. You might consider doing some research on the subject, since you believe yourself to be such an expert.

From a 2011 article in a scholarly journal: "The current medical approach to treatment for persons diagnosed with gender identity disorder is to support the individual in physically modifying the body to better match the psychological gender identity. This approach is based on the concept that their experience is based in a medical problem correctable by various forms of medical intervention."

Link here: http://www.wpath.org/uploaded_files/140/files/IJT%20SOC,%20V7.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:And I agree with the PP who said thinking it didn't magically make you a woman. If I decide I identify more with the Chinese, it doesn't change the fact that I'm white

Exactly. It's pretty ridiculous to claim otherwise.

So sorry, round eye. If I say I am Chinese, you must accept it.

http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/eeo1/qanda-implementation.cfm

13.Q: What should an employer do if it believes that an employee is of a different race or ethnicity than the employee claims to be?

A: The employer must accept the employee’s self-identification by race and by ethnicity. Self-identification is a basic principle underlying these changes to the EEO-1 report. See 70 Fed. Reg. 71296.

Can you go back and forth, and change race and ethnicity depending on what form you are completing?

Anonymous wrote:Oh fer chrissake you can't avoid noticing other people genitals in a locker room.

Dear God, I do my best to AVOID noticing other people's horrid bodies, but it is inescapable.

This. I don't believe these posters one bit when they say they have not noticed people in the locker rooms. Unless they are blind, they are lying.

I can self-identify of a different race if I feel like it. More benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:And I agree with the PP who said thinking it didn't magically make you a woman. If I decide I identify more with the Chinese, it doesn't change the fact that I'm white

Exactly. It's pretty ridiculous to claim otherwise.

So sorry, round eye. If I say I am Chinese, you must accept it.

http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/eeo1/qanda-implementation.cfm

13.Q: What should an employer do if it believes that an employee is of a different race or ethnicity than the employee claims to be?

A: The employer must accept the employee’s self-identification by race and by ethnicity. Self-identification is a basic principle underlying these changes to the EEO-1 report. See 70 Fed. Reg. 71296.

Oh fer chrissake you can't avoid noticing other people genitals in a locker room.

Dear God, I do my best to AVOID noticing other people's horrid bodies, but it is inescapable.

So why do we even have separate locker rooms anyway? Men and women can share the same locker room. You come in and you do your own things. Don't look at other people's genitals. Japan has mixed gender changing rooms and shower facilities for centuries. Sexual attacks are almost unheard of in these places. All places have administrative staff on site.

There are some really weird people look at locker rooms and bathrooms as some kind of 'Sacred Women's Spaces.'

I don't get this.

I get in, do my thing, and get out. I do not want to be hanging out naked or half naked talking to people. It's not a lounge.

I don't even understand how anyone would notice a transgender people. Who are all you looky-lu people? I don't look at others in a locker room. If you're spending time checking out people, then it strikes me that YOU are quite likely the problem, and not the transgender person.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry. If you have a penis, use the men's room. I don't give a crap what you "feel" like. If a business wants to invest in a third private changing area, more power to them, but imposing on the vast majority of conforming population is bullshit PC gone amok.

How often are you checking out the genitals of people in the bathroom or locker room? Do you always look at people's crotches? Gross.

Seriously. I live in San Francisco now and I am sure there are plenty of lesbian and transgender people sharing a locker room with me. Since I don't examine people's genitals in the locker room it's not an issue.

Also there have been zero instances of transgender individuals attacking people in locker rooms.

Anonymous wrote:My gym has a steam room and a sauna in the locker room. Many women sit in their naked on a towel. Is it o.k. for transgender people to sit naked in these rooms as well?

Ask your gym.