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Anonymous wrote:http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/02/13/what-its-like-to-take-a-common-core-test

What It's Like to Take a Common Core Test
I took a third-grade Common Core test, and it was kind of difficult.


In Ohio, which will be the first state to administer the PARCC exams next week, middle school teacher Jocelyn Weeda said the tests are developmentally inappropriate and is urging parents to opt their children out of taking the test, a local Fox affiliate reported.


"When you look at the reading levels they're way above where students are developmentally at that age," Weeda said after taking a practice test.

Why is a woman who finds a test for third graders to be difficult allowed to teach our children?

First of all, the quote from the story is a MIDDLE school teacher.

Second the overall story is from a reporter who found the third grade test difficult, EVEN for an adult.

I am a former journalist. It doesn't surprise me that someone in my former occupation would have difficulty passing a third-grade test.

BTW, there was a show in the air for a number of years entitled "ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A FIFTH GRADER" for good reason.

Ooooh, nice one-liner, former journalist. Except for I'm a current journalist, and I know what you are saying to be completely off-base.

I suppose the middle school teacher's opinion is without merit also.

Oh, come on. You know as well as I do that there's a large segment of the journalism population that will just print whatever anyone says uncritically. They will regurgitate press releases, etc.

I mean, journalism is a trade, not a profession. It's not like you need any special education to practice it. The proportion of really great reporters to really bad ones is really small.

The teacher's opinion is just that: An opinion. It's no more valid than mine. And, again, if the teacher found a 3rd grade test to be so difficult, perhaps the teacher shouldn't be teaching at all.

Again, your failure to comprehend: The JOURNALIST found the third grade test difficult. The MIDDLE SCHOOL teacher found the MIDDLE SCHOOL test to be developmentally inappropriate.

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The middle-school teacher is entitled to her opinion. But I'm not going to conclude that the PARCC tests are impossible and should be gotten rid of, based on this one middle-school teacher who took the third-grade test and reports that she found it difficult.

Do a little research. Parcc has not released a lot of information about the results of its tests last year. There are serious problems.

Damn straight there are problems. If the kids are failing these tests in large numbers, we have a problem with the way we're teaching them. Maybe that's what the teacher's unions are afraid of having exposed. All this misdirection about Pearson this and Pearson that. Give me a break.

Large numbers? PARCC is only being rolled out for the first time THIS YEAR. Yet you act as though it's already been tried and already failed.

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Anonymous wrote:15 pages in, and despite repeating it over and over, nobody has actually put any meat to the argument.

How SPECIFICALLY is it "developmentally inappropriate?" Nobody has yet answered that.

How SPECIFICALLY is it "hard even for an adult?"
Nobody has yet answered that.

I don't give anecdotal information a whole lot of credit, because yes, there are adults out there, even professionals and teachers who don't seem to be all that bright.

I took a sample test and the subject matter looks fine; but the kids do not yet have the computer skills to actually show what they know on the test. Our school is working hard at getting kids up to speed on using the computers, but our school doesn't have enough computers.

Psychometric analysis can identify questions that are poorly written, ambiguous, et cetera, to identify questions that need to be eliminated, revised, et cetera. Psychometric analysis can also detect cheating and quite a few other things based on test results. Normally what testing companies do is to work with a test item bank that is constantly being reviewed and updated by subject matter experts, and they fold the results of the analysis into their cut scores, they may exclude questions that are found to be invalid from scoring, et cetera. There's a whole lot more objective science and analysis that goes into standardized testing processes than you are probably even aware of. It's a lot more involved than anything a typical classroom teacher would ever be involved in.

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The middle-school teacher is entitled to her opinion. But I'm not going to conclude that the PARCC tests are impossible and should be gotten rid of, based on this one middle-school teacher who took the third-grade test and reports that she found it difficult.

Do a little research. Parcc has not released a lot of information about the results of its tests last year. There are serious problems.

Damn straight there are problems. If the kids are failing these tests in large numbers, we have a problem with the way we're teaching them. Maybe that's what the teacher's unions are afraid of having exposed. All this misdirection about Pearson this and Pearson that. Give me a break.

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/02/13/what-its-like-to-take-a-common-core-test

What It's Like to Take a Common Core Test
I took a third-grade Common Core test, and it was kind of difficult.


In Ohio, which will be the first state to administer the PARCC exams next week, middle school teacher Jocelyn Weeda said the tests are developmentally inappropriate and is urging parents to opt their children out of taking the test, a local Fox affiliate reported.


"When you look at the reading levels they're way above where students are developmentally at that age," Weeda said after taking a practice test.

Why is a woman who finds a test for third graders to be difficult allowed to teach our children?

First of all, the quote from the story is a MIDDLE school teacher.

Second the overall story is from a reporter who found the third grade test difficult, EVEN for an adult.

I am a former journalist. It doesn't surprise me that someone in my former occupation would have difficulty passing a third-grade test.

BTW, there was a show in the air for a number of years entitled "ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A FIFTH GRADER" for good reason.

Ooooh, nice one-liner, former journalist. Except for I'm a current journalist, and I know what you are saying to be completely off-base.

I suppose the middle school teacher's opinion is without merit also.

Oh, come on. You know as well as I do that there's a large segment of the journalism population that will just print whatever anyone says uncritically. They will regurgitate press releases, etc.

I mean, journalism is a trade, not a profession. It's not like you need any special education to practice it. The proportion of really great reporters to really bad ones is really small.

The teacher's opinion is just that: An opinion. It's no more valid than mine. And, again, if the teacher found a 3rd grade test to be so difficult, perhaps the teacher shouldn't be teaching at all.

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Ooooh, nice one-liner, former journalist. Except for I'm a current journalist, and I know what you are saying to be completely off-base.

I suppose the middle school teacher's opinion is without merit also.

The middle-school teacher is entitled to her opinion. But I'm not going to conclude that the PARCC tests are impossible and should be gotten rid of, based on this one middle-school teacher who took the third-grade test and reports that she found it difficult.

(I'm not the former-journalist PP.)

If you do any type of homework, you will see this types of reports all over, particularly from teachers who say the tests are far above the students' level and seemed designed to have the students fail.

But I supposed it's easier to just sing "Everything is Awesome" and continue linking to the bogus but official Common Core Standards happy talk site.

Ha! That's laughable. The CC info is a lot more robust, authoritative and legitimate than anything you've ever presented or linked to... Unless you can link to some authoritative, legitimate, bonafide studies, research, analysis, and info to refute anything that's been presented on the CC site (and thus far you've consistently failed to do so), you're going to have to grin and bear it because your own sources are far more bogus. http://www.corestandards.org/about-the-standards/

Anonymous wrote:15 pages in, and despite repeating it over and over, nobody has actually put any meat to the argument.

How SPECIFICALLY is it "developmentally inappropriate?" Nobody has yet answered that.

How SPECIFICALLY is it "hard even for an adult?"
Nobody has yet answered that.

I don't give anecdotal information a whole lot of credit, because yes, there are adults out there, even professionals and teachers who don't seem to be all that bright.

I took a sample test and the subject matter looks fine; but the kids do not yet have the computer skills to actually show what they know on the test. Our school is working hard at getting kids up to speed on using the computers, but our school doesn't have enough computers.

15 pages in, and despite repeating it over and over, nobody has actually put any meat to the argument.

How SPECIFICALLY is it "developmentally inappropriate?" Nobody has yet answered that.

How SPECIFICALLY is it "hard even for an adult?"
Nobody has yet answered that.

I don't give anecdotal information a whole lot of credit, because yes, there are adults out there, even professionals and teachers who don't seem to be all that bright.

Except the way we spend on education -- at the local level, pulling from property taxes -- allocates the funds inefficiently and unfairly, particularly as income inequality widens. If we allocated that same funding at the national level, distributed more evenly, we'd get better results.

Is there a movement to use the CC tests to prove that all education funding should be allocated at the national level? I know that some states have gone to allocation from the state level (as opposed to through local real estate taxes). I don't think it has made much of a difference in terms of student outcomes. In Minnesota a student can go to any school in the state (no boundaries) as a result of this policy. There may be other states doing this, but I'm not sure. Minnesota has not adopted the math CC.

The middle-school teacher is entitled to her opinion. But I'm not going to conclude that the PARCC tests are impossible and should be gotten rid of, based on this one middle-school teacher who took the third-grade test and reports that she found it difficult.

Do a little research. Parcc has not released a lot of information about the results of its tests last year. There are serious problems.

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Ooooh, nice one-liner, former journalist. Except for I'm a current journalist, and I know what you are saying to be completely off-base.

I suppose the middle school teacher's opinion is without merit also.

The middle-school teacher is entitled to her opinion. But I'm not going to conclude that the PARCC tests are impossible and should be gotten rid of, based on this one middle-school teacher who took the third-grade test and reports that she found it difficult.

(I'm not the former-journalist PP.)

If you do any type of homework, you will see this types of reports all over, particularly from teachers who say the tests are far above the students' level and seemed designed to have the students fail.

But I supposed it's easier to just sing "Everything is Awesome" and continue linking to the bogus but official Common Core Standards happy talk site.

Anonymous wrote:

Ooooh, nice one-liner, former journalist. Except for I'm a current journalist, and I know what you are saying to be completely off-base.

I suppose the middle school teacher's opinion is without merit also.

The middle-school teacher is entitled to her opinion. But I'm not going to conclude that the PARCC tests are impossible and should be gotten rid of, based on this one middle-school teacher who took the third-grade test and reports that she found it difficult.

(I'm not the former-journalist PP.)

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/02/13/what-its-like-to-take-a-common-core-test

What It's Like to Take a Common Core Test
I took a third-grade Common Core test, and it was kind of difficult.


In Ohio, which will be the first state to administer the PARCC exams next week, middle school teacher Jocelyn Weeda said the tests are developmentally inappropriate and is urging parents to opt their children out of taking the test, a local Fox affiliate reported.


"When you look at the reading levels they're way above where students are developmentally at that age," Weeda said after taking a practice test.

Why is a woman who finds a test for third graders to be difficult allowed to teach our children?

First of all, the quote from the story is a MIDDLE school teacher.

Second the overall story is from a reporter who found the third grade test difficult, EVEN for an adult.

I am a former journalist. It doesn't surprise me that someone in my former occupation would have difficulty passing a third-grade test.

BTW, there was a show in the air for a number of years entitled "ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A FIFTH GRADER" for good reason.

Ooooh, nice one-liner, former journalist. Except for I'm a current journalist, and I know what you are saying to be completely off-base.

I suppose the middle school teacher's opinion is without merit also.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/02/13/what-its-like-to-take-a-common-core-test

What It's Like to Take a Common Core Test
I took a third-grade Common Core test, and it was kind of difficult.


In Ohio, which will be the first state to administer the PARCC exams next week, middle school teacher Jocelyn Weeda said the tests are developmentally inappropriate and is urging parents to opt their children out of taking the test, a local Fox affiliate reported.


"When you look at the reading levels they're way above where students are developmentally at that age," Weeda said after taking a practice test.

Why is a woman who finds a test for third graders to be difficult allowed to teach our children?

First of all, the quote from the story is a MIDDLE school teacher.

Second the overall story is from a reporter who found the third grade test difficult, EVEN for an adult.

I am a former journalist. It doesn't surprise me that someone in my former occupation would have difficulty passing a third-grade test.

BTW, there was a show in the air for a number of years entitled "ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A FIFTH GRADER" for good reason.

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First of all, the quote from the story is a MIDDLE school teacher.

Second the overall story is from a reporter who found the third grade test difficult, EVEN for an adult.

LOL!And, the Common Core defender is mocking those against it as being unknowledgeable.

Yes, PP. The PARCC tests (which got field-tested last year) for third-graders are too difficult even for adults, and basically the world will come to an end this spring when the third-graders in the states that are using the PARCC tests have to take them. Or maybe it won't. Only time will tell.

Talk about having your head in the sand. There's a reason half the states have dropped out of PARCC.