Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 20:55     Subject: Israel disgusts me.

I liked to the gallop article; you linked to someone that interprets the gallop article, and leaves out the opinion on Hamas.
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 20:52     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.

Anonymous wrote:You cite such reliable unbisaed sources PP!


You have better poll data than the Gallup Poll?
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 20:50     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, because Answer is such an unbiased source!


The pictures speak for themselves.

As do the polls showing younger Americans strongly oppose Israeli policy.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/americas/13203-latest-gallup-poll-shows-young-americans-overwhelmingly-support-palestine

Soon only aging Baby Boomers will put up with the US allowing foreign policy and aid to be dictated by Israeli interests. Of course, even some of them will get fed up the more Netanyahu tells the US to shut up, but keep sending Israel money and missiles.


Actually, the pictures can be manipulated. As for the poll, it depends on how the question is asked. For example, an extreme majority do not think Hamas is justified.

42% think Israel is Justified; 39% unjustified; rest no opinion
11 % think Hamas is justified; 70% think it is unjustified; rest no opinion.

They do not break the Hamas question down by age.

They do show that people that follow the news closely are more likely to think Israel is justified.

I think if they had broken down the Hamas justified to the younger people, they would not think that Hamas is justified either.

The young are against war. They are idealists.

Link to gallop:http://www.gallup.com/poll/174110/americans-reaction-middle-east-situation-similar-past.aspx
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 20:42     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.

You cite such reliable unbisaed sources PP!
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 20:38     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, because Answer is such an unbiased source!


The pictures speak for themselves.

As do the polls showing younger Americans strongly oppose Israeli policy.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/americas/13203-latest-gallup-poll-shows-young-americans-overwhelmingly-support-palestine

Soon only aging Baby Boomers will put up with the US allowing foreign policy and aid to be dictated by Israeli interests. Of course, even some of them will get fed up the more Netanyahu tells the US to shut up, but keep sending Israel money and missiles.
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 20:30     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.

Yes, because Answer is such an unbiased source!
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 20:13     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.

There are amazing photo albums on this page demonstrating the depth of the opposition to Israeli occupation and genocide.

https://www.facebook.com/AnswerCoalition

People all over the world are really angry at Israel.
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 19:49     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Israel is committing genocide. It's only some Israelis and Americans who pretend otherwise.

Killing thousands of innocent civilians is unacceptable and Israel will play a heavy price for its actions. It is not the USA, so whatever the USA did in or to Iraq will not change the inevitable, complete isolation of Israel that is so appropriately starting to happen.


I would like to see the breakdown of the innocents to the militants. In addition, what percentage of the innocents were killed because Hamas used there location to launch from?


Hamas is firing from these locations on purpose- they know Israel will fire back, that civilians will be killed, and that the deaths will provoke outrage in Palestine, the Arab world, and beyond. They know that every time an Israeli attack kills civilians, more Palestinians will take up the fight. They're recruiting the next generation.
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 19:43     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.

Anonymous wrote:Israel is committing genocide. It's only some Israelis and Americans who pretend otherwise.

Killing thousands of innocent civilians is unacceptable and Israel will play a heavy price for its actions. It is not the USA, so whatever the USA did in or to Iraq will not change the inevitable, complete isolation of Israel that is so appropriately starting to happen.


I would like to see the breakdown of the innocents to the militants. In addition, what percentage of the innocents were killed because Hamas used there location to launch from?
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 19:39     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.

Anonymous wrote:Israel is committing genocide. It's only some Israelis and Americans who pretend otherwise.

Killing thousands of innocent civilians is unacceptable and Israel will play a heavy price for its actions. It is not the USA, so whatever the USA did in or to Iraq will not change the inevitable, complete isolation of Israel that is so appropriately starting to happen.



It was pride that changed angels into devils; it is humility that makes men as angels.

Saint Augustine

Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 19:31     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.

Israel is committing genocide. It's only some Israelis and Americans who pretend otherwise.

Killing thousands of innocent civilians is unacceptable and Israel will play a heavy price for its actions. It is not the USA, so whatever the USA did in or to Iraq will not change the inevitable, complete isolation of Israel that is so appropriately starting to happen.
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 18:02     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Turning this into a discussion of anti-Semitism is a diversion straight from the Israeli playbook. Israel would be a disgusting country regardless of the religion of its leaders, because it disregards international law more than any other country and murders civilians.

The narcissism of those who want to suggest that our major concern right now should be to nip a resurgence of anti-Semitism is the bud have their priorities very misplaced. Save the dying kids in Gaza first.




If 6 million of your people were systematically exterminated you would want to nip discrimination (in this case anti-semitism) in the bud too!


Add to this "but the children " cries. What the heck is Usrael supposed to do? Not fire back? Wait until those tunnels are used to attack and kill Israeli citizens? If people do not want to see innocents killed, ask Hamas why they fight the way they fight. The only excuse given is 'they have nowhere else to fire from'. Please.

Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 17:30     Subject: Israel disgusts me.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would add that I think Israel is failing "its people" and by that I mean both Israeli's and Jewish people all around the world in the tremendous antisemitism they are creating as a result of their barbaric actions.

It is immoral and incredibly irresponsible and it is the government of Israel that will have to ultimately bear responsibility for any backlash worldwide.
While the Israeli government will have to answer, I doubt in America that Jewish people will be fired from jobs, synagogues burnt to the ground, etc. I do anticipate and see the increase and so-called justification of anti-semitism has increased verbally in this area. I have seen and heard it. I have also witnessed up front tremendous support for Palestine which is welcomed.

This is what makes America great. The right to voice and be heard....as long as you keep your hands and anything else to yourself.


My assessment is that there's acute and increasing criticism of Israeli policy. I think many people have been unwilling to criticize Israel in the past for fear of being labelled anti-Semitic. I think for many people those days are over. Personally, I have not seen an increase in anti-Semitism around me, but maybe that's the company I keep. You mention that verbal anti-Semitism has increased in this area. Could you tell me what you've heard or offer a few examples?
Gladly. I have seen the glares and off-cuff remarks in a major grocery store. Who makes a curt remark over someone squeezing a melon? The absolute worse was recently on the graveyard shift, and one of the patient's absolutely refused to be treated by one of the Jewish physicians (identifiable by the name tag). I reluctantly took over but I'll be damned if you start that nonsense with me. If you want to criticize policy, that's acceptable to me but don't come into my workplace creating a hostile environment where our purpose is to heal. Take it elsewhere regardless of which side you're on.


I am the PP. Thanks for your reply. I understand your discomfort and agree that refusing treatment by a Jewish physician is disgusting. I guess I can only speak for myself. I am absolutely critical of Israeli policy without harboring ill-feelings toward Judaism or Jews. Likewise I harbor no ill-feelings toward Muslims because of the actions of Hamas or ISIS.
We share the same sentiment. However, as a member of an ethnic group whose members have historically been disenfranchised and persecuted simply because of skin color, I cringe when I hear or see discrimination of ANY ethnic group, nor will I be cajoled by anyone in 'choosing' sides.

Peace.
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 16:16     Subject: Israel disgusts me.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would add that I think Israel is failing "its people" and by that I mean both Israeli's and Jewish people all around the world in the tremendous antisemitism they are creating as a result of their barbaric actions.

It is immoral and incredibly irresponsible and it is the government of Israel that will have to ultimately bear responsibility for any backlash worldwide.
While the Israeli government will have to answer, I doubt in America that Jewish people will be fired from jobs, synagogues burnt to the ground, etc. I do anticipate and see the increase and so-called justification of anti-semitism has increased verbally in this area. I have seen and heard it. I have also witnessed up front tremendous support for Palestine which is welcomed.

This is what makes America great. The right to voice and be heard....as long as you keep your hands and anything else to yourself.


My assessment is that there's acute and increasing criticism of Israeli policy. I think many people have been unwilling to criticize Israel in the past for fear of being labelled anti-Semitic. I think for many people those days are over. Personally, I have not seen an increase in anti-Semitism around me, but maybe that's the company I keep. You mention that verbal anti-Semitism has increased in this area. Could you tell me what you've heard or offer a few examples?
Gladly. I have seen the glares and off-cuff remarks in a major grocery store. Who makes a curt remark over someone squeezing a melon? The absolute worse was recently on the graveyard shift, and one of the patient's absolutely refused to be treated by one of the Jewish physicians (identifiable by the name tag). I reluctantly took over but I'll be damned if you start that nonsense with me. If you want to criticize policy, that's acceptable to me but don't come into my workplace creating a hostile environment where our purpose is to heal. Take it elsewhere regardless of which side you're on.


I am the PP. Thanks for your reply. I understand your discomfort and agree that refusing treatment by a Jewish physician is disgusting. I guess I can only speak for myself. I am absolutely critical of Israeli policy without harboring ill-feelings toward Judaism or Jews. Likewise I harbor no ill-feelings toward Muslims because of the actions of Hamas or ISIS.
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2014 16:15     Subject: Israel disgusts me.

Anonymous wrote:Palestinans should move to Jordan. The fact is that Israel gives more opportunity for Israeli Arabs that any nation in the Middle East. Why have no other Arab countries spoken out against Israel during this entire war? Because they know that Hamas is a terrorist organization and that the Palestinan people all support Hamas, whose sole mission is the destruction of Israel and the death of every Jew. The IDF should not stop destroying the entire Gaza territory.


That's like saying why don't we give Mexicans a place to live? They are North Americans, they share our Christian heritage. Yet conservatives don't exactly feel like it is our responsibility.

Palestine wants its own land, the land it lived on for centuries, not someone else's land. They want their government, not someone else's monarchy.