Anonymous wrote:Here's the bottom line:

Christians are going to do this. You can get upset about it or you can ignore it. Your choice. The Christians are going to ignore you and do what they want. You can play "Ain't it awful?" all you like, but it isn't going to change anything.

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Anonymous wrote:I just have to say, based on the recent back and forth between Jews arguing about what is and is not common Jewish practice, that you should all probably just worry about your own religious life and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing.

Yeah. Because Christians NEVER debate Christianity. I mean, there is only one form of Christianity, right? One definition of the Trinity, one Gospel, one way of thinking about faith vs. acts or the Elect and how to get to heaven, and of course Catholics and Protestants are buddies, and Baptists too, and there are no splinter sects at all. And everybody loves the Eastern Orthodox, and Mormons.

Shut it, buddy. I mean really. You have some nerve criticizing us. Get your own house in order.

Anonymous wrote:I just have to say, based on the recent back and forth between Jews arguing about what is and is not common Jewish practice, that you should all probably just worry about your own religious life and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, where are you? You've received some thoughtful responses and it's disheartening to have someone begin a thread like this and then refuse to engage. Were you looking to vent or honestly asking a question?

Actually, I think I've received some incredibly hostile responses and I don't want to continue in that tradition. I was hoping to start a thoughtful dialogue but "You are icky" isn't what I'm looking for. Sorry.

Anonymous wrote:Messianic Jews and Jews for Jesus only minister to Jews, and they are run by former jews, so in a way that is a form of 'new' judaism.
They are not protestant or catholic. Christians who are not jewish are pressured to practice a form of Judaism if they were to join them.

I am OK with some aspects of 'ancient' judaism being mentioned in church, to understand the times that the bible was written and get a better picture of the context. Other than that I do not see what the fascination is.

I do not understand why some jews would find this a sensitive subject. Judaism is based on your mother being jewish.

Anonymous wrote:I saw a few questions earlier in the thread that I am not sure were answered, so here's my experience.

I'm Christian, and my church hosted a seder which I attended a few years ago. They did it again last night but I didn't attend.

Both times, it's been led by a Rabbi who is a Messianic Jew, thus he's culturally Jewish but also believes Jesus is the Messiah. I am fairly certain when I attended that the Rabbi leader was also the Rabbi for a local Messianic Jewish congregation. My church would never attempt to host a seder on their own without a Rabbi to lead it.

When I went a few years ago, the focus was on explaining the ritual, symbolism, and meaning behind all that is involved so that we, as Christians, could better understand Christ and the Jewish practices of the first century when he lived. It also greatly enriched my understanding of the Old Testament. It was done most respectfully, but I have no idea if it was done in a more "old way" vs. "modern" way.

I hope that helps.

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Anonymous wrote:Jewish poster here: I haven't seen the signs the OP is speaking about but it would bother me as well. I do not believe a non-Jew can cook and run a seder as well as a Jewish person can. However, for me, a huge part of Passover is the cultural aspect of it, which probably adds to my first-stated belief. I'm 38. I've been to over 70 seders in my life. It's about family and culture and rituals and religion. To make it about Jesus is preposterous and insulting. Passover is NOT about Jesus. It may have been his last supper, but Passover was not because of or about him. That's why I find it insulting to me, as a Jewish person, for a church to have a seder.

If you are not Jewish and want to learn about Passover, about a seder, then come to my seder. Get yourself invited to a real seder, one run by a Jewish family, in a Jewish home, by someone who's been doing this for decades, who has learned how to run a seder from his and her parents.

So, you're orthodox? and you do first and second night? in which case, why'd you miss 6? and who counts things that way? Who says: i've had 38 Succoths, beat that, goyim! I'm just saying...but good for you, keepin' it kosher er, real and all.

Huh? what about this person in ANY WAY suggests that she is Orthodox??? There is a poster on here who keeps claiming various Jewish posters must be Orthodox...which is totally weird. I hate to break it to you, but very few Orthodox Jewish posters would be spending time on DCUM during PASSOVER, idiot!

Wow. Idiot huh? There is no prohibition against using technology during Passover. It isn't shabbos.

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Anonymous wrote:Jewish poster here: I haven't seen the signs the OP is speaking about but it would bother me as well. I do not believe a non-Jew can cook and run a seder as well as a Jewish person can. However, for me, a huge part of Passover is the cultural aspect of it, which probably adds to my first-stated belief. I'm 38. I've been to over 70 seders in my life. It's about family and culture and rituals and religion. To make it about Jesus is preposterous and insulting. Passover is NOT about Jesus. It may have been his last supper, but Passover was not because of or about him. That's why I find it insulting to me, as a Jewish person, for a church to have a seder.

If you are not Jewish and want to learn about Passover, about a seder, then come to my seder. Get yourself invited to a real seder, one run by a Jewish family, in a Jewish home, by someone who's been doing this for decades, who has learned how to run a seder from his and her parents.

So, you're orthodox? and you do first and second night? in which case, why'd you miss 6? and who counts things that way? Who says: i've had 38 Succoths, beat that, goyim! I'm just saying...but good for you, keepin' it kosher er, real and all.

Huh? what about this person in ANY WAY suggests that she is Orthodox??? There is a poster on here who keeps claiming various Jewish posters must be Orthodox...which is totally weird. I hate to break it to you, but very few Orthodox Jewish posters would be spending time on DCUM during PASSOVER, idiot!

Are you even Jewish?? The first two days and last two days of Passover are (no-work) holidays treated the same as Shabbat.

Wow. Idiot huh? There is no prohibition against using technology during Passover. It isn't shabbos.

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Anonymous wrote:Jewish poster here: I haven't seen the signs the OP is speaking about but it would bother me as well. I do not believe a non-Jew can cook and run a seder as well as a Jewish person can. However, for me, a huge part of Passover is the cultural aspect of it, which probably adds to my first-stated belief. I'm 38. I've been to over 70 seders in my life. It's about family and culture and rituals and religion. To make it about Jesus is preposterous and insulting. Passover is NOT about Jesus. It may have been his last supper, but Passover was not because of or about him. That's why I find it insulting to me, as a Jewish person, for a church to have a seder.

If you are not Jewish and want to learn about Passover, about a seder, then come to my seder. Get yourself invited to a real seder, one run by a Jewish family, in a Jewish home, by someone who's been doing this for decades, who has learned how to run a seder from his and her parents.

So, you're orthodox? and you do first and second night? in which case, why'd you miss 6? and who counts things that way? Who says: i've had 38 Succoths, beat that, goyim! I'm just saying...but good for you, keepin' it kosher er, real and all.

Huh? what about this person in ANY WAY suggests that she is Orthodox??? There is a poster on here who keeps claiming various Jewish posters must be Orthodox...which is totally weird. I hate to break it to you, but very few Orthodox Jewish posters would be spending time on DCUM during PASSOVER, idiot!

OK. The PP said she is 38 years old. Passover comes ONCE A YEAR. Orthodox Jews observe first and second night of Passover. It would be mathematically impossible for her to have attended more than one Seder a year unless she went to 2 in one day. Crazy.