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Anonymous wrote:If DCPS supposedly has it so much better, why not just go to DCPS? You have the right.

How about just not discriminating against some children? Is that really so much to ask?

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Anonymous wrote:If DCPS supposedly has it so much better, why not just go to DCPS? You have the right.

How about just not discriminating against some children? Is that really so much to ask?

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Anonymous wrote:The argument that the teacher's union bargained for their bonuses and the charter schools shouldn't benefit is not really a fair argument. The union bargained the bonuses, but not with council on the overall budget. The school system needs to account for those bonuses in their overall budget. The charter schools by law are to get equal funding. It doesn't matter if the teachers union bargained for a benefit. What matters is that the funding between DCPS and the charters schools is the same. If DCPS is giving bonuses, that is up to them. The charter schools should get the same increase by law and may opt to use it for bonuses, raises or something like a new HVAC.

So DCPS teacher should spend significant dues and time to negotiate a raise for the charter teachers?

That's not persuasive either.

You don't seem to understand how markets work. The prevailing rate is the prevailing rate, and it doesn't matter how it became the prevailing rate.

Er, I don't think you know what a market is. You are talking about city government allocating funds between different programs and departments. Budget allocation is *not* a market.

The rate/price/salary is what buyers and sellers agree to. And when sellers -- or buyers -- consolidate, they have more bargaining power.

Because of the existence of the teachers union, the market for public school teachers is cloven from the market for charter school teachers. Although the supply for new teachers for both markets draws from the same pool, the employers are operating under different market dynamics. Therefore, the prevailing market price in the 2 markets is not the same.

Except when one market chooses to match the other. Then they are literally "THE SAME".

AI slop for sure.

So the charter schools have collectively chosen to match DCPS salaries?

Tell me you don't have a clue how charters work without telling me.

There is no "collective" Every charter school (or group of charters) is its own LEA. DCPS is an LEA. Each LEA operates independently, making budget and salary determinations as its own LEA.

I'm the immediate PP. You're expressing frustration with the wrong person. It was the PP who I posed my question to that is confused.

She thinks that charter school teachers should get the same pay what the WTU negotiates for DCPS teachers because it is all one big DC budget.

But you can't just "match" salaries without matching the work conditions and requirements. And then a charter school would no longer be exercising the freedom they have to not run the school the way they think is best.

The situation is very complex, which is why figuring out fair allocations between sectors is complicated.

There was never any deal in which charters agreed to take less money in exchange for more freedom. Charters were set up by Congress to set a separate system because people believed DCPS wasn't doing its job. They're supposed to be equally funded.

Of course not.

But there's still no clear analysis her showing that DCPCS are under-funded. Just a lot of complaints about poor DC decisions to build a handful of monument schools a few years back. We'e got complaints that the teachers are paid less, but that dynamic is not an issue of the funding, at least not directly. We've got a debate about comparative quality of facilities and who has it worse. We've got a little discussion of how DCPS gets funded for programs its required to implement that DCPCSs aren't. Lots of confusion; little clarity.

The math is the math. DCPS schools are way better funded because of the way facilities are excluded from budgeting. Weird that you don't grasp that simple point.

Anonymous wrote:If DCPS supposedly has it so much better, why not just go to DCPS? You have the right.

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Anonymous wrote:The argument that the teacher's union bargained for their bonuses and the charter schools shouldn't benefit is not really a fair argument. The union bargained the bonuses, but not with council on the overall budget. The school system needs to account for those bonuses in their overall budget. The charter schools by law are to get equal funding. It doesn't matter if the teachers union bargained for a benefit. What matters is that the funding between DCPS and the charters schools is the same. If DCPS is giving bonuses, that is up to them. The charter schools should get the same increase by law and may opt to use it for bonuses, raises or something like a new HVAC.

So DCPS teacher should spend significant dues and time to negotiate a raise for the charter teachers?

That's not persuasive either.

You don't seem to understand how markets work. The prevailing rate is the prevailing rate, and it doesn't matter how it became the prevailing rate.

Er, I don't think you know what a market is. You are talking about city government allocating funds between different programs and departments. Budget allocation is *not* a market.

The rate/price/salary is what buyers and sellers agree to. And when sellers -- or buyers -- consolidate, they have more bargaining power.

Because of the existence of the teachers union, the market for public school teachers is cloven from the market for charter school teachers. Although the supply for new teachers for both markets draws from the same pool, the employers are operating under different market dynamics. Therefore, the prevailing market price in the 2 markets is not the same.

Except when one market chooses to match the other. Then they are literally "THE SAME".

AI slop for sure.

So the charter schools have collectively chosen to match DCPS salaries?

Tell me you don't have a clue how charters work without telling me.

There is no "collective" Every charter school (or group of charters) is its own LEA. DCPS is an LEA. Each LEA operates independently, making budget and salary determinations as its own LEA.

I'm the immediate PP. You're expressing frustration with the wrong person. It was the PP who I posed my question to that is confused.

She thinks that charter school teachers should get the same pay what the WTU negotiates for DCPS teachers because it is all one big DC budget.

But you can't just "match" salaries without matching the work conditions and requirements. And then a charter school would no longer be exercising the freedom they have to not run the school the way they think is best.

The situation is very complex, which is why figuring out fair allocations between sectors is complicated.

There was never any deal in which charters agreed to take less money in exchange for more freedom. Charters were set up by Congress to set a separate system because people believed DCPS wasn't doing its job. They're supposed to be equally funded.

Of course not.

But there's still no clear analysis her showing that DCPCS are under-funded. Just a lot of complaints about poor DC decisions to build a handful of monument schools a few years back. We'e got complaints that the teachers are paid less, but that dynamic is not an issue of the funding, at least not directly. We've got a debate about comparative quality of facilities and who has it worse. We've got a little discussion of how DCPS gets funded for programs its required to implement that DCPCSs aren't. Lots of confusion; little clarity.

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Anonymous wrote:The argument that the teacher's union bargained for their bonuses and the charter schools shouldn't benefit is not really a fair argument. The union bargained the bonuses, but not with council on the overall budget. The school system needs to account for those bonuses in their overall budget. The charter schools by law are to get equal funding. It doesn't matter if the teachers union bargained for a benefit. What matters is that the funding between DCPS and the charters schools is the same. If DCPS is giving bonuses, that is up to them. The charter schools should get the same increase by law and may opt to use it for bonuses, raises or something like a new HVAC.

So DCPS teacher should spend significant dues and time to negotiate a raise for the charter teachers?

That's not persuasive either.

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Anonymous wrote:The argument that the teacher's union bargained for their bonuses and the charter schools shouldn't benefit is not really a fair argument. The union bargained the bonuses, but not with council on the overall budget. The school system needs to account for those bonuses in their overall budget. The charter schools by law are to get equal funding. It doesn't matter if the teachers union bargained for a benefit. What matters is that the funding between DCPS and the charters schools is the same. If DCPS is giving bonuses, that is up to them. The charter schools should get the same increase by law and may opt to use it for bonuses, raises or something like a new HVAC.

So DCPS teacher should spend significant dues and time to negotiate a raise for the charter teachers?

That's not persuasive either.

You don't seem to understand how markets work. The prevailing rate is the prevailing rate, and it doesn't matter how it became the prevailing rate.

Er, I don't think you know what a market is. You are talking about city government allocating funds between different programs and departments. Budget allocation is *not* a market.

The rate/price/salary is what buyers and sellers agree to. And when sellers -- or buyers -- consolidate, they have more bargaining power.

Because of the existence of the teachers union, the market for public school teachers is cloven from the market for charter school teachers. Although the supply for new teachers for both markets draws from the same pool, the employers are operating under different market dynamics. Therefore, the prevailing market price in the 2 markets is not the same.

Except when one market chooses to match the other. Then they are literally "THE SAME".

AI slop for sure.

So the charter schools have collectively chosen to match DCPS salaries?

Tell me you don't have a clue how charters work without telling me.

There is no "collective" Every charter school (or group of charters) is its own LEA. DCPS is an LEA. Each LEA operates independently, making budget and salary determinations as its own LEA.

I'm the immediate PP. You're expressing frustration with the wrong person. It was the PP who I posed my question to that is confused.

She thinks that charter school teachers should get the same pay what the WTU negotiates for DCPS teachers because it is all one big DC budget.

But you can't just "match" salaries without matching the work conditions and requirements. And then a charter school would no longer be exercising the freedom they have to not run the school the way they think is best.

The situation is very complex, which is why figuring out fair allocations between sectors is complicated.

There was never any deal in which charters agreed to take less money in exchange for more freedom. Charters were set up by Congress to set a separate system because people believed DCPS wasn't doing its job. They're supposed to be equally funded.

Of course not.

But there's still no clear analysis her showing that DCPCS are under-funded. Just a lot of complaints about poor DC decisions to build a handful of monument schools a few years back. We'e got complaints that the teachers are paid less, but that dynamic is not an issue of the funding, at least not directly. We've got a debate about comparative quality of facilities and who has it worse. We've got a little discussion of how DCPS gets funded for programs its required to implement that DCPCSs aren't. Lots of confusion; little clarity.

The math is the math. DCPS schools are way better funded because of the way facilities are excluded from budgeting. Weird that you don't grasp that simple point.

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Anonymous wrote:The argument that the teacher's union bargained for their bonuses and the charter schools shouldn't benefit is not really a fair argument. The union bargained the bonuses, but not with council on the overall budget. The school system needs to account for those bonuses in their overall budget. The charter schools by law are to get equal funding. It doesn't matter if the teachers union bargained for a benefit. What matters is that the funding between DCPS and the charters schools is the same. If DCPS is giving bonuses, that is up to them. The charter schools should get the same increase by law and may opt to use it for bonuses, raises or something like a new HVAC.

So DCPS teacher should spend significant dues and time to negotiate a raise for the charter teachers?

That's not persuasive either.

You don't seem to understand how markets work. The prevailing rate is the prevailing rate, and it doesn't matter how it became the prevailing rate.

Er, I don't think you know what a market is. You are talking about city government allocating funds between different programs and departments. Budget allocation is *not* a market.

The rate/price/salary is what buyers and sellers agree to. And when sellers -- or buyers -- consolidate, they have more bargaining power.

Because of the existence of the teachers union, the market for public school teachers is cloven from the market for charter school teachers. Although the supply for new teachers for both markets draws from the same pool, the employers are operating under different market dynamics. Therefore, the prevailing market price in the 2 markets is not the same.

Except when one market chooses to match the other. Then they are literally "THE SAME".

AI slop for sure.

So the charter schools have collectively chosen to match DCPS salaries?

Tell me you don't have a clue how charters work without telling me.

There is no "collective" Every charter school (or group of charters) is its own LEA. DCPS is an LEA. Each LEA operates independently, making budget and salary determinations as its own LEA.

I'm the immediate PP. You're expressing frustration with the wrong person. It was the PP who I posed my question to that is confused.

She thinks that charter school teachers should get the same pay what the WTU negotiates for DCPS teachers because it is all one big DC budget.

But you can't just "match" salaries without matching the work conditions and requirements. And then a charter school would no longer be exercising the freedom they have to not run the school the way they think is best.

The situation is very complex, which is why figuring out fair allocations between sectors is complicated.

There was never any deal in which charters agreed to take less money in exchange for more freedom. Charters were set up by Congress to set a separate system because people believed DCPS wasn't doing its job. They're supposed to be equally funded.

Of course not.

But there's still no clear analysis her showing that DCPCS are under-funded. Just a lot of complaints about poor DC decisions to build a handful of monument schools a few years back. We'e got complaints that the teachers are paid less, but that dynamic is not an issue of the funding, at least not directly. We've got a debate about comparative quality of facilities and who has it worse. We've got a little discussion of how DCPS gets funded for programs its required to implement that DCPCSs aren't. Lots of confusion; little clarity.

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Anonymous wrote:The argument that the teacher's union bargained for their bonuses and the charter schools shouldn't benefit is not really a fair argument. The union bargained the bonuses, but not with council on the overall budget. The school system needs to account for those bonuses in their overall budget. The charter schools by law are to get equal funding. It doesn't matter if the teachers union bargained for a benefit. What matters is that the funding between DCPS and the charters schools is the same. If DCPS is giving bonuses, that is up to them. The charter schools should get the same increase by law and may opt to use it for bonuses, raises or something like a new HVAC.

So DCPS teacher should spend significant dues and time to negotiate a raise for the charter teachers?

That's not persuasive either.

You don't seem to understand how markets work. The prevailing rate is the prevailing rate, and it doesn't matter how it became the prevailing rate.

Er, I don't think you know what a market is. You are talking about city government allocating funds between different programs and departments. Budget allocation is *not* a market.

The rate/price/salary is what buyers and sellers agree to. And when sellers -- or buyers -- consolidate, they have more bargaining power.

Because of the existence of the teachers union, the market for public school teachers is cloven from the market for charter school teachers. Although the supply for new teachers for both markets draws from the same pool, the employers are operating under different market dynamics. Therefore, the prevailing market price in the 2 markets is not the same.

Except when one market chooses to match the other. Then they are literally "THE SAME".

AI slop for sure.

So the charter schools have collectively chosen to match DCPS salaries?

Tell me you don't have a clue how charters work without telling me.

There is no "collective" Every charter school (or group of charters) is its own LEA. DCPS is an LEA. Each LEA operates independently, making budget and salary determinations as its own LEA.

I'm the immediate PP. You're expressing frustration with the wrong person. It was the PP who I posed my question to that is confused.

She thinks that charter school teachers should get the same pay what the WTU negotiates for DCPS teachers because it is all one big DC budget.

But you can't just "match" salaries without matching the work conditions and requirements. And then a charter school would no longer be exercising the freedom they have to not run the school the way they think is best.

The situation is very complex, which is why figuring out fair allocations between sectors is complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The argument that the teacher's union bargained for their bonuses and the charter schools shouldn't benefit is not really a fair argument. The union bargained the bonuses, but not with council on the overall budget. The school system needs to account for those bonuses in their overall budget. The charter schools by law are to get equal funding. It doesn't matter if the teachers union bargained for a benefit. What matters is that the funding between DCPS and the charters schools is the same. If DCPS is giving bonuses, that is up to them. The charter schools should get the same increase by law and may opt to use it for bonuses, raises or something like a new HVAC.

So DCPS teacher should spend significant dues and time to negotiate a raise for the charter teachers?

That's not persuasive either.

You don't seem to understand how markets work. The prevailing rate is the prevailing rate, and it doesn't matter how it became the prevailing rate.

Er, I don't think you know what a market is. You are talking about city government allocating funds between different programs and departments. Budget allocation is *not* a market.

The rate/price/salary is what buyers and sellers agree to. And when sellers -- or buyers -- consolidate, they have more bargaining power.

Because of the existence of the teachers union, the market for public school teachers is cloven from the market for charter school teachers. Although the supply for new teachers for both markets draws from the same pool, the employers are operating under different market dynamics. Therefore, the prevailing market price in the 2 markets is not the same.

Except when one market chooses to match the other. Then they are literally "THE SAME".

AI slop for sure.

So the charter schools have collectively chosen to match DCPS salaries?

Tell me you don't have a clue how charters work without telling me.

There is no "collective" Every charter school (or group of charters) is its own LEA. DCPS is an LEA. Each LEA operates independently, making budget and salary determinations as its own LEA.

I'm the immediate PP. You're expressing frustration with the wrong person. It was the PP who I posed my question to that is confused.

She thinks that charter school teachers should get the same pay what the WTU negotiates for DCPS teachers because it is all one big DC budget.

But you can't just "match" salaries without matching the work conditions and requirements. And then a charter school would no longer be exercising the freedom they have to not run the school the way they think is best.

The situation is very complex, which is why figuring out fair allocations between sectors is complicated.

There was never any deal in which charters agreed to take less money in exchange for more freedom. Charters were set up by Congress to set a separate system because people believed DCPS wasn't doing its job. They're supposed to be equally funded.

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Anonymous wrote:An unpopular opinion for DCUM- if the charters were properly funded the better ones would blow DCPS out of the water. So many struggle under the costs of facilities and teacher turn over from low salaries. If Charters had money to solve those problems the middling to good ones could be amazing.

+1 on this.

Also, Coolidge has a lot larger and better facilities than DCI which holds around the same number of high schoolers. Sports facilities in particular. DCI could have used the space next to it for a much-needed sports field, but townhouses are going up instead. Now the school is battling neighbors to try to use a nearby park for athletics. The charter schools can't just easily move and buy new buildings left and right, and they aren't provided with enough funds to truly utilize public and DC-owned space like Walter Reed. Meanwhile, there is no way that DCPS could serve all the kids currently in charters - if all of DCI changed to Coolidge overnight, for example.

DCI is approximately the same square footage as Anacostia High School, except DCI has 1,700 students and Anacostia has 250, and Anacostia High School is much, much nicer.

https://washingtonian.com/2014/02/03/anacostia-high-school-renovation-snags-design-award/

This is kinda bonkers. Anacostia High School is 247,000 square feet. That's much, much, MUCH bigger than a Walmart. How do 250 kids occupy 247,000 square feet?

Same story with Ballou. It's 350,000 square feet and has fewer than 600 students. The renovation is gorgeous.