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^^The process of transfer requires finding an open bed and an accepting provider who agrees escalation of care is warranted. How were they supposed to make that case to 1) take a slot other children might need, and 2) justify to insurance to cover transfer without established medical need, and 3) justify to transport teams -- who have limited spots, and must triage transport slots -- to put him in the queue, which is always busy?

That's how this works. You can't just say, "hey, there is this irritable kid here with measles (by the way, they are all irritable), but there was no indication of inflammation in the spinal fluid, and his MRI doesn't show brain tissue or meninges affected yet, but, you know, let's put him in the PICU, eh? Let's do a transport, which comes with significant risks just on its own, for every kid with measles. That's not going to make anything worse for the kids waiting for transport with -- I don't know, head injuries or internal bleeding from motor vehicle crashes, or the neonates on the clock needing exchange transfusion to prevent kernicterus, or the four-year-old with ALL and a white count over 100,000 just waiting to go into tumor lysis syndrome, or a dozen other sicker kids. No, THIS one with the normal LP and MRI, who is walking and drinking water, yeah, he should get that slot."

On what grounds again, exactly? Make the case. Those doctors sure would have had to do so.

“After getting a rash in the days that followed, his appetite diminished and he grew weak to the point where he could no longer stand up by himself. He began to fade in and out of consciousness.” He was screaming and not himself.

“If all they're doing is antibiotics, maybe he'll be more comfortable at home, and we don't have to put him through this,” his mom said, explaining her thought process, and encouraged by the fact that Ethan appeared to have regained some strength; he could drink water by himself and walk a short distance to the bathroom.

Maybe he would still be in the same situation but maybe he would have had a better outcome. It doesn”t matter if kids have idiots as parents, they still are entitled to care.

Anonymous wrote:
^^The process of transfer requires finding an open bed and an accepting provider who agrees escalation of care is warranted. How were they supposed to make that case to 1) take a slot other children might need, and 2) justify to insurance to cover transfer without established medical need, and 3) justify to transport teams -- who have limited spots, and must triage transport slots -- to put him in the queue, which is always busy?

That's how this works. You can't just say, "hey, there is this irritable kid here with measles (by the way, they are all irritable), but there was no indication of inflammation in the spinal fluid, and his MRI doesn't show brain tissue or meninges affected yet, but, you know, let's put him in the PICU, eh? Let's do a transport, which comes with significant risks just on its own, for every kid with measles. That's not going to make anything worse for the kids waiting for transport with -- I don't know, head injuries or internal bleeding from motor vehicle crashes, or the neonates on the clock needing exchange transfusion to prevent kernicterus, or the four-year-old with ALL and a white count over 100,000 just waiting to go into tumor lysis syndrome, or a dozen other sicker kids. No, THIS one with the normal LP and MRI, who is walking and drinking water, yeah, he should get that slot."

On what grounds again, exactly? Make the case. Those doctors sure would have had to do so.

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I think there is this general expectation that if you refuse to vaccinate, and your child gets sick, then the professionals can just fix it.

But they can't always -- once your child gets measles, or diphtheria, or pertussis, everyone is already behind the eight ball with you. They are guessing and running and struggling, and doing the things they hope will work, but no guarantees.

That is why there are vaccinations for these illnesses. No intervention is as safe or effective as the vaccine that prevents your child from getting as sick as without it.

Anonymous wrote:
I think there is this general expectation that if you refuse to vaccinate, and your child gets sick, then the professionals can just fix it.

But they can't always -- once your child gets measles, or diphtheria, or pertussis, everyone is already behind the eight ball with you. They are guessing and running and struggling, and doing the things they hope will work, but no guarantees.

That is why there are vaccinations for these illnesses. No intervention is as safe or effective as the vaccine that prevents your child from getting as sick as without it.

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Children with measles usually aren't hospitalized. About 1 in 5 people with measles are hospitalized.

If he wasn't sick enough to be hospitalized, that was because there was nothing to be treated. Unfortunately, the hospital CANNOT explain the details of the case because of HIPAA, although the family is free to say whatever they want. Take anything you read about details in that context.

Measles is a virus. The most common reason to need antibiotics would be a secondary bacterial pneumonia, which happens in 1 of 20 cases. The parents would still be able to take him home against medical advice, though, if they chose to. Whether or not he continued to get sicker is a matter of rolling the odds.

Of course, we have it on good authority from another DCUM poster that bad things don't happen with measles infection because we now have modern plumbing, so, there's that.

Children who gave measles who are showing signs of encephalitis should be transferred to a larger hospital’s PICU. This was not done.

The mother is a moron but at the same time the medical care he got doesn’t sound like it was sufficient. Since so many kids are going unvaccinated doctor’s need to be aware how to treat encephalitis when kids with measles develop it.

Ideally everyone would be vaccinated. But kids are the one paying the price for their idiotic parents. They deserve to get medical care

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Children with measles usually aren't hospitalized. About 1 in 5 people with measles are hospitalized.

If he wasn't sick enough to be hospitalized, that was because there was nothing to be treated. Unfortunately, the hospital CANNOT explain the details of the case because of HIPAA, although the family is free to say whatever they want. Take anything you read about details in that context.

Measles is a virus. The most common reason to need antibiotics would be a secondary bacterial pneumonia, which happens in 1 of 20 cases. The parents would still be able to take him home against medical advice, though, if they chose to. Whether or not he continued to get sicker is a matter of rolling the odds.

Of course, we have it on good authority from another DCUM poster that bad things don't happen with measles infection because we now have modern plumbing, so, there's that.

Children who gave measles who are showing signs of encephalitis should be transferred to a larger hospital’s PICU. This was not done.

The mother is a moron but at the same time the medical care he got doesn’t sound like it was sufficient. Since so many kids are going unvaccinated doctor’s need to be aware how to treat encephalitis when kids with measles develop it.

Ideally everyone would be vaccinated. But kids are the one paying the price for their idiotic parents. They deserve to get medical care

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Children with measles usually aren't hospitalized. About 1 in 5 people with measles are hospitalized.

If he wasn't sick enough to be hospitalized, that was because there was nothing to be treated. Unfortunately, the hospital CANNOT explain the details of the case because of HIPAA, although the family is free to say whatever they want. Take anything you read about details in that context.

Measles is a virus. The most common reason to need antibiotics would be a secondary bacterial pneumonia, which happens in 1 of 20 cases. The parents would still be able to take him home against medical advice, though, if they chose to. Whether or not he continued to get sicker is a matter of rolling the odds.

Of course, we have it on good authority from another DCUM poster that bad things don't happen with measles infection because we now have modern plumbing, so, there's that.

Children who gave measles who are showing signs of encephalitis should be transferred to a larger hospital’s PICU. This was not done.

The mother is a moron but at the same time the medical care he got doesn’t sound like it was sufficient. Since so many kids are going unvaccinated doctor’s need to be aware how to treat encephalitis when kids with measles develop it.

Ideally everyone would be vaccinated. But kids are the one paying the price for their idiotic parents. They deserve to get medical care

Ethan’s parents took him to the emergency room at Spartanburg Medical Center, where he was admitted overnight and put on antibiotics. Doctors at the hospital told the parents their son could be suffering from measles encephalitis, but they couldn’t be sure until they ran further tests the next day.

However, an MRI and spinal tap— a procedure that can diagnose conditions that affect the brain— did not give any indication of swelling or inflammation, the parents said. “He got the MRI in the morning, and it came back clean,” said Kristina.

Anonymous wrote:
Children with measles usually aren't hospitalized. About 1 in 5 people with measles are hospitalized.

If he wasn't sick enough to be hospitalized, that was because there was nothing to be treated. Unfortunately, the hospital CANNOT explain the details of the case because of HIPAA, although the family is free to say whatever they want. Take anything you read about details in that context.

Measles is a virus. The most common reason to need antibiotics would be a secondary bacterial pneumonia, which happens in 1 of 20 cases. The parents would still be able to take him home against medical advice, though, if they chose to. Whether or not he continued to get sicker is a matter of rolling the odds.

Of course, we have it on good authority from another DCUM poster that bad things don't happen with measles infection because we now have modern plumbing, so, there's that.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Mom of the year

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/measles-encephalitis-south-carolina-anti-vaccine-b2918500.html

‘I still wouldn’t have given my son the vaccine’

This kid is 1000% on Medicaid as neither parent works.

And this is easily a million dollar hospital stay as this kid is getting all sorts of expensive stuff in that ICU (plasma exchange, etc).

A million dollar hospital stay paid for by the tax payers of South Carolina because of their refusal to get a $50 MMR vaccine.

Of course she should have gotten her kid the measles vaccine, but the article details that she took him to a local hospital when he first got sick and they did an mri that didn’t show anything and the hospital just said he needed antibiotics. The mother said he was screaming and not eating and the hospital let her take him home yet maybe suggested going to a larger hospital. But the article isn’t clear why he wasn’t medically transported to the larger hospital and released him to go home.

He didn’t get better so she took him to his pediatrician who said take him to the larger hospital. Not let’s call an ambulance and transport him. So the parents drove him.

The whole situation is bizarre. Not vaccinating but then his medical care. Why didn’t he get aggressive care when he was first hospitalized?

You know Trump has closed rural hospitals and many rural/southern hospitals have a doctor shortage because doctors with H1B work there for low pay and have been sent home by ICE.

The parents should be arrested or their wages garnished forever.

Which ones were closed?

And by Trump?

Source please.