Anonymous wrote:For those actually interested in this case vs debating elderly care:

New info indicates her pacemaker last synced with her iPhone at 2AM on Sunday. Her Apple watch was found on the charger.

A light blood trail (more indicative of what a bloody nose would produce- not massive bleeding) was found on the walkway leading from her door to the driveway.

Info from a local law enforcement source posted by reporter Michael Ruiz on X.

That narrows down the time for people to comb through their cameras.

For those actually interested in this case vs debating elderly care:

New info indicates her pacemaker last synced with her iPhone at 2AM on Sunday. Her Apple watch was found on the charger.

A light blood trail (more indicative of what a bloody nose would produce- not massive bleeding) was found on the walkway leading from her door to the driveway.

Info from a local law enforcement source posted by reporter Michael Ruiz on X.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there other adult children and family in the area? A kid living 3,000 miles away from their aging widow mom makes me so sad. She prob only saw her a handful of times a year

She was close with her mom. This was not her fault. Elderly parents are free agents. Check the Eldercare board and you will see many of us have elders who want to age in place. Check yourself.

You’re projecting because you have a guilty conscience

Do you understand you cannot force your elderly parent to move when they are of sound mind. Look into the legality before you post.

Of sound mind but can't walk 50 yds alone?

Why is this difficult? Many elderly people have physical challenges but are still mentally sound.

Also to the people implying Savannah Guthrie shouldn’t have allowed her mom to live there, that’s where Savannah is from. It is her mother’s home and she has other family and friends in the area. It’s not like Savannah is the only family and abandoned her.

I meant she may be cognitively sound, but if she can't walk well and needs assistance to be mobile, then perhaps live-in help or assisted living facility is appropriate. We sometimes have to make difficult decisions regarding elderly parent care.

Do you really not understand that you can't make someone of sound mind do what you want?

Don't waste your breath on the PP. She's a Karen who thinks she knows best. She probably forced her own parent into a home and is trying to justify her behavior.

As you said, you can't force an elderly person of sound mind into a home. I've seen it happen where the parent is coerced into a home against their will, with no one to advocate for them. The parent frequently dies quickly due to the betrayal. Though perhaps this is the same person who thinks all elderly shouldn't be allowed to live long, and this is her intent. The PP has been on a lot of threads recently going on about old people living too long.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there other adult children and family in the area? A kid living 3,000 miles away from their aging widow mom makes me so sad. She prob only saw her a handful of times a year

She was close with her mom. This was not her fault. Elderly parents are free agents. Check the Eldercare board and you will see many of us have elders who want to age in place. Check yourself.

You’re projecting because you have a guilty conscience

Do you understand you cannot force your elderly parent to move when they are of sound mind. Look into the legality before you post.

Of sound mind but can't walk 50 yds alone?

Why is this difficult? Many elderly people have physical challenges but are still mentally sound.

Also to the people implying Savannah Guthrie shouldn’t have allowed her mom to live there, that’s where Savannah is from. It is her mother’s home and she has other family and friends in the area. It’s not like Savannah is the only family and abandoned her.

I meant she may be cognitively sound, but if she can't walk well and needs assistance to be mobile, then perhaps live-in help or assisted living facility is appropriate. We sometimes have to make difficult decisions regarding elderly parent care.

Do you really not understand that you can't make someone of sound mind do what you want?

+1 That's why Florida has so many folks driving in their 80s and 90s. Fun times!

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Anonymous wrote:Are there other adult children and family in the area? A kid living 3,000 miles away from their aging widow mom makes me so sad. She prob only saw her a handful of times a year

She was close with her mom. This was not her fault. Elderly parents are free agents. Check the Eldercare board and you will see many of us have elders who want to age in place. Check yourself.

You’re projecting because you have a guilty conscience

Do you understand you cannot force your elderly parent to move when they are of sound mind. Look into the legality before you post.

Of sound mind but can't walk 50 yds alone?

Why is this difficult? Many elderly people have physical challenges but are still mentally sound.

Also to the people implying Savannah Guthrie shouldn’t have allowed her mom to live there, that’s where Savannah is from. It is her mother’s home and she has other family and friends in the area. It’s not like Savannah is the only family and abandoned her.

I meant she may be cognitively sound, but if she can't walk well and needs assistance to be mobile, then perhaps live-in help or assisted living facility is appropriate. We sometimes have to make difficult decisions regarding elderly parent care.

Do you really not understand that you can't make someone of sound mind do what you want?

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Anonymous wrote:She had security cameras so either they caught what happened, the person knew where they were and covered or avoided, or they were used against her. The risk with most cameras is someone can hack in and spy on you.

I know I'm very naive about technology, but I didn't think of camera systems being hacked. Thanks for the info.

Wifi cameras are notoriously easy to hack which means getting in and being able to see what they see and make changes, but even easier is that there are deauthing tools which cost less than $100 that make it easy to shut down cameras. These things are not rare. In my neighborhood I can drive around with a deauth detector and be amazed by how much of this is going on. Lots of middle schoolers have these things. Whenever I read online about someone's cameras constantly dropping out, I know someone around them has spent $40 on a deauthing watch.

PP here. Thanks!

Anonymous wrote:When tragedies go viral it always underscores the fact that backwater local law enforcement are all worthless morons stealing six figure compensations and driving around in $80,000 Chevy Tahoes. The only crimes they ever “solve” are Walmart shoplifters.

Wow. I'm not a lover of the popo but this post is pure bull shite. You don't know much.

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Anonymous wrote:She had security cameras so either they caught what happened, the person knew where they were and covered or avoided, or they were used against her. The risk with most cameras is someone can hack in and spy on you.

I know I'm very naive about technology, but I didn't think of camera systems being hacked. Thanks for the info.

Wifi cameras are notoriously easy to hack which means getting in and being able to see what they see and make changes, but even easier is that there are deauthing tools which cost less than $100 that make it easy to shut down cameras. These things are not rare. In my neighborhood I can drive around with a deauth detector and be amazed by how much of this is going on. Lots of middle schoolers have these things. Whenever I read online about someone's cameras constantly dropping out, I know someone around them has spent $40 on a deauthing watch.

Anonymous wrote:The police have stated there was not a ransom note.

I don’t think it is realistic that someone would want to harm her based on politics or as some sort of revenge.

This case is really strange IMO. Seems the most likely scenario is it was someone she semi knew (a service worker of some sort). Pool guy, landscaper, someone who had come to fix something or deliver something to the house. Probably assumed she had a lot of money- being Guthrie’s mother- and something went wrong or got out of hand.

Other option would be a sicko/SA. I really hope not, but there have been cases before.

If there was a ransom note it is highly unlikely that that information would be released at this point in the investigation.

I saw a news segment where it was said the perpetrator was likely someone with a “deep personal grievance” and I think that makes sense.

This lady has been portrayed as a sweet person, frequent churchgoer etc- someone who might easily be taken advantage of. While there is (obviously) nothing she could have done to warrant this type of horrible situation- it is possible she was quite prickly or confrontational in real life. Which really is not that uncommon among older people IME. Further, being the mother of such a famous person might give her more social capital and/or it might have gone to her head.

I wonder if she may have gotten into some sort of conflict (or was perceived to treat very unfairly) a service worker, church member, or someone else she came into contact with. Perhaps over a payment issue or similar. Or maybe she reported or poorly reviewed someone (a service worker or small business), causing a lot of consequences for them. Someone who was mentally unwell enough to get so angry over the situation that they snapped and wanted revenge. People are crazy these days and there is a lot of people with anger issues or untreated mental health issues.

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Anonymous wrote:When someone is of sound mind, you cannot force a caregiver into their home. Check out the Elder forum for countless examples of this. People have the right to live as they choose, and assume the risks. Even adult protective services cannot force someone who has decision-masking capacity to accept help in the home. Family members may wring their hands, but there’s nothing they can do.

We have no idea of the particulars in Savannah Guthrie’s mom’s case. Please don’t turn this into a tiresome debate about whether she has enough help in her home, or should’ve been in assisted living.

The age and health described in this thread is that of someone who needs full-time help. A frail 84 year old should not be living alone in an isolated huge house. It’s a recipe for disaster. And I guarantee the other allegedly nearby family didn’t live they close and rarely visited. The NBC gals daily phone calls to her mom from 2,500 miles away are not a substitute for in-home care she needed.

This is apparently not true in this case. Savannah's sister and her husband live 10-15 minutes away. They had taken her to dinner on Saturday night.

As far as the public knows, this crime could be anything from completely random, crazed fan all the way up to targeted political statement. I feel really bad for their family and I pray that she is found safe.

She must be able to still drive if she was expected to arrive at church and the children did not seem to be taking her that morning nor was anyone arriving to pick her up. The friends became worried when she was not at the service. Her children searched her home for one hour.

If they truly searched for one hour before alerting authorities, there couldn’t have been that much of an obvious crime scene.

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Anonymous wrote:When someone is of sound mind, you cannot force a caregiver into their home. Check out the Elder forum for countless examples of this. People have the right to live as they choose, and assume the risks. Even adult protective services cannot force someone who has decision-masking capacity to accept help in the home. Family members may wring their hands, but there’s nothing they can do.

We have no idea of the particulars in Savannah Guthrie’s mom’s case. Please don’t turn this into a tiresome debate about whether she has enough help in her home, or should’ve been in assisted living.

The age and health described in this thread is that of someone who needs full-time help. A frail 84 year old should not be living alone in an isolated huge house. It’s a recipe for disaster. And I guarantee the other allegedly nearby family didn’t live they close and rarely visited. The NBC gals daily phone calls to her mom from 2,500 miles away are not a substitute for in-home care she needed.

You’ve made it clear how you feel. Many of us disagree. I believe there’s another forum where you can discuss these issues. If you continue, I’ll go ahead and alert the moderator because you’re really trying to derail this thread and no one cares what you think of assisted living.

Anonymous wrote:When tragedies go viral it always underscores the fact that backwater local law enforcement are all worthless morons stealing six figure compensations and driving around in $80,000 Chevy Tahoes. The only crimes they ever “solve” are Walmart shoplifters.

If they don't find her within the first 48 hours it's not a good look.