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Anonymous wrote:EA apps up around 37% over last year. Big jump - dropping supplementals really did the job. Looks like ED not much of a benefit in-state but huge out of state.

It’s a cheap trick they used. My kid was thrilled to not send off a quick application, but she has no chance of getting.

No, not at all! It was in NO WAY some sort of cheap trick!!

Look, the 2 dropped supplementals were always variations on the same two themes every year:

1) tell us about your family connection to UVA (if any) or what UVA means to you personally. And

2) portions of The Grounds sit atop land which was once a slave plantation; write a reflection of what that means to you personally.

UVA was forced into dropping legacy, as they should; all public universities should drop legacy entirely from admissions consideration. Legacy is pure nepotism. And,

UVA was also under investigation for racial discrimination in admissions and hiring. It was no secret UVA discriminated against certain racial groups by judging students on the color of their skin instead of their academic merit alone. In other words, the racism known as DEIA.

The second essay prompt was pure DEIA. It had to be scrapped.

Neither supplemental essay should have ever existed in the first place.

THIS!

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Anonymous wrote:Expecting a rejection as well. In state not over 4.4 gpa. He has good rigor but 4.36 gpa

Same. In state, 4.38, lots of rigor. High test score though, but I don’t think UVA cares about test scores at all. I will report back.

Why on earth would you say that?

If you've listened to their presentations, they always say that rigor and grades across all four years is more important than the tests.

No, Dean J does not say that. She says rigor AND grades AND test scores AND ECs, etc are important. Otherwise how do you explain a 35ACT at the 75th percentile and a 34 at the median?

Yep. Listen to what they do, and not what they say.

If scores didn’t matter they would be test blind.

Correct. SCHEV doesn’t lie. They want to see a 35 ACT and/or a 1510 SAT. Dean J has to make test optional noises until UVA decides to return to testing, which the Board is considering for fall 2027.

Remember also that she’s said the same about grades. It’s all marketing. She wants your kid to apply. She knows you want to hear these statements and rely upon them.

Where do you get 1510? The median is 1470 per most recent CDS.

Right here. SCHEV. The 75th percentile, which is where the kids of most parents reading here need to hit to get into UVA. https://research.schev.edu/rdPage.aspx?enrollment&rdReport=Enrollment.B10_FreshmanProfile

1/3 of the enrolled class is test optional. The numbers are inflated.

No, those numbers are very real for the actual students who got in. That’s what they got. You want to argue that those figure would be diluted if the test optional kids had supplied their tests …. But we don’t know that because most likely those kids would never have gotten in under test-required. With UVA receiving 90,000 applications this calendar year, they will receive even more in 2027 should they elect to go test required. Of those, there will be plenty of top scoring kids for UVA to pick from. I sincerely doubt the numbers are going to dip. Especially wit only 6,000 in the class, 90,000 applications, and a push back to meritocracy

[b]The scores are inflated. With less than half of admits submitting SAT scores, today’s SAT numbers are going to skew high. When UVA was test-required (2020 CDS), the range was lower because it reflected nearly the whole class. If testing became required again, I’d expect the median to come back down because the pool would be broader.

2020 Scores
25th Percentile - 1330
75th Percentile - 1490

https://ira.virginia.edu/data-analytics/cds/2020-2021

The numbers are not inflated. Please note that every single acceptance listed here tonight is at or exceeds the SCHEV 75th percentile which is 4.5 GPA, 1510, 35 ACT. Everyone. The fact that you want to factor in some mythical lower scores represented by the test optional students is irrelevant. Students in NOVA need to aim for the 75th percentile. Please don't keep saying this because parents rely on this forum and get their hopes up when someone says to ignore SCHEV.

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Anonymous wrote:Expecting a rejection as well. In state not over 4.4 gpa. He has good rigor but 4.36 gpa

Same. In state, 4.38, lots of rigor. High test score though, but I don’t think UVA cares about test scores at all. I will report back.

Why on earth would you say that?

If you've listened to their presentations, they always say that rigor and grades across all four years is more important than the tests.

No, Dean J does not say that. She says rigor AND grades AND test scores AND ECs, etc are important. Otherwise how do you explain a 35ACT at the 75th percentile and a 34 at the median?

Yep. Listen to what they do, and not what they say.

If scores didn’t matter they would be test blind.

Correct. SCHEV doesn’t lie. They want to see a 35 ACT and/or a 1510 SAT. Dean J has to make test optional noises until UVA decides to return to testing, which the Board is considering for fall 2027.

Remember also that she’s said the same about grades. It’s all marketing. She wants your kid to apply. She knows you want to hear these statements and rely upon them.

Where do you get 1510? The median is 1470 per most recent CDS.

Right here. SCHEV. The 75th percentile, which is where the kids of most parents reading here need to hit to get into UVA. https://research.schev.edu/rdPage.aspx?enrollment&rdReport=Enrollment.B10_FreshmanProfile

1/3 of the enrolled class is test optional. The numbers are inflated.

No, those numbers are very real for the actual students who got in. That’s what they got. You want to argue that those figure would be diluted if the test optional kids had supplied their tests …. But we don’t know that because most likely those kids would never have gotten in under test-required. With UVA receiving 90,000 applications this calendar year, they will receive even more in 2027 should they elect to go test required. Of those, there will be plenty of top scoring kids for UVA to pick from. I sincerely doubt the numbers are going to dip. Especially wit only 6,000 in the class, 90,000 applications, and a push back to meritocracy

[b]The scores are inflated. With less than half of admits submitting SAT scores, today’s SAT numbers are going to skew high. When UVA was test-required (2020 CDS), the range was lower because it reflected nearly the whole class. If testing became required again, I’d expect the median to come back down because the pool would be broader.

2020 Scores
25th Percentile - 1330
75th Percentile - 1490

https://ira.virginia.edu/data-analytics/cds/2020-2021[/b]

The numbers are not inflated. Please note that every single acceptance listed here tonight is at or exceeds the SCHEV 75th percentile which is 4.5 GPA, 1510, 35 ACT. Everyone. The fact that you want to factor in some mythical lower scores represented by the test optional students is irrelevant. Students in NOVA need to aim for the 75th percentile. Please don't keep saying this because parents rely on this forum and get their hopes up when someone says to ignore SCHEV.

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know the chances with deferred?

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Anonymous wrote:DEFERRED
Top 3 private
35 ACT
unweighted 3.94 GPA
outstanding extracurriculars

OUT OF STATE
SCOIR showed 100% acceptance, but that was prior to them getting rid essays and getting an extra 11,000 applicants over last year's process....

UVA got an extra 11000 applicants this year vs. last year? Dang!! Where are they all coming from? In-state?

Guesses for OOS and in-state increase:

- generally increased interest in southern schools

- inflation / cost / trend toward public flagships over costly privates

- trend away from urban campuses

- rising reputation of UVA

- removal of supplemental essays.

Rising reputation? Please help me understand this- I thought UVA always had a great reputation and was popular

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Anonymous wrote:Rejected. OOS, top 30% at a Big3, close to max rigor. 1510 SAT, excellent ECs, extremely strong personal statement. DC expected this given the amount of apps this year. Congrats to all who were accepted!

Great stats and I am sorry about the rejection. Really shouldn't be from the stats. However, I am curious how parents evaluate "extremely strong personal statement" as that seems quite subjective to the school and their mission statement.

Anonymous wrote:Rejected. OOS, top 30% at a Big3, close to max rigor. 1510 SAT, excellent ECs, extremely strong personal statement. DC expected this given the amount of apps this year. Congrats to all who were accepted!

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Anonymous wrote:DEFERRED
Top 3 private
35 ACT
unweighted 3.94 GPA
outstanding extracurriculars

OUT OF STATE
SCOIR showed 100% acceptance, but that was prior to them getting rid essays and getting an extra 11,000 applicants over last year's process....

UVA got an extra 11000 applicants this year vs. last year? Dang!! Where are they all coming from? In-state?

Everywhere. When you have no essay, cost is the only barrier. Now it's just like Pitt or Clemson or Northeastern.

So you think an extra 11,000 applications this year, are about equally from more in-state, out-of-state and international? Was the essay optional this year (but not last year)?

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Anonymous wrote:DEFERRED
Top 3 private
35 ACT
unweighted 3.94 GPA
outstanding extracurriculars

OUT OF STATE
SCOIR showed 100% acceptance, but that was prior to them getting rid essays and getting an extra 11,000 applicants over last year's process....

UVA got an extra 11000 applicants this year vs. last year? Dang!! Where are they all coming from? In-state?

Guesses for OOS and in-state increase:

- generally increased interest in southern schools

- inflation / cost / trend toward public flagships over costly privates

- trend away from urban campuses

- rising reputation of UVA

- removal of supplemental essays.

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Anonymous wrote:DEFERRED
Top 3 private
35 ACT
unweighted 3.94 GPA
outstanding extracurriculars

OUT OF STATE
SCOIR showed 100% acceptance, but that was prior to them getting rid essays and getting an extra 11,000 applicants over last year's process....

UVA got an extra 11000 applicants this year vs. last year? Dang!! Where are they all coming from? In-state?

Guesses for OOS and in-state increase:

- generally increased interest in southern schools

- inflation / cost / trend toward public flagships over costly privates

- trend away from urban campuses

- rising reputation of UVA

- removal of supplemental essays.

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Anonymous wrote:DEFERRED
Top 3 private
35 ACT
unweighted 3.94 GPA
outstanding extracurriculars

OUT OF STATE
SCOIR showed 100% acceptance, but that was prior to them getting rid essays and getting an extra 11,000 applicants over last year's process....

UVA got an extra 11000 applicants this year vs. last year? Dang!! Where are they all coming from? In-state?

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It’s actually almost 16,000 more applicants. Mostly out of state. 13,500ish more OOS. If you don’t have to write any supplementals, why not apply? So different from when my son applied in 2022.

Appears to be a foregone conclusion the total first year applications to UVA will exceed 90K this year.