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Anonymous wrote:People are ganging up on UC’s, but if it’s a problem at UC’s then it’s a problem at most schools that recruit low-income students in a TO environment.

I work with low income students who participate in targeted college-prep programs and they uniformly have very low scores. Anything from 700-1000.

I think that’s just the reality of working with students who come from generational poverty or who are recent immigrants.

Their math abilities are likely comparable to what their test scores suggest. These kids should go to CC to get remedial education. UCs are meant to be flagships for the brightest students in the state.

These are the brightest students in some school districts, however. There are 9 undergraduate UC campuses that serve as the flagship; meanwhile, the most comparable state in population, Texas, only has 2 flagship institutions-UT and TAMU. We should expect outside of UCLA and UC Berkeley that the student quality would weaken as the best students tend to gravitate towards those two institutions and the other 7 institutions choose between valedictorians and salutatorians of weaker public schools in the state. Sadly, for DCUM, the mission of these public institutions is not to gatekeep their education from those who have suffered a worse education system but to actually bring the state together, in order to improve the state of California.

Anonymous wrote:People are ganging up on UC’s, but if it’s a problem at UC’s then it’s a problem at most schools that recruit low-income students in a TO environment.

I work with low income students who participate in targeted college-prep programs and they uniformly have very low scores. Anything from 700-1000.

I think that’s just the reality of working with students who come from generational poverty or who are recent immigrants.

Their math abilities are likely comparable to what their test scores suggest. These kids should go to CC to get remedial education. UCs are meant to be flagships for the brightest students in the state.

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Anonymous wrote:How can all this be true and yet everyone keeps telling me my kid with a B average who is in advanced math and sciences classes won’t get in anywhere for college?

Yes. I am puzzled too. This is just discouraging that my kid is shut out because of the skin color and income of the parents.

But is your kid shut out? Seriously not admitted to one UCSD-caliber school in the United States? Many such schools have admissions rates over 80% and rely heavily on SAT scores. And if you’re focused on the short list of elite privates, well, UCSD was never one of those anyway.

It's absurd, plain and simple. The standards are different by zip code, this IS discrimination based on race, plain and simple, just not the way you like to look at it.

It’s technically selection based on socioeconomics rather than income to be honest. I also think it’s a brilliant and totally legal workaround. And you can always move to a neighborhood like Compton if you want a hook. It’s about making informed choices

Your system, or rather UC's system, is working pretty good then. Nothing like UC San Diego being put on blast for having college students who add like third graders. A resounding success!

UCSD is also a lower tier UC. Compare it to an Old Dominion with smarter kids and better weather.

Other than Berkeley, UC schools are all lower tier but USNWR loves them. Wonder if this revelation will cause adjustments to next years rankings.

No, it won’t. Also, more than USNWR loves them based on the rankings and low acceptance rates at the top tier UCs.

Agreed. Between athletes, donor/celebrity kids, FGLI students, and humanities majors who apply TO/ED, there’s likely a bunch of “elite” schools where 1 in 8 students can’t do math. After all, even in a test-mandatory world, 1 in 4 students’ scores were hidden from the world.

Which "elite" schools have elementary/middle school level remedial math classes? None AFAIK.

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Anonymous wrote:How can all this be true and yet everyone keeps telling me my kid with a B average who is in advanced math and sciences classes won’t get in anywhere for college?

Yes. I am puzzled too. This is just discouraging that my kid is shut out because of the skin color and income of the parents.

But is your kid shut out? Seriously not admitted to one UCSD-caliber school in the United States? Many such schools have admissions rates over 80% and rely heavily on SAT scores. And if you’re focused on the short list of elite privates, well, UCSD was never one of those anyway.

It's absurd, plain and simple. The standards are different by zip code, this IS discrimination based on race, plain and simple, just not the way you like to look at it.

It’s technically selection based on socioeconomics rather than income to be honest. I also think it’s a brilliant and totally legal workaround. And you can always move to a neighborhood like Compton if you want a hook. It’s about making informed choices

Your system, or rather UC's system, is working pretty good then. Nothing like UC San Diego being put on blast for having college students who add like third graders. A resounding success!

UCSD is also a lower tier UC. Compare it to an Old Dominion with smarter kids and better weather.

All UCs are meant to play the role of flagship campuses. CSUs should be dealing with this, not UCs.

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Anonymous wrote:“ 4.0 in Calculus can't pass Algebra” is not supported by what you demonstrated. You can have a 4.0 in mathematics and have never taken calculus.

Only about 30% of high school students take calculus.

People here are obsessed with math but there are many degrees that don’t require calculus. Different skills for different majors.

Yeah, but passing Alg II is generally a high school requirement for graduation. So why can’t kids accepted to college do basic algebra?

California leadership wants a large, permanent, uneducated underclass. The best way to achieve this is to make sure schools create large numbers of graduates who are illiterate and can't do basic math.

This outcome described in the article means that California leadership is very successful at achieving their educational and societal goals.

Anonymous wrote:Many California high schools allow for unlimited retakes, don't punish for late work, etc. The report details that many of these students come from low-income, English-learning environments.

Even if the UC's still used SAT's they would get the same quality of applicant since they select by high school.

Can you imagine being an OOS student paying $90k a year for something like this?

This was FCPS from 2020 until this year.

Anonymous wrote:People are ganging up on UC’s, but if it’s a problem at UC’s then it’s a problem at most schools that recruit low-income students in a TO environment.

I work with low income students who participate in targeted college-prep programs and they uniformly have very low scores. Anything from 700-1000.

I think that’s just the reality of working with students who come from generational poverty or who are recent immigrants.

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People are ganging up on UC’s, but if it’s a problem at UC’s then it’s a problem at most schools that recruit low-income students in a TO environment.

I work with low income students who participate in targeted college-prep programs and they uniformly have very low scores. Anything from 700-1000.

I think that’s just the reality of working with students who come from generational poverty or who are recent immigrants.

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Anonymous wrote:How can all this be true and yet everyone keeps telling me my kid with a B average who is in advanced math and sciences classes won’t get in anywhere for college?

Yes. I am puzzled too. This is just discouraging that my kid is shut out because of the skin color and income of the parents.

But is your kid shut out? Seriously not admitted to one UCSD-caliber school in the United States? Many such schools have admissions rates over 80% and rely heavily on SAT scores. And if you’re focused on the short list of elite privates, well, UCSD was never one of those anyway.

It's absurd, plain and simple. The standards are different by zip code, this IS discrimination based on race, plain and simple, just not the way you like to look at it.

It’s technically selection based on socioeconomics rather than income to be honest. I also think it’s a brilliant and totally legal workaround. And you can always move to a neighborhood like Compton if you want a hook. It’s about making informed choices

Your system, or rather UC's system, is working pretty good then. Nothing like UC San Diego being put on blast for having college students who add like third graders. A resounding success!

UCSD is also a lower tier UC. Compare it to an Old Dominion with smarter kids and better weather.

Other than Berkeley, UC schools are all lower tier but USNWR loves them. Wonder if this revelation will cause adjustments to next years rankings.

No, it won’t. Also, more than USNWR loves them based on the rankings and low acceptance rates at the top tier UCs.

Agreed. Between athletes, donor/celebrity kids, FGLI students, and humanities majors who apply TO/ED, there’s likely a bunch of “elite” schools where 1 in 8 students can’t do math. After all, even in a test-mandatory world, 1 in 4 students’ scores were hidden from the world.

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Anonymous wrote:How can all this be true and yet everyone keeps telling me my kid with a B average who is in advanced math and sciences classes won’t get in anywhere for college?

Yes. I am puzzled too. This is just discouraging that my kid is shut out because of the skin color and income of the parents.

But is your kid shut out? Seriously not admitted to one UCSD-caliber school in the United States? Many such schools have admissions rates over 80% and rely heavily on SAT scores. And if you’re focused on the short list of elite privates, well, UCSD was never one of those anyway.

It's absurd, plain and simple. The standards are different by zip code, this IS discrimination based on race, plain and simple, just not the way you like to look at it.

It’s technically selection based on socioeconomics rather than income to be honest. I also think it’s a brilliant and totally legal workaround. And you can always move to a neighborhood like Compton if you want a hook. It’s about making informed choices

Your system, or rather UC's system, is working pretty good then. Nothing like UC San Diego being put on blast for having college students who add like third graders. A resounding success!

UCSD is also a lower tier UC. Compare it to an Old Dominion with smarter kids and better weather.

Other than Berkeley, UC schools are all lower tier but USNWR loves them. Wonder if this revelation will cause adjustments to next years rankings.

No, it won’t. Also, more than USNWR loves them based on the rankings and low acceptance rates at the top tier UCs.

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Anonymous wrote:How can all this be true and yet everyone keeps telling me my kid with a B average who is in advanced math and sciences classes won’t get in anywhere for college?

Yes. I am puzzled too. This is just discouraging that my kid is shut out because of the skin color and income of the parents.

But is your kid shut out? Seriously not admitted to one UCSD-caliber school in the United States? Many such schools have admissions rates over 80% and rely heavily on SAT scores. And if you’re focused on the short list of elite privates, well, UCSD was never one of those anyway.

It's absurd, plain and simple. The standards are different by zip code, this IS discrimination based on race, plain and simple, just not the way you like to look at it.

It’s technically selection based on socioeconomics rather than income to be honest. I also think it’s a brilliant and totally legal workaround. And you can always move to a neighborhood like Compton if you want a hook. It’s about making informed choices

Your system, or rather UC's system, is working pretty good then. Nothing like UC San Diego being put on blast for having college students who add like third graders. A resounding success!

UCSD is also a lower tier UC. Compare it to an Old Dominion with smarter kids and better weather.

Other than Berkeley, UC schools are all lower tier but USNWR loves them. Wonder if this revelation will cause adjustments to next years rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:How can all this be true and yet everyone keeps telling me my kid with a B average who is in advanced math and sciences classes won’t get in anywhere for college?

Yes. I am puzzled too. This is just discouraging that my kid is shut out because of the skin color and income of the parents.

But is your kid shut out? Seriously not admitted to one UCSD-caliber school in the United States? Many such schools have admissions rates over 80% and rely heavily on SAT scores. And if you’re focused on the short list of elite privates, well, UCSD was never one of those anyway.

It's absurd, plain and simple. The standards are different by zip code, this IS discrimination based on race, plain and simple, just not the way you like to look at it.

It’s technically selection based on socioeconomics rather than income to be honest. I also think it’s a brilliant and totally legal workaround. And you can always move to a neighborhood like Compton if you want a hook. It’s about making informed choices

Your system, or rather UC's system, is working pretty good then. Nothing like UC San Diego being put on blast for having college students who add like third graders. A resounding success!

I have just two questions: 1) does this article refer to UCLA or UCB math skills being subpar and 2) does UVA or other state colleges offer remedial math? Having a couple of kids get admitted with weak math skills doesn’t mean the school is unsuccessful.

It was 665 students, 1 in 8 students, not just a couple. Moreover the number of students performing at an elementary school level exploded 30 fold in the last five years.

You do realize that 25% of these remedial math students couldn't do third grade math?

Institutional suicide.

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Anonymous wrote:How can all this be true and yet everyone keeps telling me my kid with a B average who is in advanced math and sciences classes won’t get in anywhere for college?

Yes. I am puzzled too. This is just discouraging that my kid is shut out because of the skin color and income of the parents.

But is your kid shut out? Seriously not admitted to one UCSD-caliber school in the United States? Many such schools have admissions rates over 80% and rely heavily on SAT scores. And if you’re focused on the short list of elite privates, well, UCSD was never one of those anyway.

It's absurd, plain and simple. The standards are different by zip code, this IS discrimination based on race, plain and simple, just not the way you like to look at it.

It’s technically selection based on socioeconomics rather than income to be honest. I also think it’s a brilliant and totally legal workaround. And you can always move to a neighborhood like Compton if you want a hook. It’s about making informed choices

Your system, or rather UC's system, is working pretty good then. Nothing like UC San Diego being put on blast for having college students who add like third graders. A resounding success!

It's really a joke, isn't it? It's playing at college when it's really high school 2.0. The biggest joke is on the low performing kid, and then the high performing kids with the same UCSD degree as his "peers."Horrible all around. This is not normal, it's truly delusional, no? Definition of insanity?

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Anonymous wrote:How can all this be true and yet everyone keeps telling me my kid with a B average who is in advanced math and sciences classes won’t get in anywhere for college?

Yes. I am puzzled too. This is just discouraging that my kid is shut out because of the skin color and income of the parents.

But is your kid shut out? Seriously not admitted to one UCSD-caliber school in the United States? Many such schools have admissions rates over 80% and rely heavily on SAT scores. And if you’re focused on the short list of elite privates, well, UCSD was never one of those anyway.

Shut out of top 20 and UVA, despite 1550. Luckily UIUC came through!!

That app obviously hs other issues that you aren’t mentioning.

Because DC was from TJ!!

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Anonymous wrote:How can all this be true and yet everyone keeps telling me my kid with a B average who is in advanced math and sciences classes won’t get in anywhere for college?

Yes. I am puzzled too. This is just discouraging that my kid is shut out because of the skin color and income of the parents.

But is your kid shut out? Seriously not admitted to one UCSD-caliber school in the United States? Many such schools have admissions rates over 80% and rely heavily on SAT scores. And if you’re focused on the short list of elite privates, well, UCSD was never one of those anyway.

It's absurd, plain and simple. The standards are different by zip code, this IS discrimination based on race, plain and simple, just not the way you like to look at it.

It’s technically selection based on socioeconomics rather than income to be honest. I also think it’s a brilliant and totally legal workaround. And you can always move to a neighborhood like Compton if you want a hook. It’s about making informed choices

Your system, or rather UC's system, is working pretty good then. Nothing like UC San Diego being put on blast for having college students who add like third graders. A resounding success!

UCSD is also a lower tier UC. Compare it to an Old Dominion with smarter kids and better weather.