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A co-worker has a daughter with severe special needs. She has 8 specialists. It's a constant battle to keep her safe and alive.

If it’s a constant battle, is keeping her alive doing more harm than good?

You should be banned. Feeling emboldened now, but wishing you your own personal battle in the near future.

It was a question, and a valid one because it goes to the heart of the issues being debated. This bill is making it harder for all kinds of people to obtain healthcare, and it was created and passed by people who are supposedly representing the American people. So what values do we have as a society? Who do we think deserves healthcare access? If we disagree with what our representatives are doing, what are we doing about it? Are people in fact disagreeing with what’s going on?

I would guess that the majority of people who voted for republican reps don’t really know what’s in the bill. Or they believe lies that it’s only affecting people who were cheating to get Medicaid, or illegal immigrants, etc.
The last election showed that people who are more engaged in politics voted for Democrats overall. People who understand are not for this bill. Even many of the republican reps don’t like it but somehow they’re afraid of Trump.

Or they DGAF. They choose ignorance.

And democracy can’t work if no one cares.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol

We were at our neighbors house last weekend and talked about this. They are Christian and voted for Trump. We aren’t and didn’t. They don’t like everything he’s doing.

I would say they do care. They are heavily involved with helping people and are in a big organization of like minded people who help people. They put their money where their mouth is both literally and figuratively. They did express that they don’t believe that the government does a good job of helping people and we all should be helping people.

I disagree that all people who voted for Trump are ghouls or cruel or are morally bankrupt.

Anonymous wrote:Seems like most people on DCUM will be benefiting from this bill, which is why it passed.

Medicaid covers 41% of all births in the United States, nearly half of children with special health care needs, 5 in 8 nursing home residents, 29% of non-elderly adults with any mental illness, and 40% of non-elderly adults with HIV. Medicaid pays Medicare premiums and often provides wraparound coverage for services not covered by Medicare (like most long-term care) for nearly 1 in 5 Medicare beneficiaries (13 million). Medicaid is a key source of coverage for individuals experiencing homelessness and those transitioning out of carceral settings, particularly in states that have adopted the Medicaid expansion.

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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.

Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.

Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.

Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.

Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.

It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.

I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.

I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

Most non child, non elderly people on medicaid DO ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/understanding-the-intersection-of-medicaid-and-work-an-update/

+1000 guys most people who aren’t children and aren’t elderly and are on Medicaid already have jobs. That is what the data says!

Please know all of this is to make you continue on with the narrative that people are somehow abusing this system (when the data doesn’t support that) so we need to make it harder on them when really, it just makes it harder on them (when they were already working in the first place) so they lose coverage which then makes them less healthy and guess what everyone - WE ALL PAY. Which by the way, isn’t the most important part but if that is what you care about I will say it again, we all end up paying way more for then just actually making sure people can access some basic dang healthcare while getting paid minimum wage and not making them jump through 1500 hoops every 3 months to do it.

Ideally you would also care that the person not lose their healthcare not just because you might ultimately pay for it but because it means others suffer. Children, humans, your neighbors. People who serve you, clean you cars, wipe down your tables and clean the bits of foods your kids drop after you eat at restaurants, wash your dishes at those restaurants. Check you out at CVS. Then go home and make their kid dinner. They are people just like you.

Yup! Most don't seem to understand that we all pay if people don't have decent, affordable healthcare. If it's $200 to go to Urgent care, they don't. they wait until extremely sick and go to the ER and what could have been an UC visit and an antibiotic prescription is now 3-4 days in the hospital with pneumonia or worse. And they still cannot pay for that $30K+ hospital bill, so now who pays? We all do over time as prices are increased to cover those who cannot pay. It's been that way for decades.
We need Universal Healthcare for everyone, with the options to purchase more care if you desire.

Need to amend the bill to keep people without insurance out of the ER.

Doctors can’t refuse care, it’s an oath.

False. Hospital emergency rooms cannot refuse emergency care, by law. No other health provider is required to provide any type of care to anyone.

I just found out that almost all the doctors in my area don’t accept Medicare. I had no idea that even happened.

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A co-worker has a daughter with severe special needs. She has 8 specialists. It's a constant battle to keep her safe and alive.

If it’s a constant battle, is keeping her alive doing more harm than good?

You should be banned. Feeling emboldened now, but wishing you your own personal battle in the near future.

It was a question, and a valid one because it goes to the heart of the issues being debated. This bill is making it harder for all kinds of people to obtain healthcare, and it was created and passed by people who are supposedly representing the American people. So what values do we have as a society? Who do we think deserves healthcare access? If we disagree with what our representatives are doing, what are we doing about it? Are people in fact disagreeing with what’s going on?

I would guess that the majority of people who voted for republican reps don’t really know what’s in the bill. Or they believe lies that it’s only affecting people who were cheating to get Medicaid, or illegal immigrants, etc.
The last election showed that people who are more engaged in politics voted for Democrats overall. People who understand are not for this bill. Even many of the republican reps don’t like it but somehow they’re afraid of Trump.

Then this is a failed system, isn’t it? How does a democracy work if people don’t know what their reps are voting for, and their reps are not voting for what their constituents want because they are afraid of the President?

Yup. Clearly, it’s not working.

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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.

Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.

Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.

Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.

Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.

It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

I really don’t see how you can criticize a work requirement for able bodied Americans to receive Medicaid. This doesn’t sound unreasonable and even in model liberal societies it’s a requirement to work.

The noise and hysteria over this is a problem because it causes confusion and then the legit issues and grievances by this admin are overshadowed.

The bill cuts $1trillion from Medicaid. The cuts go far, far beyond work requirements— those account for about $300 billion of the $1 trillion. Those cuts will harm not just poor people, but deeply affect doctors, hospitals, nursing homes, and every other provider who is actually taking care of patients every day.
As to work requirements, of course they seem like a good idea. In reality, most people on Medicaid already work. So why the concern, and why the projection that the law will cut $320 billion as a result of the work requirements? Because the administration of those requirements means many people who should qualify don’t. The system goes down during the one day you actually have off to put in your hours. The library is closed the day you have off, and since you are poor, you don’t have a computer, so need to use the library to do it. Your manager decides business is slow, and cuts your hours unexpectedly, and you can’t scramble fast enough to get enough hours to stay qualified that month. You get the flu and stay home from work to avoid infecting colleagues and the public, so your boss fires you, so you lose coverage. You live in a state that decides it wants to make it as hard as possible for you to meet those requirements so sets up new requirements, new forms, new websites, every few months so that you spend more time trying to keep up with the reporting requirements than you spent actually working. There are SO many ways a person working her a$d off, trying very hard to comply, will find herself without coverage. And get sick, so she can’t really work, which makes the problem worse. It’s like an actual death spiral brought about by your seemingly innocuous appeal to “reasonable”.

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Anonymous wrote:

A co-worker has a daughter with severe special needs. She has 8 specialists. It's a constant battle to keep her safe and alive.

If it’s a constant battle, is keeping her alive doing more harm than good?

You should be banned. Feeling emboldened now, but wishing you your own personal battle in the near future.

It was a question, and a valid one because it goes to the heart of the issues being debated. This bill is making it harder for all kinds of people to obtain healthcare, and it was created and passed by people who are supposedly representing the American people. So what values do we have as a society? Who do we think deserves healthcare access? If we disagree with what our representatives are doing, what are we doing about it? Are people in fact disagreeing with what’s going on?

I would guess that the majority of people who voted for republican reps don’t really know what’s in the bill. Or they believe lies that it’s only affecting people who were cheating to get Medicaid, or illegal immigrants, etc.
The last election showed that people who are more engaged in politics voted for Democrats overall. People who understand are not for this bill. Even many of the republican reps don’t like it but somehow they’re afraid of Trump.

Then this is a failed system, isn’t it? How does a democracy work if people don’t know what their reps are voting for, and their reps are not voting for what their constituents want because they are afraid of the President?

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Anonymous wrote:

A co-worker has a daughter with severe special needs. She has 8 specialists. It's a constant battle to keep her safe and alive.

If it’s a constant battle, is keeping her alive doing more harm than good?

You should be banned. Feeling emboldened now, but wishing you your own personal battle in the near future.

It was a question, and a valid one because it goes to the heart of the issues being debated. This bill is making it harder for all kinds of people to obtain healthcare, and it was created and passed by people who are supposedly representing the American people. So what values do we have as a society? Who do we think deserves healthcare access? If we disagree with what our representatives are doing, what are we doing about it? Are people in fact disagreeing with what’s going on?

I would guess that the majority of people who voted for republican reps don’t really know what’s in the bill. Or they believe lies that it’s only affecting people who were cheating to get Medicaid, or illegal immigrants, etc.
The last election showed that people who are more engaged in politics voted for Democrats overall. People who understand are not for this bill. Even many of the republican reps don’t like it but somehow they’re afraid of Trump.

Or they DGAF. They choose ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:

A co-worker has a daughter with severe special needs. She has 8 specialists. It's a constant battle to keep her safe and alive.

If it’s a constant battle, is keeping her alive doing more harm than good?

You should be banned. Feeling emboldened now, but wishing you your own personal battle in the near future.

It was a question, and a valid one because it goes to the heart of the issues being debated. This bill is making it harder for all kinds of people to obtain healthcare, and it was created and passed by people who are supposedly representing the American people. So what values do we have as a society? Who do we think deserves healthcare access? If we disagree with what our representatives are doing, what are we doing about it? Are people in fact disagreeing with what’s going on?

I would guess that the majority of people who voted for republican reps don’t really know what’s in the bill. Or they believe lies that it’s only affecting people who were cheating to get Medicaid, or illegal immigrants, etc.
The last election showed that people who are more engaged in politics voted for Democrats overall. People who understand are not for this bill. Even many of the republican reps don’t like it but somehow they’re afraid of Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:

A co-worker has a daughter with severe special needs. She has 8 specialists. It's a constant battle to keep her safe and alive.

If it’s a constant battle, is keeping her alive doing more harm than good?

You should be banned. Feeling emboldened now, but wishing you your own personal battle in the near future.

It was a question, and a valid one because it goes to the heart of the issues being debated. This bill is making it harder for all kinds of people to obtain healthcare, and it was created and passed by people who are supposedly representing the American people. So what values do we have as a society? Who do we think deserves healthcare access? If we disagree with what our representatives are doing, what are we doing about it? Are people in fact disagreeing with what’s going on?

I would guess that the majority of people who voted for republican reps don’t really know what’s in the bill. Or they believe lies that it’s only affecting people who were cheating to get Medicaid, or illegal immigrants, etc.
The last election showed that people who are more engaged in politics voted for Democrats overall. People who understand are not for this bill. Even many of the republican reps don’t like it but somehow they’re afraid of Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol

We were at our neighbors house last weekend and talked about this. They are Christian and voted for Trump. We aren’t and didn’t. They don’t like everything he’s doing.

I would say they do care. They are heavily involved with helping people and are in a big organization of like minded people who help people. They put their money where their mouth is both literally and figuratively. They did express that they don’t believe that the government does a good job of helping people and we all should be helping people.

I disagree that all people who voted for Trump are ghouls or cruel or are morally bankrupt.

+1. The bill allows people to give more money to the organizations that are actually doing good, rather than sending it to government that will only waste it.

Right. Will the billionaires now contribute their entire tax savings to charity? lol.

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A co-worker has a daughter with severe special needs. She has 8 specialists. It's a constant battle to keep her safe and alive.

If it’s a constant battle, is keeping her alive doing more harm than good?

You should be banned. Feeling emboldened now, but wishing you your own personal battle in the near future.

It was a question, and a valid one because it goes to the heart of the issues being debated. This bill is making it harder for all kinds of people to obtain healthcare, and it was created and passed by people who are supposedly representing the American people. So what values do we have as a society? Who do we think deserves healthcare access? If we disagree with what our representatives are doing, what are we doing about it? Are people in fact disagreeing with what’s going on?

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol

We were at our neighbors house last weekend and talked about this. They are Christian and voted for Trump. We aren’t and didn’t. They don’t like everything he’s doing.

I would say they do care. They are heavily involved with helping people and are in a big organization of like minded people who help people. They put their money where their mouth is both literally and figuratively. They did express that they don’t believe that the government does a good job of helping people and we all should be helping people.

I disagree that all people who voted for Trump are ghouls or cruel or are morally bankrupt.

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Anonymous wrote:My autistic sibling who can't work is on Medicaid and so I'm very worried about that.

How does this bill define disability and who has to work to receive $$? I work in a field that assists many disabled adults in group homes. Medicaid and SSi pays for a lot of this- aides, specialty medical items, and health care. No, they cannot go to work. Many are developmentally and cognitively impaired in so many ways. They are 21 to age 75. What will happen to them?

Nearest living relative will be forced to care for them.