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Post 01/29/2025 22:55     Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?





Anonymous
Post 01/29/2025 22:55     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:This is why I’m a hard pass on tourism helicopters. Even the military pilots aren’t safe!


Tourist helicopters crash all the time, you are smart.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2025 22:54     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
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Anonymous wrote:There are no confirmed survivors at present.


They were reporting 4 survivors earlier


I hear them mention "four" something on the scanner several times.


4 crew and maybe 4 bodies pulled, not survivors
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2025 22:54     Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
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I would think they’d need to rule out the possibility that someone on the helicopter commandeered it.


From the video it looks like it was done on purpose. How could they not see the lights of the plane.



You know things are moving really fast up there, right? Seconds.


You can see the helicopter approaching it for seconds and the news is reporting that the tower asked the helicopter if they see the plane and they got no answer.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2025 22:54     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:In the video of it, it almost looks like the helicopter was heading into the plane on purpose? I'm sure that's not the case, but it just looks so blatant.


From the audio of the ATC, the plane may have been in the blind spot of the helicopter? That seems to be what they are saying, that the helicopter may not have seen the plane. I am not an aviation person and don't know much about any of this.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2025 22:54     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Apparently, an autonomous BlackHawk may be a thing.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2025 22:54     Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
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I would think they’d need to rule out the possibility that someone on the helicopter commandeered it.


From the video it looks like it was done on purpose. How could they not see the lights of the plane.



You know things are moving really fast up there, right? Seconds.


Thank you, I wasn't aware.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2025 22:54     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
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Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of the night in Jan in the 80s where the plane went into the river


Yes! I was thinking the same thing. There was another tragedy around ‘74 or ‘75.


Air Florida 90. Crash happened at 4 PM but the rescue went into the night.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Florida_Flight_90

The lessons learned from that are why it takes a long time to deice planes.

Also the 14th Street bridge is named after Arland Williams, who survived the crash but kept passing the rescue lines to others ahead of him, and died.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2025 22:54     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
Anonymous wrote:I pray it was instantaneous for the victims.


I don't think so. This isn't a powerful bomb situation. There was a small explosion/fire at the collision site, the plane probably broke in two on impact with the water. People must have been injured and/or stunned, because it all happened in a few seconds, since the plane had lowered to land. And then the water was very cold, which prolongs the stunning. Not instantaneous... but not the worst.

Sorry to be morbid.


Anonymous
Post 01/29/2025 22:53     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
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Anonymous wrote:My vote is incompetence. Not intentional.


How does an incompetent person in the military get placed in a position to operate a significant military asset like a Blackhawk helicopter in sensitive airspace like that area of the Potomac near the seat of government and the DCA approach path? They're supposed to be the best of the best. This isn't like that amateur moron who flew his Cessna into a power line and blacked out half of MoCo a few years ago. This is supposedly a skilled military pilot of a VIP helicopter! If "incompetence" is the answer, I shudder to think what the question is.


Human error? We all make mistakes. Also coils be instrument failure. We have no idea yet.


Agree with this. There are hundreds of planes and helicopters going through there every day. At some point, there’s bound to be human error. Something could have even happened to the pilot like a medical problem, or they could be extremely sleep deprived, who knows.

I’m not in DC so I’m curious - are helicopters crossing the paths of planes taking off/landing? That seems extremely dangerous. If there are a lot of helicopters, the airport shouldn’t be so close.


There is a military base just across the river from DCA. Military helos are extremely common near the airport.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2025 22:53     Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
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I would think they’d need to rule out the possibility that someone on the helicopter commandeered it.


From the video it looks like it was done on purpose. How could they not see the lights of the plane.


I just wrote exactly the same thing before I read your post. It looked so deliberate!
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2025 22:53     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
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Anonymous wrote:My vote is incompetence. Not intentional.


How does an incompetent person in the military get placed in a position to operate a significant military asset like a Blackhawk helicopter in sensitive airspace like that area of the Potomac near the seat of government and the DCA approach path? They're supposed to be the best of the best. This isn't like that amateur moron who flew his Cessna into a power line and blacked out half of MoCo a few years ago. This is supposedly a skilled military pilot of a VIP helicopter! If "incompetence" is the answer, I shudder to think what the question is.


Human error? We all make mistakes. Also coils be instrument failure. We have no idea yet.


Agree with this. There are hundreds of planes and helicopters going through there every day. At some point, there’s bound to be human error. Something could have even happened to the pilot like a medical problem, or they could be extremely sleep deprived, who knows.

I’m not in DC so I’m curious - are helicopters crossing the paths of planes taking off/landing? That seems extremely dangerous. If there are a lot of helicopters, the airport shouldn’t be so close.


Helicopters should go around. Planes take priority and the airport isn’t going anywhere.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2025 22:53     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
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Anonymous wrote:My vote is incompetence. Not intentional.


How does an incompetent person in the military get placed in a position to operate a significant military asset like a Blackhawk helicopter in sensitive airspace like that area of the Potomac near the seat of government and the DCA approach path? They're supposed to be the best of the best. This isn't like that amateur moron who flew his Cessna into a power line and blacked out half of MoCo a few years ago. This is supposedly a skilled military pilot of a VIP helicopter! If "incompetence" is the answer, I shudder to think what the question is.


Human error? We all make mistakes. Also coils be instrument failure. We have no idea yet.


Agree with this. There are hundreds of planes and helicopters going through there every day. At some point, there’s bound to be human error. Something could have even happened to the pilot like a medical problem, or they could be extremely sleep deprived, who knows.

I’m not in DC so I’m curious - are helicopters crossing the paths of planes taking off/landing? That seems extremely dangerous. If there are a lot of helicopters, the airport shouldn’t be so close.


Yes tons of helicopters always flying around. Mostly military. They fly low. The issue here was that the plane was also very low as it was about to land.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2025 22:53     Subject: Re:Plane crash DCA?
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I would think they’d need to rule out the possibility that someone on the helicopter commandeered it.


From the video it looks like it was done on purpose. How could they not see the lights of the plane.



You know things are moving really fast up there, right? Seconds.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2025 22:53     Subject: Plane crash DCA?
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Anonymous wrote:There’s audio from the ATC telling the helicopter to get distance from the plane.


I've listened to it. Then, you hear the ATC scream.

Can I have a link or a idea of where to find this?