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Anonymous wrote:It is absolutely fascinating to see how an unelected rich South African can simply shut down the US government with a few tweets. And I marvel at how enthusiastic Republicans are in their devotion to this rich South African. In Congress, Republicans are tripping over themselves to give this wealthy foreigner more and more power. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. Maybe Rasputin in 1917?

Please, explain how the tweets did anything?

Elon has 200 million twitter followers, a big chunk of whom are MAGA types. Yesterday, Elon began tweeting incessantly for hours complaining about the CR, describing it as "criminal," and threatening to primary any republican who voted for it. He also urged his followers to contact their reps and demand they vote against the CR. He tweeted at least 50-100 times about it over the course of a few hours.

Anonymous wrote:It is absolutely fascinating to see how an unelected rich South African can simply shut down the US government with a few tweets. And I marvel at how enthusiastic Republicans are in their devotion to this rich South African. In Congress, Republicans are tripping over themselves to give this wealthy foreigner more and more power. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. Maybe Rasputin in 1917?

It is clear nobody is coming to save us.

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Anonymous wrote:This is completely insane. There was bipartisan agreement on a CR. And freaking Musk blows it up? Who the hell is he to even get involved? If this is a sign of how things are going to go - we are F*cked.

Predictably, the MAGAs are calling for Musk to become speaker. They know the constitution won't allow him to be president, right? Or is that when the suspend the constitution?

Seriously. Musk has an overinflated ego and no qualifications whatsoever to have a say on public policy matters. The sooner he pisses off Trump the better.

+1 More of this please

Doesn’t matter what they say behind closed doors, looks like they’re lining up like good soldiers.

Isn't it emasculating to have to pander to the great unwashed every two years, only to have absolutely no say in how you exercise power?

You’d think, but that’s a question for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait Trump promised to eliminate the national debt, why does he want to eliminate the debt ceiling instead?

We should get rid of the debt ceiling. It's a dumb thing and only causes problems.

However, two days before appropriations run out is not the time to get rid of it. SMH

Exactly. It's super annoying/disappointing that the dems didn't raise the debt ceiling to 1 google dollars or something when they could have. That said, the debt ceiling right now is a total red herring. Elon/Trump clearly want chaos and a shut down, and they would have chosen whatever random item to do it.

Elon might, but Trump doesn't. He has nothing to gain from a shutdown and a lot to lose. Does he really want to force a shutdown that will cripple airports and leave military/LEOs unpaid the week of Christmas? And undercut preparation for the inauguration? He doesn't want to take office and have to spend his first days in office brokering a deal to end a shutdown.

A war on Christmas courtesy of the GOP inspired at the urging of a SA billionaire. Wild stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:It is absolutely fascinating to see how an unelected rich South African can simply shut down the US government with a few tweets. And I marvel at how enthusiastic Republicans are in their devotion to this rich South African. In Congress, Republicans are tripping over themselves to give this wealthy foreigner more and more power. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. Maybe Rasputin in 1917?

Please, explain how the tweets did anything?

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He threatened different House members with being primaried if they didn't support him/the closure

Anonymous wrote:It is absolutely fascinating to see how an unelected rich South African can simply shut down the US government with a few tweets. And I marvel at how enthusiastic Republicans are in their devotion to this rich South African. In Congress, Republicans are tripping over themselves to give this wealthy foreigner more and more power. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. Maybe Rasputin in 1917?

Please, explain how the tweets did anything?

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Anonymous wrote:Wait Trump promised to eliminate the national debt, why does he want to eliminate the debt ceiling instead?

We should get rid of the debt ceiling. It's a dumb thing and only causes problems.

However, two days before appropriations run out is not the time to get rid of it. SMH

Exactly. It's super annoying/disappointing that the dems didn't raise the debt ceiling to 1 google dollars or something when they could have. That said, the debt ceiling right now is a total red herring. Elon/Trump clearly want chaos and a shut down, and they would have chosen whatever random item to do it.

Elon might, but Trump doesn't. He has nothing to gain from a shutdown and a lot to lose. Does he really want to force a shutdown that will cripple airports and leave military/LEOs unpaid the week of Christmas? And undercut preparation for the inauguration? He doesn't want to take office and have to spend his first days in office brokering a deal to end a shutdown.

Elon is the one who blew up the deal. Trump just followed along like a good little doge.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand why they don't let Trump take office now- He wants to- ELon wants too0- WHY NOT let Biden retire and let Trump take over now>

Well, we have this silly little thing called a constitution which would not allow for this....

This is what we’re in for the next 4 years. A party run by and elected by people who think the constitution comes secondary to whatever they want to achieve.

Godspeed to America.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait Trump promised to eliminate the national debt, why does he want to eliminate the debt ceiling instead?

We should get rid of the debt ceiling. It's a dumb thing and only causes problems.

However, two days before appropriations run out is not the time to get rid of it. SMH

Exactly. It's super annoying/disappointing that the dems didn't raise the debt ceiling to 1 google dollars or something when they could have. That said, the debt ceiling right now is a total red herring. Elon/Trump clearly want chaos and a shut down, and they would have chosen whatever random item to do it.

Elon might, but Trump doesn't. He has nothing to gain from a shutdown and a lot to lose. Does he really want to force a shutdown that will cripple airports and leave military/LEOs unpaid the week of Christmas? And undercut preparation for the inauguration? He doesn't want to take office and have to spend his first days in office brokering a deal to end a shutdown.

Its ironic because the concept of a debt ceiling came from the GOP.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait Trump promised to eliminate the national debt, why does he want to eliminate the debt ceiling instead?

We should get rid of the debt ceiling. It's a dumb thing and only causes problems.

However, two days before appropriations run out is not the time to get rid of it. SMH

Exactly. It's super annoying/disappointing that the dems didn't raise the debt ceiling to 1 google dollars or something when they could have. That said, the debt ceiling right now is a total red herring. Elon/Trump clearly want chaos and a shut down, and they would have chosen whatever random item to do it.

It is absolutely fascinating to see how an unelected rich South African can simply shut down the US government with a few tweets. And I marvel at how enthusiastic Republicans are in their devotion to this rich South African. In Congress, Republicans are tripping over themselves to give this wealthy foreigner more and more power. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. Maybe Rasputin in 1917?

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Anonymous wrote:This is completely insane. There was bipartisan agreement on a CR. And freaking Musk blows it up? Who the hell is he to even get involved? If this is a sign of how things are going to go - we are F*cked.

Predictably, the MAGAs are calling for Musk to become speaker. They know the constitution won't allow him to be president, right? Or is that when the suspend the constitution?

Seriously. Musk has an overinflated ego and no qualifications whatsoever to have a say on public policy matters. The sooner he pisses off Trump the better.

+1 More of this please

This is actually pretty dumb, both substantively and strategically.

Why?

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Anonymous wrote:There's still two days. Any predictions?

Something will pass by Friday because Congress wants to go home. They will find an excuse to give Trump the middle finger and Trump will accept it because his a weak, lame duck and Musk will Xhit some lies and we'll all move on.

I doubt it. Trump shut the government down right before Christmas in 2018 for 5 weeks. He isn’t even President yet, and somehow these fools are letting him run the show. How is that going to look in the history books? “The GOP followed the President-ELECT’s lead and shut down the government for…. Costing the government $XX… “ It’s so stupid.

Trump will say "it happened under Biden" and his idiot followers with a 5th grade education will cheer it on.

Then President Doge will convince Rs in Congress to raise the debt ceiling to bankrupt the country like every Trump company, and his idiot followers will cheer him on.

And why isn’t Biden saying anything now?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/12/18/statement-from-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-on-republicans-threatening-a-government-shutdown/

It is titled: “ Statement from Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre” and includes no statements or messages attributed to the President. I think we are now at the Weekend at Bernies point of the Biden administration.

Biden respects the separation of powers.

This is a legislative matter at this point.

It should be a legislative matter, but for some reason a bunch of the Republican legislators are taking their orders from an unelected billionaire playing bureaucrat.

Not sure why this is happening, but pretty sure money and kompromat are involved.

I firmly believe that Trump spent years gathering info on as many republican politicians as possible and has been blackmailing them all along.

When will you get it through your thick brain that Republicans are bending the knee WILLINGLY? There is no kompromat. They are craven power hungry people who have no moral backbone. They are beyond shame. It's all a game for them. Maybe a few are cowards. But there is no blackmail because they don't care about governing.

How controversial for Republicans to give deference to the Republican President-elect. It’s unprecedented and extraordinary.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait Trump promised to eliminate the national debt, why does he want to eliminate the debt ceiling instead?

Because more federal money can go to the billionaire class. He’s going to break every promise, except for getting 62 trans athletes off the fields.

and eliminating spring/fall time changes