How does go fund me decide who is eligible for fundraiser vs not ? I’m just curious since Daniel penny was eligible but Mangione is not? Or did penny use a different crowdfund website? Seems like they are getting into presumption of innocence trouble.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing we can definitely blame health insurance CEOs for is not covering mental health and allowing the sort of crazy shit made obvious in this thread to proliferate. So many people suffering mental health issues and it’s coming through plenty right here.

What is crazy is I think both parties (the people, not necessarily the politicians themselves) want better mental healthcare in this country. For themselves and their family, but also for all the ill people out there who are a danger to society. How many times do we hear about all the red flags before someone shoot someone (possibly even in the case of Luigi). There is essentially unanimous support for greater mental healthcare access, but we can’t get that passed because why? Shareholders?

There aren’t enough mental health providers nor enough seats at med schools to train them or many of the other providers needed. Ask the AMA why they pushed to have this be so. Finally MH providers need a cultural context that is absent in providers abroad which makes them something that must be home grown.

Anonymous wrote:I would never do something like that, but I certainly don't feel bad about their deaths.

It isn't as of ordinary Americans have asked (or work hard) for a better life, for a very long time. People are tired of struggling and getting nowhere, while the rich keep getting richer.

And no, many CEO's or people in positions of power didn't get there because they "worked hard" - they got there because of privilege, connections, and putting massive greed above ethics. It's a kind of selfishness that many are personally offended by, because it affects them and their daily lives.

So I wouldn't say I support it. But I get it.

Tell me you don’t know any CEOs. Yes they are overpaid but it is a lot of work to get there and stay there.

Of course not.

But do you support gang members killing other gang members?

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Anonymous wrote:One thing we can definitely blame health insurance CEOs for is not covering mental health and allowing the sort of crazy shit made obvious in this thread to proliferate. So many people suffering mental health issues and it’s coming through plenty right here.

You can't force people to get treatment for their mental health issues. Ask them. They aren't crazy, you are.

Sure. But I know a dozen people offhand that would be happy to get treatment. Can you tell us how, please

It's unlikely they are serious. They would be prescribed pills and potions and they won't want to be "hooked" on drugs for the rest of their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing we can definitely blame health insurance CEOs for is not covering mental health and allowing the sort of crazy shit made obvious in this thread to proliferate. So many people suffering mental health issues and it’s coming through plenty right here.

What is crazy is I think both parties (the people, not necessarily the politicians themselves) want better mental healthcare in this country. For themselves and their family, but also for all the ill people out there who are a danger to society. How many times do we hear about all the red flags before someone shoot someone (possibly even in the case of Luigi). There is essentially unanimous support for greater mental healthcare access, but we can’t get that passed because why? Shareholders?

It's very difficult to force people over 18yo to get mental help. This kid here had a family with enough money to help and who cares about him, had good friends who cared too, was educated, had resources, and yet this happened. It's not to say we shouldn't have universal healthcare, we 100% should! But it doesn't solve these sorts of issues like magic.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing we can definitely blame health insurance CEOs for is not covering mental health and allowing the sort of crazy shit made obvious in this thread to proliferate. So many people suffering mental health issues and it’s coming through plenty right here.

You can't force people to get treatment for their mental health issues. Ask them. They aren't crazy, you are.

Sure. But I know a dozen people offhand that would be happy to get treatment. Can you tell us how, please

Anonymous wrote:Doctors for the most part suck in the US. Negligent, non transparent, support pill popping. Never met a good caring doctor here. I have seen doctors in my parents poorer country and they have given me their personal phone number should I have questions or need help. They have tried to help. Whereas the pricey docs here have done shoddy work or been negligent.

A doctor handing out his personal number here would never be able to sleep. Even if we had a better doctor-patient ratio, we don't have enough doctors to provide a personal on-call doctor for every single anxiety ridden "patient."

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Anonymous wrote:One thing we can definitely blame health insurance CEOs for is not covering mental health and allowing the sort of crazy shit made obvious in this thread to proliferate. So many people suffering mental health issues and it’s coming through plenty right here.

What is crazy is I think both parties (the people, not necessarily the politicians themselves) want better mental healthcare in this country. For themselves and their family, but also for all the ill people out there who are a danger to society. How many times do we hear about all the red flags before someone shoot someone (possibly even in the case of Luigi). There is essentially unanimous support for greater mental healthcare access, but we can’t get that passed because why? Shareholders?

We don't want husbands locking up their wives.

Anonymous wrote:One thing we can definitely blame health insurance CEOs for is not covering mental health and allowing the sort of crazy shit made obvious in this thread to proliferate. So many people suffering mental health issues and it’s coming through plenty right here.

You can't force people to get treatment for their mental health issues. Ask them. They aren't crazy, you are.

Anonymous wrote:One thing we can definitely blame health insurance CEOs for is not covering mental health and allowing the sort of crazy shit made obvious in this thread to proliferate. So many people suffering mental health issues and it’s coming through plenty right here.

What is crazy is I think both parties (the people, not necessarily the politicians themselves) want better mental healthcare in this country. For themselves and their family, but also for all the ill people out there who are a danger to society. How many times do we hear about all the red flags before someone shoot someone (possibly even in the case of Luigi). There is essentially unanimous support for greater mental healthcare access, but we can’t get that passed because why? Shareholders?

Anonymous wrote:One thing we can definitely blame health insurance CEOs for is not covering mental health and allowing the sort of crazy shit made obvious in this thread to proliferate. So many people suffering mental health issues and it’s coming through plenty right here.

+1. The people engaging in mental contortions to defend this greedy CEO have some issues to work through.

+1 on the mental illness in this thread.

One thing we can definitely blame health insurance CEOs for is not covering mental health and allowing the sort of crazy shit made obvious in this thread to proliferate. So many people suffering mental health issues and it’s coming through plenty right here.

I believe killing is wrong and would never celebrate this approach. That said, I also believe that death is inevitable. Insurance companies have a terrible job to do, but the fact of the matter is that sometimes we would be better off accepting that no treatment makes the most sense in the long run. I personally never want to be kept alive just because it's possible. Pain is another complex issue. I am fine with people becoming addicted if it makes their time on earth bearable. Again - it's a complicated issue. I think Americans have a very unhealthy relationship with death - it's natural and we all end up there and that's okay.