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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when the facts don't support it.

The facts say that traffic deaths, accidents, congestion, and resident dissatisfaction have all increased since this plan has been implemented.

The facts? Here's the city's stats on what it calls "speed-related fatalities." Point out for us when traffic calming started reducing speed-related deaths.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

If I were you, I would be embarrassed to keep trotting out this nonsense.

Ok, Trump, but these are the official numbers and if traffic calming actually reduces speeding related deaths, then this should not be a hard question to answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when the facts don't support it.

The facts say that traffic deaths, accidents, congestion, and resident dissatisfaction have all increased since this plan has been implemented.

The facts? Here's the city's stats on what it calls "speed-related fatalities." Point out for us when traffic calming started reducing speed-related deaths.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

If I were you, I would be embarrassed to keep trotting out this nonsense.

Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Honestly three percent seems pretty high

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when the facts don't support it.

The facts say that traffic deaths, accidents, congestion, and resident dissatisfaction have all increased since this plan has been implemented.

The facts? Here's the city's stats on what it calls "speed-related fatalities." Point out for us when traffic calming started reducing speed-related deaths.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when the facts don't support it.

The facts say that traffic deaths, accidents, congestion, and resident dissatisfaction have all increased since this plan has been implemented.

No, that's not facts, that's your opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

Exactly this. I have lived in the city for decades. I now refuse to drive anywhere in the city. And hell no, I am not taking the subway. I just hop in my car and drive to Maryland for on the weekends for dining, shopping and entertainment. It’s easier and a lot less stressful. I work in Virginia, so if I need anything on the days I go into the office, I pick it up on that side of the river while I’m over there.

Great!

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

Like most things in life, my observation is that "it depends." On a road like South Dakota Ave. that's proposed to shrink to one travel lane in each direction from two, I agree that it'll put a lot more cut-through traffic on adjacent residential streets, particularly since South Dakota Ave. links up with NY Ave./Rt. 50/BW Parkway/295. On other less-traveled roads, it can work better.

Unfortunately, a lot of the arguments over bike lanes focus on whether they're good or bad and not over whether then make sense in a particular location or not.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

Exactly this. I have lived in the city for decades. I now refuse to drive anywhere in the city. And hell no, I am not taking the subway. I just hop in my car and drive to Maryland for on the weekends for dining, shopping and entertainment. It’s easier and a lot less stressful. I work in Virginia, so if I need anything on the days I go into the office, I pick it up on that side of the river while I’m over there.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when the facts don't support it.

The facts say that traffic deaths, accidents, congestion, and resident dissatisfaction have all increased since this plan has been implemented.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when the facts don't support it.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

I dont think traffic calming works. It just moves traffic elsewhere. DDOT completely screwed up an intersection near me in the name of traffic calming, and now cars go racing through the alleys to avoid it. That seems far more dangerous.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

The Post is reading DCUM

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

Unicorns exist! We have just found the one person in the entire world who enjoys congestion.

The only way for drivers to drive less than the speed limit, and not hit people, is traffic jams? Are you a Ban Cars person?

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.

Unicorns exist! We have just found the one person in the entire world who enjoys congestion.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington Post goes after bike lanes:

"The city has built about 20 miles of bike lanes in the past five years, but despite that, the portion of D.C. residents who bike to work peaked in 2017 and has decreased each year since, falling from 5 percent to 3 percent. So who are these lanes for?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/bicycle-lanes-dc-traffic/

Bike lanes are "weapons of civic planning: They are often installed not to satisfy the barely measurable trickle of residents who pedal to work but mainly to make car traffic worse enough that people will be discouraged from driving."

Very true, and also very dumb. If you make driving miserable in one neighborhood, I'll just stop going to that neighborhood. There are lots of others to choose from.

So, to the extent that traffic calming equals "make driving miserable", traffic calming works!

Although as a driver, I actually prefer driving on traffic-calmed streets, but that's because I don't drive faster than the speed limit and also don't want to hit people.