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Anonymous wrote:No way.

Our family got the first 2 shots. The whole vaccine situation in this country was handled with clear profits in mind for pharma, trust on my end is gone. I’d rather not feed that beast every year. Plus shots made me feel worse than actual covid did (I got omicron in March 2022)

Data shows such a minimal protection and for such a short period of time. Covid was such a nothing burger for my 14 year old and my 16 yo has either never had it (or if she did, she was asymptomatic). My family is vaccinated with the required shots but none of us have ever gotten a flu shot either and my kids have gotten the flu once and I haven’t had the flu since 1999. Blah blah science but I’ve never found any real studies comparing people who never get flu shots and people who get them yearly - I feel there is something there. I still remember 2009 h1n1 and that the people who got the standard flu shot that year were more susceptible to h1n1 and that is curious to me. The covid shot is always behind the variants so think about it …

The bolded shows us who you are. The vaccines were developed quickly to save lives. You don't get to lie and act like this virus was a nothingburger. How many people died of the virus? Wait, you also believe in chem trails and Jewish space lasers controlling the weather.

These vaccines were not developed to make money. People were dying. Lots of us lost people who died due to covid and, no, they weren't all people over the age of 50.

Take your deceitful manipulations over to the politics board drumper.

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Anonymous wrote:No. We do flu shots but haven't done covid shots (for any of us) since the initial 2 shot series and then one subsequent booster. We have all gotten covid twice since then and it has been extremely mild.

The real reason, for me, that I am not excited about the covid vaccine is that covid isn't seasonal. So, with the flu shot, it only gives about 5 months of protection, but if you take it in October or November it protects you through flu season. Covid is prevalent year round and so it doesn't make sense to me to have guidance to take it with the flu shot. And getting a vaccine every 4 month (that's about the max efficacy of the covid vaccine) seems insane when the actual virus has been very mild for our family multiple times.

If they had clear guidance that made sense, I'd be more willing. But as it stands, I don't think there's a consensus within the medical community for how the vaccine should be administered, who should take it, and how frequently.

FWIW, I am a super liberal who has never voted for anyone but the bluest candidate in all elections and will continue to do so.

This is a good point. But even if Covid was seasonal, we also need to keep in mind that every medical intervention, including every vaccine, has risks. Arguably, the long-term unknowns are greater with the Covid vaccines, because of their novel technology and recency, as well as their overall worse adverse event profile compared to the flu shot. Even if the risks are very small, as I believe they are, if there is no data that proves benefit in this low-risk age group, the precautionary choice is not to get it.

That was Offit's reasoning even when making the updated booster choice for himself at age 73. Even the smallest risk isn't worth it when the benefit is non-existent or very short-lived.

I wish Offit would discuss vaccinating babies under 1.

He has:

https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/do-infants-and-young-children-need

Which puts him at odds with all other developed countries as well who are not recommending it due to the weakness of the data that cannot prove benefits outweighing risks, but it shows how pro-vaccine Offit generally is (duh). Nonetheless, he is clear that primary vaccination in immune-naive people is very different from boosters, which he generally thinks are not needed by anyone but the very elderly.

Oh thanks! I’m one of the PPs who won’t get my kid another booster, but I’d likely get an infant vaccinated. I do fully understand Offit’s stance on risk-benefit especially since he was so closely involved with a vaccine that ended up having much worse risks than anticpated (original rotavirus).

Germany does not recommend covid vaccines for babies.

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Anonymous wrote:No. We do flu shots but haven't done covid shots (for any of us) since the initial 2 shot series and then one subsequent booster. We have all gotten covid twice since then and it has been extremely mild.

The real reason, for me, that I am not excited about the covid vaccine is that covid isn't seasonal. So, with the flu shot, it only gives about 5 months of protection, but if you take it in October or November it protects you through flu season. Covid is prevalent year round and so it doesn't make sense to me to have guidance to take it with the flu shot. And getting a vaccine every 4 month (that's about the max efficacy of the covid vaccine) seems insane when the actual virus has been very mild for our family multiple times.

If they had clear guidance that made sense, I'd be more willing. But as it stands, I don't think there's a consensus within the medical community for how the vaccine should be administered, who should take it, and how frequently.

FWIW, I am a super liberal who has never voted for anyone but the bluest candidate in all elections and will continue to do so.

This is a good point. But even if Covid was seasonal, we also need to keep in mind that every medical intervention, including every vaccine, has risks. Arguably, the long-term unknowns are greater with the Covid vaccines, because of their novel technology and recency, as well as their overall worse adverse event profile compared to the flu shot. Even if the risks are very small, as I believe they are, if there is no data that proves benefit in this low-risk age group, the precautionary choice is not to get it.

That was Offit's reasoning even when making the updated booster choice for himself at age 73. Even the smallest risk isn't worth it when the benefit is non-existent or very short-lived.

I wish Offit would discuss vaccinating babies under 1.

He has:

https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/do-infants-and-young-children-need

Which puts him at odds with all other developed countries as well who are not recommending it due to the weakness of the data that cannot prove benefits outweighing risks, but it shows how pro-vaccine Offit generally is (duh). Nonetheless, he is clear that primary vaccination in immune-naive people is very different from boosters, which he generally thinks are not needed by anyone but the very elderly.

Oh thanks! I’m one of the PPs who won’t get my kid another booster, but I’d likely get an infant vaccinated. I do fully understand Offit’s stance on risk-benefit especially since he was so closely involved with a vaccine that ended up having much worse risks than anticpated (original rotavirus).

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Anonymous wrote:To pp who says he would find new pediatrician if they recommended the Covid booster - that is ridiculous. The cdc recommends it so that pediatrician would just be doing their job! Not recommended it would actually go against professional guidelines. I'd be surprised by pediatricians at least not offering the vaccine.

I’m not the PP you’re responding to and I wouldn’t switch pediatricians, even though our teen boys haven’t gotten any boosters. But their pediatrician doesn’t carry the vaccine or recommend it to kids.

I am the PP who said I would find a new pediatrician if ours were "pushing" Covid boosters on my boys. Ours did actually offer boosters to us last year, but when I said that my kids had three shots and weren't getting any more, didn't bat an eye and moved on, and didn't bring it up again at this fall's physical.

I personally don't think they should even offer them because there is no evidence that benefits outweigh the risks, but I know they probably have to due to the CDC recommendation. I would only hold it against them if they insisted and showed that they truly believed it was a good idea.

Hmmm… why do you think the CDC recommends boosters? Do you think the doctors working there are more or less qualified to make recommendations as to infectious diseases than your local pediatrician?

Why doesn't anyone every grapple with the fact that NO OTHER PEER country recommends COVID boosters for kids/teens? Are we so sure only the US gets this right (and every other country/UK/Europe etc gets it wrong)?

Most other countries recommendations have nothing whatsoever to do with vaccine “risk” to young people, which is what most of the anti-vaxxers (who don’t want to be called anti-vaxxers) are arguing in this thread. Their recommendations have to do with cost and resource allocation.

We can afford it, so we recommend it. It’s that simple.

Anonymous wrote:I’m on the fence. We had them get the first shot but not the boosters. DH is adamant they get the covid shot from now on.

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Anonymous wrote:No. We do flu shots but haven't done covid shots (for any of us) since the initial 2 shot series and then one subsequent booster. We have all gotten covid twice since then and it has been extremely mild.

The real reason, for me, that I am not excited about the covid vaccine is that covid isn't seasonal. So, with the flu shot, it only gives about 5 months of protection, but if you take it in October or November it protects you through flu season. Covid is prevalent year round and so it doesn't make sense to me to have guidance to take it with the flu shot. And getting a vaccine every 4 month (that's about the max efficacy of the covid vaccine) seems insane when the actual virus has been very mild for our family multiple times.

If they had clear guidance that made sense, I'd be more willing. But as it stands, I don't think there's a consensus within the medical community for how the vaccine should be administered, who should take it, and how frequently.

FWIW, I am a super liberal who has never voted for anyone but the bluest candidate in all elections and will continue to do so.

This is a good point. But even if Covid was seasonal, we also need to keep in mind that every medical intervention, including every vaccine, has risks. Arguably, the long-term unknowns are greater with the Covid vaccines, because of their novel technology and recency, as well as their overall worse adverse event profile compared to the flu shot. Even if the risks are very small, as I believe they are, if there is no data that proves benefit in this low-risk age group, the precautionary choice is not to get it.

That was Offit's reasoning even when making the updated booster choice for himself at age 73. Even the smallest risk isn't worth it when the benefit is non-existent or very short-lived.

I wish Offit would discuss vaccinating babies under 1.

He has:

https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/do-infants-and-young-children-need

Which puts him at odds with all other developed countries as well who are not recommending it due to the weakness of the data that cannot prove benefits outweighing risks, but it shows how pro-vaccine Offit generally is (duh). Nonetheless, he is clear that primary vaccination in immune-naive people is very different from boosters, which he generally thinks are not needed by anyone but the very elderly.

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Anonymous wrote:No. We do flu shots but haven't done covid shots (for any of us) since the initial 2 shot series and then one subsequent booster. We have all gotten covid twice since then and it has been extremely mild.

The real reason, for me, that I am not excited about the covid vaccine is that covid isn't seasonal. So, with the flu shot, it only gives about 5 months of protection, but if you take it in October or November it protects you through flu season. Covid is prevalent year round and so it doesn't make sense to me to have guidance to take it with the flu shot. And getting a vaccine every 4 month (that's about the max efficacy of the covid vaccine) seems insane when the actual virus has been very mild for our family multiple times.

If they had clear guidance that made sense, I'd be more willing. But as it stands, I don't think there's a consensus within the medical community for how the vaccine should be administered, who should take it, and how frequently.

FWIW, I am a super liberal who has never voted for anyone but the bluest candidate in all elections and will continue to do so.

This is a good point. But even if Covid was seasonal, we also need to keep in mind that every medical intervention, including every vaccine, has risks. Arguably, the long-term unknowns are greater with the Covid vaccines, because of their novel technology and recency, as well as their overall worse adverse event profile compared to the flu shot. Even if the risks are very small, as I believe they are, if there is no data that proves benefit in this low-risk age group, the precautionary choice is not to get it.

That was Offit's reasoning even when making the updated booster choice for himself at age 73. Even the smallest risk isn't worth it when the benefit is non-existent or very short-lived.

I wish Offit would discuss vaccinating babies under 1.

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Anonymous wrote:No. We do flu shots but haven't done covid shots (for any of us) since the initial 2 shot series and then one subsequent booster. We have all gotten covid twice since then and it has been extremely mild.

The real reason, for me, that I am not excited about the covid vaccine is that covid isn't seasonal. So, with the flu shot, it only gives about 5 months of protection, but if you take it in October or November it protects you through flu season. Covid is prevalent year round and so it doesn't make sense to me to have guidance to take it with the flu shot. And getting a vaccine every 4 month (that's about the max efficacy of the covid vaccine) seems insane when the actual virus has been very mild for our family multiple times.

If they had clear guidance that made sense, I'd be more willing. But as it stands, I don't think there's a consensus within the medical community for how the vaccine should be administered, who should take it, and how frequently.

FWIW, I am a super liberal who has never voted for anyone but the bluest candidate in all elections and will continue to do so.

This is a good point. But even if Covid was seasonal, we also need to keep in mind that every medical intervention, including every vaccine, has risks. Arguably, the long-term unknowns are greater with the Covid vaccines, because of their novel technology and recency, as well as their overall worse adverse event profile compared to the flu shot. Even if the risks are very small, as I believe they are, if there is no data that proves benefit in this low-risk age group, the precautionary choice is not to get it.

That was Offit's reasoning even when making the updated booster choice for himself at age 73. Even the smallest risk isn't worth it when the benefit is non-existent or very short-lived.

Anonymous wrote:No. We do flu shots but haven't done covid shots (for any of us) since the initial 2 shot series and then one subsequent booster. We have all gotten covid twice since then and it has been extremely mild.

The real reason, for me, that I am not excited about the covid vaccine is that covid isn't seasonal. So, with the flu shot, it only gives about 5 months of protection, but if you take it in October or November it protects you through flu season. Covid is prevalent year round and so it doesn't make sense to me to have guidance to take it with the flu shot. And getting a vaccine every 4 month (that's about the max efficacy of the covid vaccine) seems insane when the actual virus has been very mild for our family multiple times.

If they had clear guidance that made sense, I'd be more willing. But as it stands, I don't think there's a consensus within the medical community for how the vaccine should be administered, who should take it, and how frequently.

FWIW, I am a super liberal who has never voted for anyone but the bluest candidate in all elections and will continue to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:Hell no
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